Kellen Moore Aug 19. Attack. Attack

[Rayman70]

Coach Moore seems to be not only open but will implement ideas and plays from the other offensive minded coaches on staff. Can't wait to see when this offense gets rolling and what he has in store.

A YOUNG Sean Payton

 

[ScipioCowboy]

LOL......Its NOT true, but it is?

Garrett said MANY times throughout the season that "we are getting back to what we do well and thats run the ball".

Garrett 100% influenced game plans, conservatism, and pulled in the reigns. And Moore was running "Garrett's offense".

Garrett was also his HC so to say that Garrett wasnt influencing is naive. It was obvious.

And yah, Moore isnt going to throw his coach under the bus midseason.

It seems like Garrett went through extremes. Early in his tenure, he would pass all the time. Later, you couldn’t get him not to run on first down.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So you are officially on record as calling both Dak and Moore liars?

They specifically said--more than once--that Garrett's input did not increase as the year progressed as far as play-calling and game-planning.

If you mean that throughout the year, Garrett was involved in the overall game plan....but did not increase or decrease (was just involved as any HC would be) then that is probably true.

Obviously Garrett sat in on the same meetings and the like throughout the year; he is a notoriously conservative creature of habit. Him having the same level on input does not mean he didn't change said input.

The offense at the beginning of the year looked like nothing we had ever seen in Dallas with all the motion and multiple looks. it then turned into the exact same crap that Garrett ran when he was calling plays down to the draw and standing around presnap.

It's called critical thinking. Have you ever heard Dak or Moore throw a team member or coach under the bus? Are the Cowboys coaches and players fed talking points by Rich Dalrymple? Do you ever expect either one of them to say "yeah the offense suffered and it was because of Garrett."? Are the claims that they seem to be making in line with what you are seeing with your own observations?

Oh and you can put me down for all players and coaches lie and deceive the press about how things are run and what they did or are going to do and they do it all the time.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I love that they’re pulling offensive concepts from Dallas, Green Bay, San Fran, and elsewhere around the league. Both Moore and McCarthy are terrific offensive minds, so they should put together a very nice offense for this talented group of offensive players.

It’s going to be so much fun to watch.

I also love hearing about Lamb. That’s one of the things that impresses me about CeeDee, he’s such an instinctive and smart receiver. He’s just a natural wideout.

i hope to see the return of the Shanahan style stretch and counter that left with Callahan. It still works well as evidenced by San Fran last season.

 

[AsthmaField]

i hope to see the return of the Shanahan style stretch and counter that left with Callahan. It still works well as evidenced by San Fran last season.

That’s exactly what I want to see in Dallas. Elliott would be scary.

 

[DFWJC]

Obviously Garrett sat in on the same meetings and the like throughout the year; he is a notoriously conservative creature of habit. Him having the same level on input does not mean he didn't change said input.

The offense at the beginning of the year looked like nothing we had ever seen in Dallas with all the motion and multiple looks. it then turned into the exact same crap that Garrett ran when he was calling plays down to the draw and standing around presnap.

It's called critical thinking. Have you ever heard Dak or Moore throw a team member or coach under the bus? Are the Cowboys coaches and players fed talking points by Rich Dalrymple? Do you ever expect either one of them to say "yeah the offense suffered and it was because of Garrett."? Are the claims that they seem to be making in line with what you are seeing with your own observations?

Oh and you can put me down for all players and coaches lie and deceive the press about how things are run and what they did or are going to do and they do it all the time.

The offense produced EXACTLY the same against that crappy level of team before and after Garrett supposed took possession of the offense.
The results were identical vs Washington and New York.

Again. I do not care AT ALL if he did or he didn't. I wanted Garrett gone too.
But nobody says he did change the offense except some people that were not in that room on or on that team.

They wouldn't have to say he made it worse because the results--at least as measure vs the same level of defense--was the same before and after.
In fact, they scored more vs those teams later. (Miami, NY, Wash before and NY, Wash. and Detroit later....all very low-end defensive teams last year)

They could just say, yes, Coach Garrett wanted this or that after the first couple of games so we added that in. They would've have to say anything bad. They did end up leading the league in total offense (but 6th in scoring).

That's all.

I'm fine if you believe what you believe.

And I do think the offense will be different this yer.

 

[Aven8]

Obviously Garrett sat in on the same meetings and the like throughout the year; he is a notoriously conservative creature of habit. Him having the same level on input does not mean he didn't change said input.

The offense at the beginning of the year looked like nothing we had ever seen in Dallas with all the motion and multiple looks. it then turned into the exact same crap that Garrett ran when he was calling plays down to the draw and standing around presnap.

It's called critical thinking. Have you ever heard Dak or Moore throw a team member or coach under the bus? Are the Cowboys coaches and players fed talking points by Rich Dalrymple? Do you ever expect either one of them to say "yeah the offense suffered and it was because of Garrett."? Are the claims that they seem to be making in line with what you are seeing with your own observations?

Oh and you can put me down for all players and coaches lie and deceive the press about how things are run and what they did or are going to do and they do it all the time.

 

[DFWJC]

What we all expect to change is how we play vs average to good defenses.

We already dominated the bad ones

Early in the year vs bad defenses
Scoring

• 35 vs NYG
• 31 vs Wash
• 31 vs Miami

Later
in the year vs bad defenses
Scoring

• 37 vs NYG
• 35 vs Detroit
• 47 vs Wash

Run/Pass splits the same and Run/Pass scoring the same.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

No surprise..........Remember MM just said this week he wanted to score a bunch early and turn the game over to his DLine.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

This should be fun. Such a versatile offense loaded with playmakers

Yeah, good times.
But.
Who won yer war?

 

[DandyDon52]

So you are officially on record as calling both Dak and Moore liars?

They specifically said--more than once--that Garrett's input did not increase as the year progressed as far as play-calling and game-planning.

If you mean that throughout the year, Garrett was involved in the overall game plan....but did not increase or decrease (was just involved as any HC would be) then that is probably true.

yes but people think this because dallas looked so good in 1st 3 games, and they forget it was against 3 incredibly weak teams.

 

[pansophy]

So you are officially on record as calling both Dak and Moore liars?

They specifically said--more than once--that Garrett's input did not increase as the year progressed as far as play-calling and game-planning.

If you mean that throughout the year, Garrett was involved in the overall game plan....but did not increase or decrease (was just involved as any HC would be) then that is probably true.

Moore’s first line included being excited about having a 2020 offense.

If that doesn’t tell you that he felt limited by Garrett’s scheme then what can I say? Parcells always said he had to talk to the media but that didn’t mean that he always told the truth.

 

[DFWJC]

Moore’s first line included being excited about having a 2020 offense.

If that doesn’t tell you that he felt limited by Garrett’s scheme then what can I say? Parcells always said he had to talk to the media but that didn’t mean that he always told the truth.

I never once said he was or wasn't limited by Garrett’s scheme

The discussion was about Garrett taking over the play calling more after game 3 of last season than before

 

[pansophy]

I never once said he was or wasn't limited by Garrett’s scheme

The discussion was about Garrett taking over the play calling more after game 3 of last season than before

You can only calls plays if they are in the playbook. Garrett always said that Moore would be working existing concepts. Garrett may not have made Moore call this play or that play, buts it’s clear that Moore felt like he was limited in what could get into the playbook to begin with.

 

[Future]

What we all expect to change is how we play vs average to good defenses.

We already dominated the bad ones

Early in the year vs bad defenses
Scoring

• 35 vs NYG
• 31 vs Wash
• 31 vs Miami

Later
in the year vs bad defenses
Scoring

• 37 vs NYG
• 35 vs Detroit
• 47 vs Wash

Run/Pass splits the same and Run/Pass scoring the same.

Full game run/pass splits still don't matter, regardless of how many times you check the box score.

 

[DFWJC]

You can only calls plays if they are in the playbook. Garrett always said that Moore would be working existing concepts. Garrett may not have made Moore call this play or that play, buts it’s clear that Moore felt like he was limited in what could get into the playbook to begin with.

Of course. I agree. Not what I was debating earlier though.
We all agree on what you said here.

We are talking about two different things.

Of course, the Head Coach (especially and offensive-minded ones like Garrett or McCarthy) will have input into the overall playbook and even the general game plan. That is a given. Some more than others though.

It's also why we can be excited that the playbook and game plan will be a combo of Moore/McCarthy and others vs Moore/Garrett and others.

Not the same as calling the plays that are in that playbook.
Some were saying that Garrett kind of took that over. Moore and Dak both said there was no change in how much he was involved in play calling in weeks 1-3 vs after that.
I take them for their word.

That's all

 

[pansophy]

Of course. I agree. Not what I was debating earlier though.
We all agree on what you said here.

We are talking about two different things.

Of course, the Head Coach (especially and offensive-minded ones like Garrett or McCarthy) will have input into the overall playbook and even the general game plan. That is a given. Some more than others though.

It's also why we can be excited that the playbook and game plan will be a combo of Moore/McCarthy and others vs Moore/Garrett and others.

Not the same as calling the plays that are in that playbook.
Some were saying that Garrett kind of took that over. Moore and Dak both said there was no change in how much he was involved in play calling in weeks 1-3 vs after that.
I take them for their word.

That's all

Will be interesting to see what the giants do.

 

[DFWJC]

Will be interesting to see what the giants do.

I suspect their offense will be better than 2019, but they were below average so a low bar

They upgraded their line, Barkley is healthy, and D Jones and WR Slayton will be in year 2