Ken Hamlin visiting Dallas on Wed.

[5mics]

I don't have any quotes but I do remember reading a lot of press about him being a better SS than FS.

Perhaps this is all perpetuated myth.

I think what many of us fear is spending money on a safety who cannot cover well. If you're gonna put Roy near the LOS somebody needs to cover well back there and we probably need to draft a couple of CBs to compete with our backups.

You can't blitz a lot without being able to cover. Newman can do it. Henry can if he's not lost a step. Reeves and Jones have been here awhile and haven't shown me much. They're at the point they need to fish or cut bait. Our third CB is in his last year or maybe two.

I'm definitely growing on the idea of drafting at least one CB maybe two. That idea takes off even more if they pick Hamlin up before the draft.

I felt the same way about Hamlin (being a better SS than FS) UNTIL I did my own research (as others did like I.R.) and found out Hamlin was actually a FS his entire collegiate career and his entire NFL career. Sure, some people felt he would be a better SS BUT that was their opinions/projection and NOT the facts. There have been a lot of misdirection & distortion among some of the faithful to convince the rest of us that Hamlin was only a SS when, in truth, he has been a FS his entire career.....

 

[superpunk]

Now c'mon SP, you know darn well as I do that fans are not the best source of analysis when it comes to their former players. It's mostly slash and burn poorly disguised as "objective" analysis. Heck, we see it here when it comes to our own former players, most recently Fowler. Most everyone here have said to trust Wade. Well, Wade brought Hamlin in for a look and could possibly green-light signing him so would we no longer trust his judgement if the signing were to occur? Can't have it both ways.....

I know those two fans, and they are pretty even-handed. It seemed to me those quotes were mostly complimentary. Being an average FS is not a terrible thing. I would have loved to have average back there the past 2 years, lol

 

[InmanRoshi]

Exactly who was our clear cut free safety and strong safety between James Washington and Darren Woodson when we were winning Superbowls? As far as I remember, James "drive by" Washington was known for his hits. I don't recall him being a premiere cover safety. In fact, he started at strong safety before Woody unseated him.

Or is Roy so limited that we couldn't get by with that kind of tandem again?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Exactly who was our clear cut free safety and strong safety between James Washington and Darren Woodson when we were winning Superbowls? As far as I remember, James "drive by" Washington was known for his hits. I don't recall him being a premiere cover safety.

Or is Roy so limited that we couldn't get by with that kind of tandem again?

yep, Roy is a stiff

 

[jobberone]

I felt the same way about Hamlin (being a better SS than FS) UNTIL I did my own research (as others did like I.R.) and found out Hamlin was actually a FS his entire collegiate career and his entire NFL career. Sure, some people felt he would be a better SS BUT that was their opinions/projection and NOT the facts. There have been a lot of misdirection & distortion among some of the faithful to convince the rest of us that Hamlin was only a SS when, in truth, he has been a FS his entire career.....

Thanks. Good post.

I've not really paid attention to his actual play so all I have is what I've read. I have no idea how good the guy is.

I did look at some Seahawk blog and forum stuff today. Obviously you get a mixed account of his play.

He was a 2nd round draftee. He did start right away. Seattle had had a revolving door at FS until Hamlin got there. And they drafted Boulware who was a true SS to play beside him. They sat Boulware who has a wealth of athletic talent and genetics and continued to play Hamlin.

He's apparently solid. Obviously he's not an All Pro. Also he's not being counted on to return which says something. But it doesn't absolutely mean he's not worth having. Seattle knows he's going to get pretty big bucks and they're not going to pony up that much. From what I've read they have the safety position reasonably well covered without depending on Hamlin.

And he's not had clubs drooling all over him.

I just don't know what to think. As always we'll have to trust people who know him and have seen game film. They're the only ones to truly know how good he is. We're all left with worrying out loud on a forum.

Personally I hope they get him or another veteran safety to go into the season. We don't have any depth at safety nor a known starter opposite RW. So at the least he'll provide depth while providing the team with another option at FS. Problem with that is you don't want to pay 5-10 million for a backup. Hence the quote about FS holding the Cowboys hostage.

Jerry needs to get this one right. Doing the right thing here will rub off some more tarnish on his rep as a GM.

Hopefully we'll all have a good idea before next December.

 

[eduncan22]

YEE-HAW

Not that I think Hamlin is a great coverage safety, but for the right price he would provide needed competition at free safety and at worst, a very good backup strong safety.

It's also a good sign that Dallas is not completely content with its free safety situation, which was loosely implied by Jerry Jones much to my chagrin.

There is a problem with this:

FA's cost a lot of money.

He'll make more than Watkins. [Watkins will make 400k + this year....]

There'll be pressure to start him over Watkins [why sign him for $$$, and then not start him?]

This is the same strategy that got us Henry and A Glenn [IMHO, both of these guys can not play Corner in the NFL]

You end up with a player, making tons of $$$, and not playing.

 

[gimmesix]

There is a problem with this:

FA's cost a lot of money.

He'll make more than Watkins. [Watkins will make 400k + this year....]

There'll be pressure to start him over Watkins [why sign him for $$$, and then not start him?]

This is the same strategy that got us Henry and A Glenn [IMHO, both of these guys can not play Corner in the NFL]

You end up with a player, making tons of $$$, and not playing.

In this day and age, even veteran backups get paid good money. Let's look at Jason Fabini for instance last year. Fabini's contract made him the "front-runner" to start at right tackle. But Dallas went with the best player as the starter and had Fabini as a vet backup (who did well I thought when he was forced to step in).

Even if Hamlin is unable to wrest the starting job from Watkins (which, to me, would mean that Watkins has improved), he would get playing time on special teams and in subpackages and would improve the overall strength of our secondary.

 

[AbeBeta]

This is the same strategy that got us Henry and A Glenn [IMHO, both of these guys can not play Corner in the NFL]

IMHO you don't know what you are talking about.

Post some videos again if you like.

 

[zrinkill]

This is the same strategy that got us Henry and A Glenn [IMHO, both of these guys can not play Corner in the NFL]

IMHO you don't know what you are talking about.

Post some videos again if you like.

 

[5mics]

Thanks. Good post.

I've not really paid attention to his actual play so all I have is what I've read. I have no idea how good the guy is.

I did look at some Seahawk blog and forum stuff today. Obviously you get a mixed account of his play.

He was a 2nd round draftee. He did start right away. Seattle had had a revolving door at FS until Hamlin got there. And they drafted Boulware who was a true SS to play beside him. They sat Boulware who has a wealth of athletic talent and genetics and continued to play Hamlin.

He's apparently solid. Obviously he's not an All Pro. Also he's not being counted on to return which says something. But it doesn't absolutely mean he's not worth having. Seattle knows he's going to get pretty big bucks and they're not going to pony up that much. From what I've read they have the safety position reasonably well covered without depending on Hamlin.

And he's not had clubs drooling all over him.

I just don't know what to think. As always we'll have to trust people who know him and have seen game film. They're the only ones to truly know how good he is. We're all left with worrying out loud on a forum.
Personally I hope they get him or another veteran safety to go into the season. We don't have any depth at safety nor a known starter opposite RW. So at the least he'll provide depth while providing the team with another option at FS. Problem with that is you don't want to pay 5-10 million for a backup. Hence the quote about FS holding the Cowboys hostage.

Jerry needs to get this one right. Doing the right thing here will rub off some more tarnish on his rep as a GM.

Hopefully we'll all have a good idea before next December.

I feel the same way. What choice do we really have but to trust Wade & Co.? If they really think Hamlin would be a positive addition, I'm going to go w/ it and give them a chance to prove they know what they're talking about.....

 

[5mics]

I know those two fans, and they are pretty even-handed. It seemed to me those quotes were mostly complimentary. Being an average FS is not a terrible thing. I would have loved to have average back there the past 2 years, lol

Got that right!

 

[eduncan22]

IMHO you don't know what you are talking about.

Post some videos again if you like.

Ok. By request....

This is some of the sorriest excuse for DB coverage you'll ever see.

Do you really think this guy is worth $11 Million?

http://i89.***BLOCKED***/albums/k215/eduncan22/th_HenryGetsBurntbySaints.jpg

 

[BigDFan5]

Ok. By request....

This is some of the sorriest excuse for DB coverage you'll ever see.

Do you really think this guy is worth $11 Million?

I am seriosuly thinking you are in love with Henry and he rejected your advances

 

[big dog cowboy]

 

[Big Dakota]

Exactly who was our clear cut free safety and strong safety between James Washington and Darren Woodson when we were winning Superbowls? As far as I remember, James "drive by" Washington was known for his hits. I don't recall him being a premiere cover safety. In fact, he started at strong safety before Woody unseated him.

Or is Roy so limited that we couldn't get by with that kind of tandem again?

I agree and here's why. It's about getting pressure. We all know these DBs get limited more and more each year. If you get pressure like we did in the 70's and early 90's, gee, ya seem to win SBs. Roy and Hamlin will be great if we get a consistent rush, just like Woody and Washington were.

 

[Big Dakota]

There is a problem with this:

FA's cost a lot of money.

He'll make more than Watkins. [Watkins will make 400k + this year....]

There'll be pressure to start him over Watkins [why sign him for $$$, and then not start him?]

This is the same strategy that got us Henry and A Glenn [IMHO, both of these guys can not play Corner in the NFL]

You end up with a player, making tons of $$$, and not playing.

Is it your money?

Are you in Stephen Jone's office and know EXACTLY what is going on with the budget in the next few years?

Dude, do yourself a favor and quite worrying and leave the cap/budget to the pros.

OBTW, FYI, noone gets in cap trouble in this era.

 

[eduncan22]

Is it your money?

Are you in Stephen Jone's office and know EXACTLY what is going on with the budget in the next few years?

Dude, do yourself a favor and quite worrying and leave the cap/budget to the pros.

OBTW, FYI, noone gets in cap trouble in this era.

Let me explain something....

It is my money that I am spending on this team.

Therefore, I get to have a fans voice, concerning my team.

In fact, after investing 30 years of my life watching this team, I can pretty much worry about anything I want to.

 

[Big Dakota]

Let me explain something....

It is my money that I am spending on this team.

Therefore, I get to have a fans voice, concerning my team.

In fact, after investing 30 years of my life watching this team, I can pretty much worry about anything I want to.

Worry to your heart's content :geek:


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