Kellen Moore's Offense: top 5 w/Dak; middle to dead last w/o Dak

[GINeric]

Americas Cowboys thinks he can convince everyone year after year that it’s not Daks fault. The excuses keep coming: offensive lines fault, wr fault, defense unable to get ball back, etc. They don’t care about what’s obviously dak going three and out and refusal to play complementary football, inability to anticipate throw, under throwing, etc. Facts are Daks never won the big game at any level and will continue to fail in the big moment.

Dak has played 6 full seasons and hasn't won the big game, you're absolutely right.

Now after Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and many other quarterbacks played 6 full seasons and didn't "win the big game" yet, did you say the same things about them?

Did you blame all the failed attempts to win the big game on them within the same amount of time?? Did you blame all the losses on them like you blame them on Dak??

I never said Dak is or will be a better quarterback than those guys.

I just want to know if you said the SAME exact thing about those other quarterbacks after 6 seasons of foot played and was it also their fault that they didn't win the big game in the same time frame.


I'll patiently wait to hear your answer or spin job....

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

There you go again. “I use the whole body of work to judge a player”

Then use the outlier season in a career to post a judgement…..make up your mind.

Dak was brutal at protecting the ball this past season. Actually. Horrible. However that isn’t normal if we’re being fair to his entire body of work. Like you claim you are.

This team is unfortunately stuck with him after the stupidity exhibited by restructuring his contract. I was on board with letting him and MM play out this season and see where we were. If it’s a bad season. We could cut bait with both and start over with a new HC and QB tandem.

This team hasn’t exactly shown us they are smart when making these kind of decisions.

However. That doesn’t negate using one season to judge a player instead of their whole body of work like you claim you do. It’s one or the other. If you say you use an entire body of work, you can’t post about the interception total of one season again. It doesn’t make sense.

With all of that being said. I was on the lay for maye train before they restructured 4s contract.

"The outlier season"

Says the Dak fan that ignores that this isn't the first time Dak has lead the NFL in a turnover category.

 

[phildadon86]

"The outlier season"

Says the Dak fan that ignores that this isn't the first time Dak has lead the NFL in a turnover category.

We’re talking about interceptions. As always you miss everything else I wrote. And try to be smarter.

The you said is better than Dak after his one decent season lead the league in turnovers how many times? How many times has Josh Allen? Again. You prove to only use “stats” when they suit you. I’m in Costa Rica drinking a scotch on the beach. Not gonna waste anymore time with a guy on a forum who’s never played a competitive sport in his life.

 

[12+88=7]

Dak has played 6 full seasons and hasn't won the big game, you're absolutely right.

Now after Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and many other quarterbacks played 6 full seasons and didn't "win the big game" yet, did you say the same things about them?

Did you blame all the failed attempts to win the big game on them within the same amount of time?? Did you blame all the losses on them like you blame them on Dak??

I never said Dak is or will be a better quarterback than those guys.

I just want to know if you said the SAME exact thing about those other quarterbacks after 6 seasons of foot played and was it also their fault that they didn't win the big game in the same time frame.


I'll patiently wait to hear your answer or spin job....

You're comparing Prescott to all time QBs.

When Manning and Brees played when there was a mention of top QBs they were always listed, always. Prescott is never mentioned this way. That's why you can doubt Prescott but give the other great QBs the benefit of the doubt.

There are many great QBs that have made the HOF and not won. But when they played you knew their greatness. Prescott is not in this league. No one says "that Prescott will be a HOFer one day" when watching Prescott play. This person would be ridiculed for making such a statement.

It's fair to doubt if Prescott could get it done.

 

[CWR]

Someone will win this debate and end it in this thread. I know it.

Lol, finally we can put it to bed. This should be a very productive thread.

 

[CCBoy]

Uhhh, yea! Thus isn't Madden! Lol

I have to go with the smart money and most of the early trust thrown the direction of the Cowboys, not just pessimism.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Kellen Moores offense also leads the NFL in INTs with Dak even though he missed 5 games.

so kellen more is also at fault for the interceptions. glad you are coming around finally realizing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

"The outlier season"

Says the Dak fan that ignores that this isn't the first time Dak has lead the NFL in a turnover category.

Literally, last year was the first time he led the league in Interceptions.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We’re talking about interceptions. As always you miss everything else I wrote. And try to be smarter.

The you said is better than Dak after his one decent season lead the league in turnovers how many times? How many times has Josh Allen? Again. You prove to only use “stats” when they suit you. I’m in Costa Rica drinking a scotch on the beach. Not gonna waste anymore time with a guy on a forum who’s never played a competitive sport in his life.

"and try to be smarter"

 

[GINeric]

You're comparing Prescott to all time QBs.

When Manning and Brees played when there was a mention of top QBs they were always listed, always. Prescott is never mentioned this way. That's why you can doubt Prescott but give the other great QBs the benefit of the doubt.

There are many great QBs that have made the HOF and not won. But when they played you knew their greatness. Prescott is not in this league. No one says "that Prescott will be a HOFer one day" when watching Prescott play. This person would be ridiculed for making such a statement.

It's fair to doubt if Prescott could get it done.

Again, I never compared Dak to anyone. I said Dak hasn't won the big game in 6 full seasons of playing quarterback in the NFL.

Well neither has Manning, Brees, and a host of other great quarterbacks in their first 6 full seasons of playing quarterback in the NFL.

You placed the blame on Dak for the lack of big game success during those first years.

So who's to blame in the lack of big game success in the first few years of those other quarterbacks I've mentioned??

See the problem is people blame Dak for something, yet give excuses spin jobs for the other quarterbacks who had lack of success in the same time frame.

For example....

People say "Dak only won 1 or 2 playoff game in his first few years and he didn't win a Superbowl in 6 full seasons as a starter. He sucks, trade him, he's a bum."

The same things happened to Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and a host of other good or great quarterbacks in that SAME IDENTICAL time frame...

Those same people say...

"Oh well its different. They had bad teams or bad coaching"

As if Dak had Belichick.

What makes it worse.... Dak is expected to play better than 1st and 2nd round quarterbacks, even though he was drafted in the 4th.

Name one other 4th round drafted quarterback in NFL history who had bigger expectations than 1st and 2nd round drafted quarterbacks

 

[12+88=7]

Again, I never compared Dak to anyone. I said Dak hasn't won the big game in 6 full seasons of playing quarterback in the NFL.

Well neither has Manning, Brees, and a host of other great quarterbacks in their first 6 full seasons of playing quarterback in the NFL.

You placed the blame on Dak for the lack of big game success during those first years.

So who's to blame in the lack of big game success in the first few years of those other quarterbacks I've mentioned??

See the problem is people blame Dak for something, yet give excuses spin jobs for the other quarterbacks who had lack of success in the same time frame.

For example....

People say "Dak only won 1 or 2 playoff game in his first few years and he didn't win a Superbowl in 6 full seasons as a starter. He sucks, trade him, he's a bum."

The same things happened to Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and a host of other good or great quarterbacks in that SAME IDENTICAL time frame...

Those same people say...

"Oh well its different. They had bad teams or bad coaching"

As if Dak had Belichick.

What makes it worse.... Dak is expected to play better than 1st and 2nd round quarterbacks, even though he was drafted in the 4th.

Name one other 4th round drafted quarterback in NFL history who had bigger expectations than 1st and 2nd round drafted quarterbacks

It comes down to pedigree. If you have it or you don't. Once a player takes the field no one is thinking what round they were drafted in.

QBs that you know are all timers you can give them the benefit of the doubt. QBs that are not all timers you question if they can get it done. Manning and Brees are in the first category and Prescott is in the second. You can change the names, but the premise will remain the same.

 

[GINeric]

It comes down to pedigree. If you have it or you don't. Once a player takes the field no one is thinking what round they were drafted in.

QBs that you know are all timers you can give them the benefit of the doubt. QBs that are not all timers you question if they can get it done. Manning and Brees are in the first category and Prescott is in the second. You can change the names, but the premise will remain the same.

Great post, but pedigree doesn't always guarantee a superbowl ring.

 

[dfense]

So this proof Dak is better than Cooper Rush? I believe it.

 

[T-RO]

Now after Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and many other quarterbacks played 6 full seasons and didn't "win the big game" yet, did you say the same things about them?

Good point.

Some fans here think Romo or Dak should be able to win it all without roster or Head coach limitations. And no matter how badly they get screwed by the zebras.

 

[GINeric]

So this proof Dak is better than Cooper Rush? I believe it.

Nope. Starting position, salary and productivity provides all the proof you need of who's better.

 

[khiladi]

Dak has been a TO machine ever since Moore took-over. He had 7 in 4 and a half-games before he broke his leg in 2020. There hasn’t been any significant stretch in games where he hasn’t committed a TO going back to 2019. He’s a sloppy decision maker when the game slows downs.

He protected the ball when the offense was designed for protecting the ball, like when Rush was playing and winning games protecting the ball.

 

[GINeric]

Dak has been a TO machine ever since Moore took-over. He had 7 in 4 and a half-games before he broke his leg in 2020. There hasn’t been any significant stretch in games where he hasn’t committed a TO going back to 2019. He’s a sloppy decision maker when the game slows downs.

He protected the ball when the offense was designed for protecting the ball, like when Rush was playing and winning games protecting the ball.

Yeah but the only thing that hurt Rush was his inability to pass for over 110 yards consistently.

 

[quickccc]

" Cowboys are Better off without Kellen Moore " per YouTube - Per DMV Fanatic

- I think this is one illustration visual at some of the flaws of Kellen Moore that was magnified in the playoff game vs Niners ....

- Once again it was a mix of at times good plays vs suspect play calling .. what seemed to work at times, Kellen just would not sustain and keep at it . ..he had to
change it up to his irresistable tendencies to push the ball in the air ...

- Instead of the 12 and 13 personnel and trying to help the OTs (ala Tyron) and giving Dak some underneath targets early and easier, Kellen is driven to that

 

[RonnieT24]

exactly right

Herberts upcoming season will speak volumes about many things.

Not really.. God made more than one good quarterback. Maybe not enough for every team to have one.. but more than one. Herbert could ball out just because he will have the benefit of a new playbook that teams have never seen him run. Oh yeah.. and he has loads of talent. It would not surprise me at all to see him put up numbers.. Until the playoffs when the better DCs will have film on him in Moore's offense and a book 3 volumes deep on that offense itself. Now if the Chargers average 35 ppg in the regular season AND 35 ppg in the playoffs I will sit up and take notice.

 

[HungryLion]

Literally have a completely different offensive game plan for backup QBs.

True. Then again, There are reasons backup QB’s have different game plans. And it’s not because coaches want to score less points.