Kellen Moore Failed Dak Prescott

[buddahjoe445]

That's not true. It was beginning of the seasons and the Bengals weren't good early in the season. They were just an average team with a record of 4-4 at the halfway point in the season. And LA wasn't good all season.

And both Rush and Dak played against the NFCE teams once and they had exactly the same record.
Our defense played lights out when Rush was the QB. We led the league in sacks and pressures and were only giving up 16 points a game which was ranked #1 at the time. Defense started to get bad in November once the injuries started to pile up and were giving up 22 points a game.

you can say the same thing about Dak. he played against some defenses that were injured, just in a funk or some other excuse. Dak played against WASH when they rested half their starters and stunk it up like Zach Wilson. you can't cherry pick your stats to justify Dak is more than an average player. you can say the offense would have scored fewer points with Rush, but so would have their opponents since Rush would not have turned it over as much as Dak.

the truth is Dak has been one of the luckiest players to every play football. he played on a team that had terrible defenses that allowed him to pad his stats with garbage time stats when he was in the midst of his contract negotiations, leading Jerry to give a contract that bind this team. he is digressing as a player when he should be getting better. as his physical skills are diminishing his mental skills should be expanding but its not. his college scouting report was very accurate and is still the applicable today. unfortunately, this team is stuck with him for several more years, but it should look for its next QB asap.

 

[Haimerej]

I have lost a point? LOL. You never had one to start with. Just because you make crap up about Rush and say he is better at running KM's offense than Dak doesn't make it true. Scoring 21 points a game isn't going to win you many games unless your defense plays lights out every week. Anyone who understands basic football would understand this. Unfortunately, you seem to have problems with this simple concept.

I've made nothing up. Two of the three common opponents Rush played better against. Never said he was better at running the offense. I said he had a better win percentage. All that to make the point that Dak wasn't the only QB who could be successful in Kellen's offense.

Look at the thread title again if you have to. It's apparent you can't keep track of the conversation. This thread is literally about Moore. You're turning this to a Cooper vs Dak discussion when it's a defense of the playcaller and whether a lesser QB can still be effective in his system.

You want it to be about me saying Cooper is better because your brain shorts out when you see Cooper having better games against 2 of those 3 opponents. I think you've said, "anyone who understands..." like 5 times now. Get better material. You're repetitive and stale.

 

[Zman5]

you can say the same thing about Dak. he played against some defenses that were injured, just in a funk or some other excuse. Dak played against WASH when they rested half their starters and stunk it up like Zach Wilson. you can't cherry pick your stats to justify Dak is more than an average player. you can say the offense would have scored fewer points with Rush, but so would have their opponents since Rush would not have turned it over as much as Dak.

the truth is Dak has been one of the luckiest players to every play football. he played on a team that had terrible defenses that allowed him to pad his stats with garbage time stats when he was in the midst of his contract negotiations, leading Jerry to give a contract that bind this team. he is digressing as a player when he should be getting better. as his physical skills are diminishing his mental skills should be expanding but its not. his college scouting report was very accurate and is still the applicable today. unfortunately, this team is stuck with him for several more years, but it should look for its next QB asap.

LOL. OK bud. You don't win that many games with the kind of stats he has by just being lucky but as I said, you are entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with any of it.

 

[Zman5]

I've made nothing up. Two of the three common opponents Rush played better against. Never said he was better at running the offense. I said he had a better win percentage. All that to make the point that Dak wasn't the only QB who could be successful in Kellen's offense.

Look at the thread title again if you have to. It's apparent you can't keep track of the conversation. This thread is literally about Moore. You're turning this to a Cooper vs Dak discussion when it's a defense of the playcaller and whether a lesser QB can still be effective in his system.

You want it to be about me saying Cooper is better because your brain shorts out when you see Cooper having better games against 2 of those 3 opponents. I think you've said, "anyone who understands..." like 5 times now. Get better material. You're repetitive and stale.

I'll keep it simple for you. No matter how much you want to believe, scoring 21 points per game isn't a successful offense.
I told you already, that would have been ranked 16th this year. That's is definition of an average offense at best.

When I called you out on it, you kept repeating the winning percentage nonsense as if Rush led offense was the reason they won.
And he we are again. I have to repeat myself again since you still have hard time understanding those facts.

 

[buddahjoe445]

LOL. OK bud. You don't win that many games with the kind of stats he has by just being lucky but as I said, you are entitled to your opinion. I don't agree with any of it.

so you dismiss Rush stats and being 4-1, but you try to justify Dak's and his wins? you can't have it both ways.

 

[Zman5]

so you dismiss Rush stats and being 4-1, but you try to justify Dak's and his wins? you can't have it both ways.

Do you really think Rush was the reason we won all those games? We were ranked 24th scoring offense and the defense was ranked 1st scoring defense only giving up 16 points a game at that time.

 

[Haimerej]

I'll keep it simple for you. No matter how much you want to believe, scoring 21 points per game isn't a successful offense.
I told you already, that would have been ranked 16th this year. That's is definition of an average offense at best.

When I called you out on it, you kept repeating the winning percentage nonsense as if Rush led offense was the reason they won.
And he we are again. I have to repeat myself again since you still have hard time understanding those facts.

You actually think you're making a point by saying scoring 21 points a game and going 4-1 with Cooper Rush isn't a success. Instead you're trying to remake my argument into Cooper is better than Dak.

"Anyone who understands football," calls that a success. You're expecting a backup who couldn't stick with the NYG roster to perform like the starter. You're repeating yourself because you're stuck in a glitch. You've yet to grasp the subject.

 

[Zman5]

You actually think you're making a point by saying scoring 21 points a game and going 4-1 with Cooper Rush isn't a success. Instead you're trying to remake my argument into Cooper is better than Dak.

"Anyone who understands football," calls that a success. You're expecting a backup who couldn't stick with the NYG roster to perform like the starter. You're repeating yourself because you're stuck in a glitch. You've yet to grasp the subject.

That's like saying a defense that give up 30 points a game is successful because the offense was scoring 32 points a game and winning games.
Only a fool or someone who knows nothing about the game would evaluate a team with that kind of faulty logic.

 

[Haimerej]

That's like saying a defense that give up 30 points a game is successful because the offense was scoring 32 points a game and winning games.
Only a fool or someone who knows nothing about the game would evaluate a team with that kind of faulty logic.

Yeah, you've said that.

Glad to see you're still oblivious.

 

[Zman5]

Yeah, you've said that.

Glad to see you're still oblivious.

Glad to see you are still drunk or high and not making any sense. Only thing you got is the win percentage.
If defense gave up 16points per game for Dak like they did for Rush, Dak would be 10-2. Does that help you out to understand the simple concept of defense having a role in the winning percentage? Probably not.

 

[Haimerej]

Glad to see you are still drunk or high and not making any sense. Only thing you got is the win percentage.
If defense gave up 16points per game for Dak like they did for Rush, Dak would be 10-2. Does that help you out to understand the simple concept of defense having a role in the winning percentage? Probably not.

That's great, Lenny. We'll let you tend the rabbits.

 

[buddahjoe445]

Do you really think Rush was the reason we won all those games? We were ranked 24th scoring offense and the defense was ranked 1st scoring defense only giving up 16 points a game at that time.

What about when they gave up 6 to Det, 3 to Min, 19 to Ind, 13 to Ten? Did the defense not play a roll in helping Dak win those games? You make it seem like the defense was terrible the entire year. They had a bad stretch, just like every team in the NFL. This defense also led the league in take aways. Dak also led the league in turnovers while also missing 5 games. I'm confident a Rush led team would have had a similar record as Dak. Now, imagine if this same team had $40M to sign better players. The ceiling is much higher. Thats why this team needs to move on from Dak asap. Its not because he is a bad person. Its because he is not a good QB that can carry a team when it needs to.

 

[Zman5]

That's great, Lenny. We'll let you tend the rabbits.

OK Cheech.

 

[Haimerej]

OK Cheech.

So what's your excuse?

 

[Zman5]

So what's your excuse?

Why would I need one for showing you the facts? I think you took one too many puffs of that bad stuff you got off the streets. You should be careful.

 

[Zman5]

What about when they gave up 6 to Det, 3 to Min, 19 to Ind, 13 to Ten? Did the defense not play a roll in helping Dak win those games? You make it seem like the defense was terrible the entire year. They had a bad stretch, just like every team in the NFL. This defense also led the league in take aways. Dak also led the league in turnovers while also missing 5 games. I'm confident a Rush led team would have had a similar record as Dak. Now, imagine if this same team had $40M to sign better players. The ceiling is much higher. Thats why this team needs to move on from Dak asap. Its not because he is a bad person. Its because he is not a good QB that can carry a team when it needs to.

I never said they didn't and if you want to go game by game, go for it. Make sure to include all the games Rush would have lost only scoring 21 points a game.
BTW, we score 24, 40 and 27 in those games you mentioned above.

 

[Haimerej]

Why would I need one for showing you the facts? I think you took one too many puffs of that bad stuff you got off the streets. You should be careful.

You need one for missing the point. It's pretty clear. I think you're the only one who can't see it.

 

[XXLMike]

For those interested in good reading and an education on Dak and what Moore failed todo, give it a read. Since play action and 3rd and long were two big issues for the offense its not hard to also surmise that the run game failures were also a problem as was the Oline blocking. Both in the run and the pass.


https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...-moore-failed-dak-prescott-2022-mike-mccarthy



But if you prefer hard evidence, the statistics suggest that Prescott is best at play-action and deep shots. He’s been in the top five of all quarterbacks in passer rating on play-action attempts for all but one of his years in the NFL. Prescott has also ranked in the top 10 of quarterbacks in passer rating on throws that travel 20 yards or more in every year of his career thus far.

Similarly, Prescott attempted a pass over 20 yards downfield on just 10.8% of his passes. That ranks astonishingly low in the league, 23rd among qualifying quarterbacks. That’s fewer deep shots than Jacoby Brissett, Geno Smith, and rookies Kenny Pickett and Brock Purdy. Not only did the Cowboys limit their deep shot passing game, they were living for the short game, targeting hitch routes at the fourth highest rate of any offense in 2022.

Much of the blame has been laid at the feet of Prescott, and unfairly so. Prescott has proven time and again that he’s an extremely gifted quarterback, but the Cowboys - and, more specifically, Moore - failed him this season.

Stop
Just stop
Moore is a top 4 OC with a bottom 4 qb in Dallas .
Herbert will lead the afc in passing.

 

[buddahjoe445]

I never said they didn't and if you want to go game by game, go for it. Make sure to include all the games Rush would have lost only scoring 21 points a game.
BTW, we score 24, 40 and 27 in those games you mentioned above.

Dak's numbers are inflated by the Bears and Colts game, which were mainly the result of the defense getting turnovers and TDs. Even with Rush's 21 PPG you mention the team would have gone 11-6 at the very least. Again, not a big difference between Dak and Rush. Factor in how much Dak was the reason DAL defense gave up more points and its easy to make the argument the defense played well the entire year. Stop making it seem like Dak had nothing to do with the defensive struggles at times. Daks turnovers also lead to the offense playing hurry up and trying to play catchup. Its like someone starting a fire and putting it out and wanting credit for it.

 

[Zman5]

You need one for missing the point. It's pretty clear. I think you're the only one who can't see it.

Do you like to look at the mirror and keep repeating nonsense and then tell yourself you are right?
Are you Stuart Smalley? LOL.