Kellen Moore loves Dak as a leader

[nyc-cowboy]

lol I didn’t ask for opinions to be censored, just for a place for the same old conversations to be had instead of clogging up the fan zone.

If y’all wanna argue the same things over and over then feel free, just would be nice if y’all could do it somewhere designed for that specific over discussed topic.

Strange way to respond to my post

Yup, its the reason we had a separate Romo section on the old boards.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're stretching a bit. Sure you'll find the occasional compliment from current and former teammates and I'll even give you that Dak has had great moments and great games. No denying that. But face it, you'll NEVER EVER hear praise about Dak's arm talent like you hear about other QBs like Rodgers, Mahomes, Burrow, etc. Dak does not have elite arm talent, he has never been consistent with ball placement, hitting receivers in stride and when he throws in the middle, his receivers often get smacked hard. Go watch tape, son.

“Elite arm talent”?

now your moving the goal posts

 

[CowboyRoy]

I think focusing on whether Dak is "Top 10" or not is missing the point. What matters is whether Dak can get back to playing within himself, protect the ball and be that bus driver that makes a couple of big plays a game that maximizes the Cowboys chances at winning. I'm a big Kellen Moore fan but it was a mistake trying to make Dak play Boise State football, that's not his game. Kellen now has a QB that better fits what he wants to do as an OC, and McCarthy can get the best out of Dak. I just don't get why everybody thinks Dak has to be an all-pro or they can't win a Super Bowl. Our defense is good enough to carry the team, just need the offense to play complimentary football and keep penalties and turnovers to a minimum. Doesn't mean that Dak has to play like Cooper Rush. He can take a few shots down the field or whatever, but he's got to get it out of his head that he has to make a play on every series.

Does dak have your permission to take a few shots downfield?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Let's put it another way. Had Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or other elite QB just suddenly threw 17 Ints in 12 games, the media would be throwing out the "has-been, washed up" labels left and right. You know that. Just be grateful that Dak gets any benefit of the doubt.

Your argument is so weak that you have to use Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers to make it?

Dak is a top 10 QB in the NFL. Nothing more, nothing less. One thing he definitely is not is a bus driver.

Now it would be wonderful for any QB if all he had to do was hand the ball off to the RB and make a few dump offs per game to win. But that would require a better running game than Zeke provided against the Niners.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Let's put it another way. Had Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady or other elite QB just suddenly threw 17 Ints in 12 games, the media would be throwing out the "has-been, washed up" labels left and right. You know that. Just be grateful that Dak gets any benefit of the doubt.

Payton Manning had 23 picks in 2001, 19 in 2002, and 17 in 2011 in 16 games. I dont recall anyone saying Manning was washed up.

Anything else?

 

[CowboyRoy]

You're stretching a bit. Sure you'll find the occasional compliment from current and former teammates and I'll even give you that Dak has had great moments and great games. No denying that. But face it, you'll NEVER EVER hear praise about Dak's arm talent like you hear about other QBs like Rodgers, Mahomes, Burrow, etc. Dak does not have elite arm talent, he has never been consistent with ball placement, hitting receivers in stride and when he throws in the middle, his receivers often get smacked hard. Go watch tape, son.

Again your weak argument having to use Mahomes and Burrows to make a point.

"Elite arm talent"? I guess when your argument is weak, you just move the goal posts?

If your point is that Dak is not Mahomes or Burrows, then its a weak one. NO one ever said he was.

Watch the tape? Gladly

 

[CowboyRoy]

Physical skill or talented praise....


It's the compliment given to someone with no leadership, golf course Offseason routine, Cabo tripping, gunslinger football mentality



Dak Haters are Worthless

As are Romo haters as are Quincy Carter lovers

 

[shabazz]

Great leader, gym rat, hard worker, student of the game.....

It's the complement you give someone with no physical skill or talent to praise.

…..don’t forget “gives back to the community “

it’s almost obligatory at this point

 

[TheCritic]

Again your weak argument having to use Mahomes and Burrows to make a point.

"Elite arm talent"? I guess when your argument is weak, you just move the goal posts?

If your point is that Dak is not Mahomes or Burrows, then its a weak one. NO one ever said he was.

Watch the tape? Gladly

Why is Dak not having elite arm talent a weak argument? I never said that Dak isn't capable of winning in the playoffs. As I've said over and over, I think Dak deserves one final opportunity to take the Cowboys to the promised land. But if he continues to commit turnovers and have injury-related setbacks, then whatever "leadership qualities" he has isn't enough to warrant a $45-50 million a year extension.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why is Dak not having elite arm talent a weak argument? I never said that Dak isn't capable of winning in the playoffs. As I've said over and over, I think Dak deserves one final opportunity to take the Cowboys to the promised land. But if he continues to commit turnovers and have injury-related setbacks, then whatever "leadership qualities" he has isn't enough to warrant a $45-50 million a year extension.

Nobody said Dak had elite arm talent. And bashing a QB because he isnt Mahomes or Rogers is very weak.

QB's dont take teams to the SB. A common misconception of QB challenged football fans.

continues to commit turnovers? No need to lie about it. Dak threw for 300 yards and 5 TD's against the Bucs. Daks playoff QBR in the playoffs is a 93 with 15 TD's and 5 picks. Is Dak known for throwing lots of picks or something? Typically not a problem for him. Daks play definitely warrants an extension. And then there is that little problem that we have no one else better or even close.

Surely your not suggesting we cut Dak and go with Rush?

Only thing Cowboys have been unable to do the last two years is beat SF. Which has the #1 defense in the NFL and one of the best teams in the NFL. They will be great again THIS year as well. Until we have a BETTER team than the Niners we will continue to lose to them. And they keep beating us with guys like Garrapollo and Purdy. So its obviously not about ONLY the QB.

 

[TheCritic]

Nobody said Dak had elite arm talent. And bashing a QB because he isnt Mahomes or Rogers is very weak.

QB's dont take teams to the SB. A common misconception of QB challenged football fans.

My initial comment about Dak's arm talent was a mere observation with a twist of sarcasm. I wasn't trying to make a thesis on why Dak will never win a championship. You keep trying to lump me in with the other Dak haters. What is wrong with you?
QB challenged football fans? LOL please guide us toward your enlightened thinking!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

My initial comment about Dak's arm talent was a mere observation with a twist of sarcasm. I wasn't trying to make a thesis on why Dak will never win a championship. You keep trying to lump me in with the other Dak haters. What is wrong with you?
QB challenged football fans? LOL please guide us toward your enlightened thinking!!

Well at least you admit your "twisted sarcastic observation" was BS.

Dont need a thesis on why the Cowboys wont win a championship with Dak at QB. Dak will probably never win a championship because Jerry is our GM. Same problem Romo had. Same problem any player will have here as long as Jerry is the GM.

 

[TheCritic]

Well at least you admit your "twisted sarcastic observation" was BS.

Dont need a thesis on why the Cowboys wont win a championship with Dak at QB. Dak will probably never win a championship because Jerry is our GM. Same problem Romo had. Same problem any player will have here as long as Jerry is the GM.

What does Jerry got to do with Dak's limitations? Honestly this whole blame Jerry the GM thing - talk about weak arguments!! Do you have ANY EVIDENCE that Jerry has kept McCarthy or any of his staff from having anything they wanted? Seriously? It's not the same environment as it was under Garrett.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Kellen Moore loves Dak as a leader, just not as a QB.

So he bounced.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What does Jerry got to do with Dak's limitations? Honestly this whole blame Jerry the GM thing - talk about weak arguments!! Do you have ANY EVIDENCE that Jerry has kept McCarthy or any of his staff from having anything they wanted? Seriously? It's not the same environment as it was under Garrett.

Well seeing as though no Cowboys team has gotten to even the championship game under Jerry since the salary cap was installed over 30 years ago. Thats all the evidence you need. Many QB's, lots of coaches. Jerry is the one constant. Any remotely knowledgeable Cowboys football fans understands that Jerry is the problem in Dallas.

Things have been better under MM. The benefits of getting a REAL coach.

So its Dak' fault that Jerry hired Garrett for 14 years? Its Dak's fault that Jerry does stupid things like extending and overpaying for RB's like Zeke and featuring them? Is it Dak's fault that it took Jerry 30 years to finally form a championship level defense?

 

[5Stars]

lol I didn’t ask for opinions to be censored, just for a place for the same old conversations to be had instead of clogging up the fan zone.

If y’all wanna argue the same things over and over then feel free, just would be nice if y’all could do it somewhere designed for that specific over discussed topic.

Strange way to respond to my post

How about you don't open up a Dak thread, then you solve your little problem.

 

[TheCritic]

Well seeing as though no Cowboys team has gotten to even the championship game under Jerry since the salary cap was installed over 30 years ago. Thats all the evidence you need. Many QB's, lots of coaches. Jerry is the one constant. Any remotely knowledgeable Cowboys football fans understands that Jerry is the problem in Dallas.

Things have been better under MM. The benefits of getting a REAL coach.

So its Dak' fault that Jerry hired Garrett for 14 years? Its Dak's fault that Jerry does stupid things like extending and overpaying for RB's like Zeke and featuring them? Is it Dak's fault that it took Jerry 30 years to finally form a championship level defense?

Now look at who is throwing up random talking points and trying to make them stick! Sure there are lots of things that Jerry made mistakes with in the past, but again no evidence that these kind of mistakes are still happening with McCarthy and his staff. What would you have done differently during the McCarthy era that you can directly blame Jerry for?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Now look at who is throwing up random talking points and trying to make them stick! Sure there are lots of things that Jerry made mistakes with in the past, but again no evidence that these kind of mistakes are still happening with McCarthy and his staff. What would you have done differently during the McCarthy era that you can directly blame Jerry for?

No evidence? Its all over the place.

The Zeke fiasco being front and center. (Pollard)

Prior to THIS year, Jerry's refusal to use FA and trades properly in the offseason to get the players we need to make us a legit contender.

The WR fiasco last year where they replaced Cooper with a scrub. If Jerry really wanted to win a SB he would have replaced Cooper with a legit WR.

Forcing Moore on MM when he hired

Jerrys failure to properly address the oline issue this year in FA or the draft

Continuing to rely on Tyron Smith as a staple of our Oline.

And why do you keep cherry picking the MM era? Jerry's failures stretch back 30 years.

 

[TheCritic]

No evidence? Its all over the place.

The Zeke fiasco being front and center. (Pollard)

Prior to THIS year, Jerry's refusal to use FA and trades properly in the offseason to get the players we need to make us a legit contender.

The WR fiasco last year where they replaced Cooper with a scrub. If Jerry really wanted to win a SB he would have replaced Cooper with a legit WR.

Continuing to rely on Tyron Smith as staple of our Oline.

And why do you keep cherry picking the MM era? Jerry's failures stretch back 30 years.

1. It wasn't McCarthy who signed Zeke to that ridiculous contract.
2. How do you know that the lack of signing overpriced FAs in prior years was exclusively on Jerry?
3. We did address Tyron Smith by drafting Tyler Smith...hello?!?!?!?!
4. Cherry-picking the MM era? You mean focusing on the current era, the only one that matters right now? Gee I don't know.

 

[CowboyRoy]

1. It wasn't McCarthy who signed Zeke to that ridiculous contract.
2. How do you know that the lack of signing overpriced FAs in prior years was exclusively on Jerry?
3. We did address Tyron Smith by drafting Tyler Smith...hello?!?!?!?!
4. Cherry-picking the MM era? You mean focusing on the current era, the only one that matters right now? Gee I don't know.

1. Exactly it was Jerry.
2. Jerry is the GM, its his job
3. Tyron Smith is still starting LOL
4. This is about Jerry's failures as a GM since the salary cap era. Again, moving the goal posts to ONLY the MM era.

So in summary............Its not Dak's fault that Jerry cant properly build a SB caliber team around the QB. He seems to be able to build a great offense or great defense and has trouble making both sides good enough to win it all.

This offseason he moved the needle. However he blew it, in my opinion, by failing to properly address the Oline issue. This is the best team we have had since the 13-3 Romo team.