Keep hearing certain people in the media say Dak is succeeding because of the RB and O-line

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The best that any defense has done against us was Philly who made our rushing attack inconsistent and bogged down in the RZ.

How did Dak perform? Not well.

Dak is playing as well as one could expect out of a rookie but to say that he could perform the same with the Giants OL and the Eagles skill position players is ludicrous.

 

[rpntex]

It all honesty, there is some truth to this belief. To a point, the running game in the play of the offensive line has made Dax's job much easier. Just as it would for any quarterback, a superior running game, and an outstanding offensive line, has taken pressure off of the quarterback to create big plays on his own. That is not to say that Dak is not capable of doing that - only that he hasn't had to as of yet.

 

[4lifecowboy]

What QB doesn't need a strong team around him to be successful? Also the underlying assumption that any QB could be put back there and be just as effective is where the offense is. Nobody out and out states that but the dismissive "but" when comparing him to other QBs is what I'm hung on. Brady started his career with a good team around him,so did Rodgers, and Russell. Where they lucky? Could any QB succeeded in their situations? Dak did fall into a good situation no doubt, but to take one iota of credit from him for all that he brings to this team is offensive. With the exception of him and Zeke this is literally the same offense from last year, and with the exception of Romo no other QB was able to operate it effectively. So they can miss me with that "but" he has more to work with crap.

 

[lostar2009]

That may be true but we know it's still hard to find a qb that can succeed in the NFL if given those tools.

 

[lostar2009]

No quarterback in the history of this game has "carried" a team. It would be an absolute injustice to his teammates for anyone to imply that they did.

John Elway. I say that guy almost single handed took an average team to a sb a couple of times before Shannon got there and got him help.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Who cares? You need a team to succeed. Payton Manning doesn't win that Super Bowl without that defense. Same can be said for Russell Wilson.

Yup. Neither does Eli of Flacco. I just want to win. After the super bowl we can get the agendas flowing regarding who gets the credit.

 

[toto1939]

Put Dak behind a trash O-Line & a scrub RB & he'd struggle. What's being said is true. In the end, they all help each other to move the team towards Wins. Just enjoy what we're doing & stop worrying about obvious statements being made.

Put Romo behind a trash O-Line and scrub RB and he'd struggle to get out of his hospital bed the next day.

 

[BrassCowboy]

You have to remember that almost everyone in sports media has their name tied to comments made after the draft where they stated how Dak was either a bad choice by the Cowboys or a "project" or "developmental" quarterback and the Cowboys should have traded up to get a quarterback capable of contributing "right now".

Because their words, comments, etc. are archived on the internet, they have to find a way to downplay what he is doing now or else their previous comments could be brought up which would hurt their perception of being "smarter" than everyone else.

They will continue to do this until he has a really bad game and then they will say, "See! I told you so!" or if Dak were to do something like win a Super Bowl this year, they would then say, "It was a 'miracle' season that 'no one could have predicted!'" to cover themselves.

Well then what excuse do some Cowboy fans here have? It is like you said, I mean look at Eagles game. They came pouncing. Sad really.

 

[Bullflop]

I've got no doubt that our excellent OL and RBs help his cause but Dak would surely be successful, regardless of the circumstances.

Even if the conditions surrounding him were less than desirable, other QBs attempting to replace him would likely fall by the wayside.

 

[Kevinicus]

What QB doesn't need a strong team around him to be successful? Also the underlying assumption that any QB could be put back there and be just as effective is where the offense is. Nobody out and out states that but the dismissive "but" when comparing him to other QBs is what I'm hung on. Brady started his career with a good team around him,so did Rodgers, and Russell. Where they lucky? Could any QB succeeded in their situations? Dak did fall into a good situation no doubt, but to take one iota of credit from him for all that he brings to this team is offensive. With the exception of him and Zeke this is literally the same offense from last year, and with the exception of Romo no other QB was able to operate it effectively. So they can miss me with that "but" he has more to work with crap.

Zeke is a significant improvement. It's also more than Zeke. Leary is an improvement as well. The OL has played better overall. Beasely is coming into his own, and the coaches are actually playing off of tendencies and not into them. There is quite a lot different from last year.

There is no assumption that ANY QB could be put back there. There is obviously a minimum threshold of ability that needs to be met. Dak also isn't really going to be compared to just ANY QB either. The other guy on the team is one of the elites in the league.

 

[Doomsday101]

What QB doesn't need a strong team around him to be successful? Also the underlying assumption that any QB could be put back there and be just as effective is where the offense is. Nobody out and out states that but the dismissive "but" when comparing him to other QBs is what I'm hung on. Brady started his career with a good team around him,so did Rodgers, and Russell. Where they lucky? Could any QB succeeded in their situations? Dak did fall into a good situation no doubt, but to take one iota of credit from him for all that he brings to this team is offensive. With the exception of him and Zeke this is literally the same offense from last year, and with the exception of Romo no other QB was able to operate it effectively. So they can miss me with that "but" he has more to work with crap.

Those QB you mentioned were at least fortunate to be on good teams. Beats the hell out of being a top pick and getting stuck on a poor team and getting the crap kicked out of you. When Dallas drafted Troy there was little talent on that team in his rookie year and watching him getting beat up as he did was tough to watch. Once talent was put around him we all saw Troy lead that team. I do agree that not just anyone can do what Dak has done, 3 guys tried last season and all 3 failed.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I do agree that not just anyone can do what Dak has done, 3 guys tried last season and all 3 failed.

Yep.

Anyone that believes just "any" QB could come in here and do what Dak's done is out of their minds.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep.

Anyone that believes just "any" QB could come in here and do what Dak's done is out of their minds.

Very true. The fact that Dak makes it look easy at times only shows the talent he does have. The kid is a rookie and still has much to learn and given the fact he seems to be well grounded as a person and puts in the time I see no reason he will not continue to develop.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I heard the same about Aikman twenty five years ago. It's the same broken record. The QB still needs to direct the offense, execute his plays, throw the ball to open receivers to make catches, etc., i.e, do what he's supposed to do regardless.

 

[Doomsday101]

I heard the same about Aikman twenty five years ago. It's the same broken record. The QB still needs to direct the offense, execute his plays, throw the ball to open receivers to make catches, etc., i.e, do what he's supposed to do regardless.

True. I find it funny though people will say these things as if it is bad. Dallas went out and drafted 3 OL players in the 1st rd. They got Dez in the 1st rd and they got Zeke in the 1st rd. They did what your suppose to do which is get talent on the field to win football games. Does Dak benefit because he has talent around him? You bet that is the object to get talent and win ball games. I think if you asked any QB would it help if we put a solid OL around you and a great RB in the backfield? I think 32 out of 32 QB would say hell yes.

 

[plasticman]

John Elway. I say that guy almost single handed took an average team to a sb a couple of times before Shannon got there and got him help.

Then he couln't carry them.

When a player "carries" a team it is generally assumed they were carried to somewhere and that is to a Championship.

John Elway and the Broncos did not win a Super Bowl until they had a dominant running game.

 

[lostar2009]

Then he couln't carry them.

When a player "carries" a team it is generally assumed they were carried to somewhere and that is to a Championship.

John Elway and the Broncos did not win a Super Bowl until they had a dominant running game.

But still he took them to a bowl by himself. To carry does mean to necessary when a bowl but can carry a team to greatness, playoff berths rememberable wins. At this point thr NFL have qbs struggling to have a team qualify for the playoffs but yet we consider them great.

 

[ThreeandOut]

Well if this theory is correct, then they should cut Romo immediately. There's no use spending $20M per year on a QB if all you need is a great RB and OL.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

Put Romo behind a trash O-Line and scrub RB and he'd struggle to get out of his hospital bed the next day.

Romo has done that for a good portion of his career & done pretty well.

 

[plasticman]

But still he took them to a bowl by himself. To carry does mean to necessary when a bowl but can carry a team to greatness, playoff berths rememberable wins. At this point thr NFL have qbs struggling to have a team qualify for the playoffs but yet we consider them great.

I see, then we just had different definitions of the word "carries", a case of semantics. I really don't know if there is an official definition, I suppose it depends on individual interpretation, fair enough?

So then you were saying that John Elway is an example of a quarterback that "carried" his team, meaning that he was the only real weapon that they had that enabled them to get to greatness, playoff berths, and memorable wins, using your definition.

Greatness is arbitrary and memorable wins invoke games that are remembered by all. However, playoff berths are measurable, although I would consider it a rather low standard. But, okay, that is your standard.

Then, by your own standard, you are declaring that Dak Prescott is not ready to lead the Cowboys to a playoff berth?

Don't look now, but he pretty much already has.

I mean you do remember that was how the discussion started, right? EGG made the comment that Dak wasnt ready to carry the team. I then made the comment that no QB has truly carried the team. Then you mentioned John Elway, we disagreed until we agree now on your definition which includes playoff berths.