CFZ Keep this in mind regarding PS games

[Risen Star]

Don't believe Bob. Panic.

 

[RodeoJake]

I think part of the reason some get a burr under their saddle over preseason is the long wait to see some kind of football played. After seven months, we want to see some quality play outta the team. When that ain't happening, folks get antsy and sometimes angry. It's hard to accept waiting so long only to see games that weren't played with some kind of urgency to win.

 

[Cowboys22]

I spent a little time watching the game thread last night for the Seattle ps game. I was amazed at how much stock some our fans put into these games and what it may mean about the team or individual players.

Here are some points I believe about ps games and what we should all keep in mind:

• Winning or losing means nothing…nada…zero about the upcoming season. If we go 0-3 or 3-0 in ps. It means nothing about what we will see in the regular season.
• There is no game planning for the opponent for any of these games. Which means they’re are just running plays without even considering what would work best against a ps opponent.
• What you see in regard to ”play-calling” in PS- on offense or defense- is about 5-10% of the actual playbook. It’s plain vanilla on purpose. This is more like sandlot football than a real NFL game.
• Most rookies- even early round picks- don’t come plug and play. Most have to be developed. Most will have early ups and downs. What you see in August will probably not be what you see in Nov. Or next year. I know Mazi Smith hasn’t looked all world. Man he’s 22. The quality of talent in the NFL is waaaay above what he saw at Michigan. Give him and all the rooks some time before writing them off.
• Most of the players in these games for almost the whole game will not be big players in the regular season. About 50-75% of the players you see in ps will never play a meaningful down of NFL football.
• Remember- the coaches are using about 5-10% of the playbook on purpose. They aren’t game planning. They don’t want to show their best plays, formations or in some cases even player strengths in ps.
• The coaches know more about these players than we do. They want to win. Pre-season to this coaching staff is NOT about looking sharp. It’s about evaluating the margins of the roster. The preparation for the season opener is happening at practice, not in ps games.
• Maybe most importantly- what you see in ps games- good or bad- does not show what is about to happen when the games matter. Mike McCarthy is clearly a HC who chooses not to play his starters in ps games. (Imagine if Micah Parsons instead of Overshown had blown his knee out in the first qtr.) In other words we haven’t seen what this team is yet.

The above reasons are why ps games are vastly overrated if you are looking for indications about what the Cowboys will be in 2023. What you see in a pre-season football game is like watching a band rehearsal a month before a show. With backup singers and musicians.
The real show starts Sept. 11. That’s when we get to start learning what this team can be. Not now.

Everyone knows all this and it applies to each and every team. No one cares about wins and loses. They care about seeing good things from young players. They don’t want to see our 350 lb strong as an Ox 1st round DT being pushed around by 2nd and 3rd teamers. They don’t want to see the same exact problems from the past 10 years still showing up. They don’t want to see our backup OL be complete turnstiles. They want to see the training camp hype translate to the field against another team and it never seems to happen with this team. To me, that’s an indication of a serious issue.

 

[CCBoy]

I think part of the reason some get a burr under their saddle over preseason is the long wait to see some kind of football played. After seven months, we want to see some quality play outta the team. When that ain't happening, folks get antsy and sometimes angry. It's hard to accept waiting so long only to see games that weren't played with some kind of urgency to win.

When stationed in Europe there was a rodeo circuit that a good number of stationed troops participated in...back when.

 

[RodeoJake]

When stationed in Europe there was a rodeo circuit that a good number of stationed troops participated in...back when.

Way back when, there used to be play day rodeos that were open to anyone who wanted to participate.

 

[T-RO]

I think part of the reason some get a burr under their saddle over preseason is the long wait to see some kind of football played. After seven months, we want to see some quality play outta the team. When that ain't happening, folks get antsy and sometimes angry. It's hard to accept waiting so long only to see games that weren't played with some kind of urgency to win.

100%. And to those fans I say: Sybil, hold your water.

98% of Billionaires not named Musk lie. That's almost all they do.* Rise above false NFL narratives.

They.Are.Not.Games. Not even close.

 

[DandyDon52]

Great reminders. On the nose.

Will Grier still sucks, though.

will is still learning, and hasnt been coached up good.
cowboys take 5 years at least to develop a good bkup lol. Rush was awful for years, and I think he eventually coached himself up.
Dinucci was awful here and then coached himself up , became a star in xfl, and now is back in nfl in denver.

I will cite one example where dallas had a 4th and one in the red zone. Mike calls a play where routes are slow developing, and pass rush had
been really good, instead of a run or qb sneak, or a quick short pass. The play resulted in a 15 yd sack, the ol just all got beat.

How is that fair to will ?? Playing with the scrubs, he only had tolbert, and his HC calling really stupid plays at wrong times, bad OL, it is hard
to be good in that type of situation. How do you think dak would do in same situation ??

 

[FVSTONE]

its ok if he were looking like a rookie BUT you were seeing those moments that made you think "Oh, that's why he's different." I'm not seeing those nor have I been hearing that from others.

Well, you're not going to see what I see when you watch the game with both eyes closed and the TV is on mute! LOL!

 

[jmj055]

Well, Bob. I hear what you're saying and I agree with 80% of it. However, I still think one offensive series per game is prudent.
You're not facing standard 43 or 34 defenses as you have for decades, you're facing ever changing defensive fronts and attacks. We've seen defenses blitz in pre season which is something that never used to happen. The starters have not faced any serious pressure to perform at a high level. There is no fear of your QB getting hit in camp.
QBs react differently under pressure, especially ours. I feel putting him out there in a new offense without feeling the timing and urgency of live action will be unfortunate.
I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

Amen!!!

 

[CCBoy]

Amen!!!

70 % has remained the same as in Prescott's past in Dallas.

 

[plasticman]

I spent a little time watching the game thread last night for the Seattle ps game. I was amazed at how much stock some our fans put into these games and what it may mean about the team or individual players.

Here are some points I believe about ps games and what we should all keep in mind:

• Winning or losing means nothing…nada…zero about the upcoming season. If we go 0-3 or 3-0 in ps. It means nothing about what we will see in the regular season.
• There is no game planning for the opponent for any of these games. Which means they’re are just running plays without even considering what would work best against a ps opponent.
• What you see in regard to ”play-calling” in PS- on offense or defense- is about 5-10% of the actual playbook. It’s plain vanilla on purpose. This is more like sandlot football than a real NFL game.
• Most rookies- even early round picks- don’t come plug and play. Most have to be developed. Most will have early ups and downs. What you see in August will probably not be what you see in Nov. Or next year. I know Mazi Smith hasn’t looked all world. Man he’s 22. The quality of talent in the NFL is waaaay above what he saw at Michigan. Give him and all the rooks some time before writing them off.
• Most of the players in these games for almost the whole game will not be big players in the regular season. About 50-75% of the players you see in ps will never play a meaningful down of NFL football.
• Remember- the coaches are using about 5-10% of the playbook on purpose. They aren’t game planning. They don’t want to show their best plays, formations or in some cases even player strengths in ps.
• The coaches know more about these players than we do. They want to win. Pre-season to this coaching staff is NOT about looking sharp. It’s about evaluating the margins of the roster. The preparation for the season opener is happening at practice, not in ps games.
• Maybe most importantly- what you see in ps games- good or bad- does not show what is about to happen when the games matter. Mike McCarthy is clearly a HC who chooses not to play his starters in ps games. (Imagine if Micah Parsons instead of Overshown had blown his knee out in the first qtr.) In other words we haven’t seen what this team is yet.

The above reasons are why ps games are vastly overrated if you are looking for indications about what the Cowboys will be in 2023. What you see in a pre-season football game is like watching a band rehearsal a month before a show. With backup singers and musicians.
The real show starts Sept. 11. That’s when we get to start learning what this team can be. Not now.

Agreed.

The Cowboys played against a majority of starters in the first quarter of both games with their 2nd team..

This implies the Cowboys 3rd and 4th teams, so called bubble players, competed against "the next guys up" for the majority of both 2nd halves.

This is beneficial for the Cowboys because it gives the players stiffer competition....steel sharpens steel.....or something like that.

 

[jmj055]

Chiefs offense willing to put in the extra work.

Mahomes playing in preseason

Mahomes just wants a faster start. “Better energy, better urgency from the get-go,” Mahomes said. “It's preseason game, and obviously the results don't necessarily matter, but they do if you want to build a culture of winning