Kellen Moore - why did he not become our head coach?

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I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.
 
i don't believe they had the confidence in him to lead a team...as some on this board do.
i don't believe they were blown away by him in the interview.
i don't think they heard from him anything that convinced them he was ready to lead.
i don't believe he turned them down because i don't believe they offered him the job.

good luck to him in new orleans.
go☆cowboys.
 
1. He’ll probably get more in NO than Schottenheimer gets in Dallas as Moore was one of the highest paid coordinators in Philly.

2. Jerry likely coveted the fact that Schottenheimer was available to start weeks ago. There is a discomfort in waiting for a guy to finish the playoffs and not know 100% of he’ll take the job or not. If Dallas chose Moore and after the SB he decided to stay in Philly, you’d be boned.

3. Recency Bias. He’s spent the last 2 year with Brian; he had a close relationship with the team Jerry alluded to in the press conference.
 
I think Moore would have been our HC is the Eagles did not advance all the way to the SB. I think Jerry acted impulsively because of how stupid he looked when MM walked away from negotiations. Schottenheimer was what was available immediately so he got the job.
 
Majic said:
I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.
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I doubt Moore dictated his terms, he just wanted the job. The concerns about his ability to lead were legitimate.

I'm sure at some point we'll get more to the story.
 
Creeper said:
I think Moore would have been our HC is the Eagles did not advance all the way to the SB. I think Jerry acted impulsively because of how stupid he looked when MM walked away from negotiations. Schottenheimer was what was available immediately so he got the job.
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You're close,

but that's not what happened,,

everyone can sit here with straight faces, and I just can't even understand why there's four posts on Kellen Moore, first of all everybody thought he was a doofus that he was the next Jason Garrett and everyone wanted him gone and now recency bias and also not having a good perspective on what you're really seeing..​
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he's on an all in team with an all-in roster; so he looked good that doesn't change who he is he's not bringing that roster or that staff to New Orleans nor would he have brought it here therefore this is a major overcorrection and an overreaction by the fan base as usual wanting somebody they didn't want it all.​

The man is just becoming a decent offensive coordinator and now you think he's ready to be a head coach in the big time last in line by the way to put together a coaching staff which I thought that was a death sentence remember ,oh Jerry's not making decisions fast enough ,he's going to be behind all the other teams.. HMM while he's not behind the Saints and he's definitely not behind Kellen Moore seems like a last job open OK you might as well come take it. What other teams are going after more other than the Cowboys nobody else really had any interest they pretty much had their minds made-up everyone but guess who the last team left would be the Saints seems like a consolation prize to me..

.. But this is what really happened Brian Schottenheimer was being interviewed with no intentions of getting the job they just wanted to hear what he had to say because he did have some locker room fans the players liked him they already talked to Kellen Moore via zoom on the phone and he was a leading candidate but Brian Schottenheimer said something in interview one that got him interview 2 the next day the thing went 11 hours it turned Jerry around schottheimer said the right things and he made Jerry change his mind it wasn't because availability because BS comes highly reviewed by his ex-bosses his ex-coaches his ex-peers and the players in the locker room they all like him it made jerry change his mind.

Moore lost his job to Brian schottenheimer not because he wasn't available, and he was playing deep into the playoffs he lost it because Schottenheimer said the right things and got the right feedback that Jerry wanted Schottenheimer ended up winning the job he didn't get it by default.

But you all said you didn't want the next Jason Garrett you said that that was going to be Jerry's choice because it was comfortable and he wanted to be right and he wanted to develop another young guy and you all were dead set against it until now he played for the eagles in the Super bowl you can't do that that's hypocrisy Jerry already talked to Kelly Moore Jerry already knew who Kelly Moore was if he wanted him he would be here Kelly Moore wanted this job that's a fact Jerry chose Schottenheimer because Schottenheimer had the right answers he had the right feedback sometimes that happens in an interview one of the candidates that you didn't think was a favorite turned into the favorite it happens..

How is it you guys want something different how do you know the staff that Brian schottenheimer just hired which we all agree is very impressive for what we thought we were getting in a raw second choice head coach the man brought in a very good staff how do you know Moore is gonna do the same thing?

that's the important part now stop with the recency by stop living in the moment with the Super bowl , you're smelling fumes all that matters is as a whole that this coaching staff is better than what we had and it's an improvement and does well that's all we can ask for anybody here predicting kellen moore is going to be better is ridiculous...​

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Majic said:
I have a theory and it is this. The Jones family wanted Moore as their head coach. He was their first choice. At the interview stage Moore indicated he wanted to bring in his own DEF Co-ordinator Brandon Staley. Staley is from the Fangio tree and was responsible for the successful aggressive Rams DEF of 2020 which he turned into a head coaching job with the Chargers. This was not what they Jones' wanted to hear as they were fixated on Eberflus and his passive bend not break DEF. It was a deal breaker for both parties. I expect Moore to become the Saints head coach and bring Staley on board to revamp their DEF.
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No there's no good theories here there's only one actual fact and that is Brian schottenheimer's interview went so well he got a second interview and he changed Jerry's mind it's as simple as that Jerry chose Brian schottenheimer over Kelly Moore because of what was said in the interviews there was no other reason and by the way how is Kelly Moore all of a sudden the new boy genius everybody wants that nobody wanted that's hilarious he got the last job open and now he's way behind at assembling a coaching staff this feels like constellation price here to get the job with the Saints he was rejected by Jerry Jones and people around here can't understand it yes Jerry did want more but he changed his mind because schottenheimer had a great interview. And he also put together a great staff and everyone here is forgetting that that's the most important part he literally has surprised everyone with this coaching staff and now we're sitting here talking about more for no good reason other than you think he's good because he's on a Super Bowl team with an all in loaded roster and a great staff and somehow now it was because of him that the eagles won LMASO..

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Brian Schottenheimer was being interviewed with no intentions of getting the job, maybe the OC was an option, they just wanted to hear what he had to say because he did have some locker room fans, the players liked him...​
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they already talked to Kellen Moore via zoom, on the phone, and he was a leading candidate for a formal in person Interview during the gap between the NFCCG and the SB, ​
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but Brian Schottenheimer said something in interview one that got him interview 2 the next day, the thing went 11 hours it turned Jerry around, BS said the right things and he made Jerry change his mind..SIMPLE huh, it wasn't because availability because BS comes highly reviewed by his ex-bosses, his ex-coaches, his ex-peers, and the players in the locker room.. ​
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they all like him it made jerry change his mind.​

Moore lost his job to Schottenheimer not because he wasn't available, and he was playing deep into the playoffs, he lost it because schottenheimer said the right things and got the right feedback that Jerry wanted, schottenheimer ended up winning the job, he didn't get it by default.

And I think we're missing the most important part is the staff he assembled way better than expected some of it might even be impressive so why are we going back on this nonsense for a guy nobody ever really wanted around here in the first place...
 
Doesn't matter he'll be the coach here in a few years anyways, it's already in the team handbook!!! We must hire KELLEN!!!!!!!
 
blueblood70 said:
No there's no good theories here there's only one actual fact and that is Brian schottenheimer's interview went so well he got a second interview and he changed Jerry's mind it's as simple as that Jerry chose Brian schottenheimer over Kelly Moore because of what was said in the interviews there was no other reason and by the way how is Kelly Moore all of a sudden the new boy genius everybody wants that nobody wanted that's hilarious he got the last job open and now he's way behind at assembling a coaching staff this feels like constellation price here to get the job with the Saints he was rejected by Jerry Jones and people around here can't understand it yes Jerry did want more but he changed his mind because schottenheimer had a great interview. And he also put together a great staff and everyone here is forgetting that that's the most important part he literally has surprised everyone with this coaching staff and now we're sitting here talking about more for no good reason other than you think he's good because he's on a Super Bowl team with an all in loaded roster and a great staff and somehow now it was because of him that the eagles won LMASO..

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Not sure that's right. Schotty was interviewed after Moore wasn't he. I think Moore was ruled out during Zoom interview
 
A few things:
Kellen Moore was the leader in the clubhouse.
I do think the combo of his availability being delayed and his lack of desire to have Jerry procure his staff made him move down the board.
Nothing you can say about Kellen Moore negatively will make him less a candidate than Brian.
I think KM was the target all along and part of why Jerry was so slow moving with MM was to give time KM time to get bounced from the playoffs.
When that didn't happen, he took the interview when available and had options Big Mike didn't.
Now Big Mike sits out a year unpaid. --very rare in the NFL among head coaches unless they are burned out.
Kellen takes on the Saints rebuild.
Dallas tries to buoy Schott by building the best staff they can under him.
Kellen got a very late start on building his Saints staff and a lot of times a first-time coach gets sunk because of the staff he chose.

Time will tell.
Brian seems very underqualified. He was not even the true OC here. Kellen was OC then Big Mike took over that role.
But the staff does appear to be very well put together and the sum could be greater here because of that support.
 
Majic said:
Not sure that's right. Schotty was interviewed after Moore wasn't he. I think Moore was ruled out during Zoom interview
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absolute fact yes Kellen Moore was interviewed via zoom and then schottenheimer was interviewed after but in between if you remember and I do for a fact that there was an actual formal interview that was gonna happen between the NFC championship game and the Super bowl because there was extra time more had a second interview set up..

but jerry jones decided to hire schottheimer instead,

but no that is not true that more was ruled out it was absolutely a second formal interview set up, it just never happened ,because Schottenheimer was hired because Schottenheimer won the job..

I like how you guys like to twist things to make it seem like Jerry made a mistake, no Jerry made a choice and Kellen Moore LOST and BTW is the last dude on the list for the LAST Opening, and in my opinion, a consolation prize..

and we will only know in the future which choice was better and even then, it's going to be perspective ,like what's the rosters look like, what do the GM's doing top help the staffs, I mean this is all going to be to be determined later.



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cowboyec said:
i don't believe they had the confidence in him to lead a team...as some on this board do.
i don't believe they were blown away by him in the interview.
i don't think they heard from him anything that convinced them he was ready to lead.
i don't believe he turned them down because i don't believe they offered him the job.

good luck to him in new orleans.
go☆cowboys.
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Oh, but Schotty who interviewed nowhere else for a HC job checks all those boxes.

Moore got Jalen Hurts a ring. That alone makes him a better candidate than Schotty.
 
blueblood70 said:
absolute fact yes Kellen Moore was interviewed via zoom and then schottenheimer was interviewed after but in between if you remember and I do for a fact that there was an actual formal interview that was gonna happen between the NFC championship game and the Super bowl because there was extra time more had a second interview set up..

but jerry jones decided to hire schottheimer instead,

but no that is not true that more was ruled out it was absolutely a second formal interview set up, it just never happened ,because Schottenheimer was hired because Schottenheimer won the job..




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I can't find anything on that. All I see is the January 17th Zoom call that supposedly ended early. Do you have a link about Moore having a 2nd interview set up?
 
Kellen Moore was as strong a candidate for a HC position other than Ben Johnson and Mike Vrabel. He was respected as an OC. Why not Dallas? Who really knows? Someone decided that he was not the guy for the Cowboys. Could have been Moore; could have been Jones and son. Like all of football we fans can just sit back and watch what happens. Time will tell just how good or bad a HC Kellen Moore will be. For now Brain S is our coach. Let's hope for the best. Let's hope the FO made the right choice for once.
 
jterrell said:
A few things:
Kellen Moore was the leader in the clubhouse.
I do think the combo of his availability being delayed and his lack of desire to have Jerry procure his staff made him move down the board.
Nothing you can say about Kellen Moore negatively will make him less a candidate than Brian.
I think KM was the target all along and part of why Jerry was so slow moving with MM was to give time KM time to get bounced from the playoffs.
When that didn't happen, he took the interview when available and had options Big Mike didn't.
Now Big Mike sits out a year unpaid. --very rare in the NFL among head coaches unless they are burned out.
Kellen takes on the Saints rebuild.
Dallas tries to buoy Schott by building the best staff they can under him.
Kellen got a very late start on building his Saints staff and a lot of times a first-time coach gets sunk because of the staff he chose.

Time will tell.
Brian seems very underqualified. He was not even the true OC here. Kellen was OC then Big Mike took over that role.
But the staff does appear to be very well put together and the sum could be greater here because of that support.
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I can agree with most of what you said but schottenheimer has 25 years experience and he had a father that was a head coach in this league a very successful head coach,

he been waiting for a long time to do this and he's not underqualified he actually was the play caller for some of Seattle Seahawks and some of Russell Wilsons best years, literally the dude had like 105 passing touchdowns and only 25 interceptions over a three-year. He was a pro bowler all three years and he was also an all pro one year under Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator and play caller...

He has lots more experience than Moore or Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen or even Aaron Glenn ,none of them have head coaching experience either, and some of them have very little coordinator experience, are you kidding me Liam Cohen, I never even heard of the guy he had one year in Tampa Bay as the offensive coordinator and now he's a head coach.... you tried to tell me that Schottenheimer has less experience than everyone on that list except for two coaches Pete Carroll and Mike Vrabel.

I don't know where all that's coming from because it's all false ,it's kind of right there in black and white and the fact is he must have had a list like this for a while and he finally got his shot and he's putting together a very good staff everyone should be more than impressed and surprised by Brian schottenheimer having this many connections, and yes he is very much ahead of the Saints and Moore..

It's very simple Brian Schottenheimer was a shock to even Jerry, he blew Jerry away in interviews, when Jerry did background checks from people he's worked with in the past coaches and players they all gave him a excellent reviews and glowing references.

So yes, Moore was the leading candidate but he lost out to Brian Schottenheimer, it's as simple as that, had nothing to do with the time that it would've took to get him, it literally he lost his formal second interview because Brian Schottenheimer stole the job from him, and you saying that somehow he doesn't have enough experience is ridiculous the man's been around the NFL since he's been a kid I bet there's stories where he's hung around his dad on the sidelines at every stop he's ever been on tell me that in 25 years as a coach in the NFL he's not more experienced than most of those guys up there who spent very little time at their positions with loaded rosters and got jobs for the first time as well?
 
atlantacowboy said:
Oh, but Schotty who interviewed nowhere else for a HC job checks all those boxes.

Moore got Jalen Hurts a ring. That alone makes him a better candidate than Schotty.
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No it doesn't. Maybe the team got KM the ring.
Did Moore interview anywhere else? Jerry does not count, that was a courtesy interview.
NO took him as there was no one else left.

Just looking at it from a different perspective.
 
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