Twitter: KDDrummond: Jerry and Stephen free agent philosophy in a nutshell

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While I agree with Stephen often saying big FA signings often don't live up to their new fat contracts. However, there are some players that you can't ignore if you have the cap-space to get them. And thats costing the cowboys big time.
 

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While I agree with Stephen often saying big FA signings often don't live up to their new fat contracts. However, there are some players that you can't ignore if you have the cap-space to get them. And thats costing the cowboys big time.
This is what irks me.

Jordan Hicks? Michael Pierce? Myles Jack? All signed for under $16 million for multiple years!

I get not wanting to pay premium 18-20 per year. But when you cannot pay 6-7 for a massive upgrade there is a problem
 

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I think it's got to a point were outside free agents don't take us serious anymore, I'm talking bout top caliber FA's, I bet in player circles they know coming to Dallas involves taking less money, and if a top FA is linked to us, it's probably cause they are using us for leverage, we are also to the point where we are struggling just to keep the players in house to stay. The day has come where we have to slap a franchise tag on a Dalton Schultz, that says alot.
 

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This thread perfectly explains why an early playoff exit is the peak for this team.

That and Jerry's insistence on undermining the entire staff and making a difficult job impossible.
 

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I think it’s pretty spot-on.

I would also add that this franchise has an inability to self-scout. We overvalue our own players and get ourselves into pickles (see Zeke’s and Jaylon’s extensions).

Somewhere 8-9 years ago the Cowboys decided they were no longer going to pay retail in free agency for good but not great players (see Brandon Carr) and instead build through the draft. That’s sounds like a solid philosophy in theory.

The problem is they put horse blinders on and refuse to believe there are actually great players to be had that are known commodities that can help improve your team NOW.
 

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While I agree with Stephen often saying big FA signings often don't live up to their new fat contracts. However, there are some players that you can't ignore if you have the cap-space to get them. And thats costing the cowboys big time.
The guys that THEY have given contracts to are some of the biggest violators.

Get paid and mail it in.
 

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I mean isn't this why you fought to keep Quinn? That he was such a good DC and was able to gaggle together our hodge podge of players last year and put forth a competent D? So you are telling me he couldn't make Wagner and Smith and Mathieu work?

It's mind numbing how our front office works.

They want (insist) Quinn work with whatever they the front office gives him,.. however they see fit per their philosophy.

oh they will work and tune into the player(s) Quinn covets in the NFL Draft ,..or the low cost, bargain binge FA market.
So long as it's within framework and preference of their roster philosophy.
How they insist how the team roster is built.

They will have no problem going out to get a Damontae Kazee, Keanu Neal, Basham, Watkins or Malik Hooker,..so long as its'
in that Money Ball plan that they will insist having, ..no matter how much cap space they manage.
 

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No.

1. They don't know talent. They truly have no idea who can or can't play. This is why they have crap at DT every year. They aren't aware of it.

2. They love themselves. They are their biggest fans. They drafted these guys and aren't they great and aren't we smart. We really do a great job.

It's not about earning anything in Dallas. They just tried to give 14 million a year for 5 years to a DE that has done almost nothing on the field for 7 years. Did Jaylon Smith earn his contract? What about Blake Jarwin? Things are given to you here. Players are coddled and entitled.

It's a land of make believe that only exists to feed the ego of Jerry and his family. I wish players actually had to earn what they get here.
 

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OMG they are treating the football players and personnel like this is a MLM scheme(ahem scam). :facepalm:
 

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No.

1. They don't know talent. They truly have no idea who can or can't play. This is why they have crap at DT every year. They aren't aware of it.

2. They love themselves. They are their biggest fans. They drafted these guys and aren't they great and aren't we smart. We really do a great job.

It's not about earning anything in Dallas. They just tried to give 14 million a year for 5 years to a DE that has done almost nothing on the field for 7 years. Did Jaylon Smith earn his contract? What about Blake Jarwin? Things are given to you here. Players are coddled and entitled.

It's a land of make believe that only exists to feed the ego of Jerry and his family. I wish players actually had to earn what they get here.

The Gregory thing really crystalizes everything about this franchise. Overvalued one of their own. Didn't pay him because they realized they need DEs, they paid him because he's one of their own and they wanted to reward him for that. If they really thought DE was an issue, they would have parlayed that $70 million into figuring out a way to bring in a Jones (Smith is out there but does anyone think they will really make a valid run?).

It's mindnumbing.
 

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I think it's got to a point were outside free agents don't take us serious anymore, I'm talking bout top caliber FA's, I bet in player circles they know coming to Dallas involves taking less money, and if a top FA is linked to us, it's probably cause they are using us for leverage, we are also to the point where we are struggling just to keep the players in house to stay. The day has come where we have to slap a franchise tag on a Dalton Schultz, that says alot.

Yeah I'm sure the Cowboys are earning that reputation they don't pay market. Agree with you there, but retaining our own players isn't quite the struggle you may be thinking. If the Cowboys don't retain you they probably don't really want you. The franchise tag for Schultz really says nothing other than we think you're a good player and the franchise tag cost less than the 12 million+ annual market comp. Let's tag you while we figure out worth.
 

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The Gregory thing really crystalizes everything about this franchise. Overvalued one of their own. Didn't pay him because they realized they need DEs, they paid him because he's one of their own and they wanted to reward him for that. If they really thought DE was an issue, they would have parlayed that $70 million into figuring out a way to bring in a Jones (Smith is out there but does anyone think they will really make a valid run?).

It's mindnumbing.
There you go...
 

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You'll NEVER win this way. You literally have to nail the draft every single year. It's a completely unrealistic and asinine way to run the team claiming to strive for a Super Bowl. But the family business continues to make money and nobody is getting fired, so the only real suckers here are the fans.

Exactly. And even if you nail every draft pick, after 4 years you lose free agents and you have to draft well again. The fact is you cannot draft fast enough to keep up with the players you lose.
 

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Nailed it to a T........




This is not what the Joneses have said. When you sign free agents from another team, it comes with a lot of uncertainty and risk. The more you invest, the bigger the risk. After the 2012 big-money signing of Brandon Carr flamed out, the Joneses decided the high-cost, early-free agency signing period was too big of a gamble. Players get paid more than they are worth and often end up not living up to the contract. So they abandoned that period almost entirely (unless they felt there was a player there who was a bargain). Other examples they used of this was Marco Rivera.

With their own free agents, they believe they better understand the value of the player. They know the player's temperament in the locker room, the amount of effort he gives and the level of play he can achieve. It isn't merely about rewarding their own, it's about risk-reward management. Although there have been failures in this strategy, they still believe it is less risky than signing other teams' FAs to exorbitant deals.

I don't happen to agree with them, but if you look at all that they have said over the years about why this is their philosophy, these are the reasons they do what they do.
 

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While I agree with Stephen often saying big FA signings often don't live up to their new fat contracts. However, there are some players that you can't ignore if you have the cap-space to get them. And thats costing the cowboys big time.

It is true a lot of times it doesn't work out, but the good franchises now how to pick the right players so it does work out more often.

Signing a guy like Bobby Wagner to a 2 or 3-year deal should be a piece of cake and they desperately need another impact guy in their front 7.
 

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This is not what the Joneses have said. When you sign free agents from another team, it comes with a lot of uncertainty and risk. The more you invest, the bigger the risk. After the 2012 big-money signing of Brandon Carr flamed out, the Joneses decided the high-cost, early-free agency signing period was too big of a gamble. Players get paid more than they are worth and often end up not living up to the contract. So they abandoned that period almost entirely (unless they felt there was a player there who was a bargain). Other examples they used of this was Marco Rivera.

With their own free agents, they believe they better understand the value of the player. They know the player's temperament in the locker room, the amount of effort he gives and the level of play he can achieve. It isn't merely about rewarding their own, it's about risk-reward management. Although there have been failures in this strategy, they still believe it is less risky than signing other teams' FAs to exorbitant deals.

I don't happen to agree with them, but if you look at all that they have said over the years about why this is their philosophy, these are the reasons they do what they do.
All valid. I'll counter with this though....

-No other pro team is structured this way or operates under that philosophy, as sound as it may seem.

-Its been proven to not work.

There's no way to question questioning it.

Even the majority of fans, the type you'll never find around these parts.....are going to begin to jump ship before all that long.

Jerry knows it. He isnt a dummy, he just plays one on the radio. That's why I'm surprised they aren't more aggressive, but that's been covered.
 

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Nailed it to a T........



B.S. Jerry Dumbo GM Jones and Stephen "Personnel Title" Jones have been all over the board with Glover, Pac Man, etc. The problem is they do not have a plan or a philosophy. However, its a business and the business model is to be relevant (Arlington Jonesboys philosophy - inconsistent) and not to win Super Bowls (Dallas Cowboys philosophy - consistent).
 
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