Ken Hamlin visiting Dallas on Wed.

[Bob Sacamano]

Or we could have Watkins on the bench where he belongs.

fine, I'm just playing around w/ it, just imagining the possibilities

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

from his scouting report:

He has the ability to play both a traditional free safety and strong safety, but he is better suited as a free safety. Hamlin does a good job of getting in the box and is productive in his pass rush and blitzing.

I know it includes that he's better suited at FS, but he can run the responsibilities of a SS as well

SCouting report from where? the guy has never played FS in his life.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

fine, I'm just playing around w/ it, just imagining the possibilities

And the last thing you want ot have to imagine is Watkins playing centerfield. Hes like a deer in the headlights unsure of which side to roll his coverage too until after the ball is thrown. His recognition is horrible and it is the same knock he had at FSU.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

SCouting report from where? the guy has never played FS in his life.

from InmanRoshi's post, near the end of page 5 in this thread

 

[Bob Sacamano]

And the last thing you want ot have to imagine is Watkins playing centerfield. Hes like a deer in the headlights unsure of which side to roll his coverage too until after the ball is thrown. His recognition is horrible and it is the same knock he had at FSU.

idk, guess I have more faith in Wade Phillips and Brian Stewart as teachers than you do

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

idk, guess I have more faith in Wade Phillips and Brian Stewart as teachers than you do

Bowden and Parcells couldnt do it maybe they can maybe they cant.

He may learn but his instincts are horrid.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bowden and Parcells couldnt do it maybe they can maybe they cant.

He may learn but his instincts are horrid.

college coaching? c'mon now

and BP had exactly 1 year to work w/ him

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

college coaching? c'mon now

and BP had exactly 1 year to work w/ him

Its Florida state not North Texas. Bottomline is that two well resoected prominent coaches couldnt get him to get it in 5 years and miraculously hes going to start playing instinctively?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Its Florida state not North Texas. Bottomline is that two well resoected prominent coaches couldnt get him to get it in 5 years and miraculously hes going to start playing instinctively?

not miraculously, maybe just through the coaching of some fine teachers in Wade Phillips, Brian Stewart and Todd Bowles

we can end this discussion right here, you don't think Watkins will ever get it, and I say w/ NFL coaching, there is a chance, forget college coaching, noone goes by that in the pros, that's why most rookies are re-taught once they get into the NFL, and are you seriously holding Watkins not getting it as a rookie, against him?

 

[5mics]

Kind of funny listening to everyone just repeat say over and over that Hamlin is a natural SS, considering he's played FS his entire career in the NFL. He also played free safety his entire career in college.



Again, it just all boils down to we've become so accustomed that youre either a good hitter or a good cover guy that we can't wrap our minds around the idea that a guy can be both. Sadly, we've gotten too accustomed to one dimensional, limited players.

I was wondering when someone would actually post the TRUTH regarding Hamlin's FS ability rather than perpetuating the lies......THANK YOU I.R.!!!

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I believe if we sign Ken Hamlin, we really don't need to draft a safety in the first round. We could trade down to acquire more picks if one of those dominant wide receivers ain't there like Jarrett or Ginn.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Can he cover? NO.....guess he will backup Roy!

 

[superpunk]

Quotes from actual Seahawks fans....FWIW

Ask me, being a fan of his former team, and he's MUCH better suited to a strong safety role. But he could be a great FS in the right system.

Only real concern is how far back from the massive head trauma of a year and a half ago is he... he definately regressed a bit last season, especially in coverage.

He's above average in coverage, but like Roy he's better suited closer to the LOS.

I STILL have no idea why we didn't resign him and move him to SS, especially in the new coverage scheme's Mora's supposed to be putting in...

He's way too inconsistent in coverage. The numbers look good, but we all know that numbers don't tell the whole story. As Yen pointed out and as I've said since he's been drafted, he'd make a much better SS than FS. Therein lies the problem as you don't need a SS with Williams already onboard. In the right system, he could be a good fit at FS, but he'd be much better served at SS.

I certainly thought he'd be gone within the first week of free agency for the potential he'd bring at being a SS for some team. But it's basically been dead silence concerning Hamlin. The only teams I heard that were interested were Jacksonville, New Orleans, and now Dallas.

He's been a good player, but certainly not great. I personally thought we'd be getting another Steve Atwater-type player, but he's been far from it. I thought we should have re-signed him to play SS, but obviously the coaches know more about him than I do. We could have afforded it, but I think Seattle's aim was to get better in pass coverage at the safety position, and Grant and Russell will help provide that.

 

[burmafrd]

I wonder how much his head injury plays into this; both the Seahags letting him go and his play last season?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I wonder how much his head injury plays into this; both the Seahags letting him go and his play last season?

I wonder the same thing. Could Hamlin have some improvement in him as he recovers from that very serious injury? Could that be the type of injury that takes a full year to recover from?

I think people forget how good he was as a rookie. He's one of those players who came out a year too early -- he almost surely would have been a first rounder if he'd stayed for his senior year.

And FZ... You always say people call you angry and you don't understand why. Well, it's because you sure sound like you are. It's fair to say that Hamlin would be an upgrade over Watkins if that's your opinion, but you sure are tough on a guy who was a rookie last year. I'm not sure how it matters that Watkins was coached by Bowden and Parcells, either. If you wanted to, you could say the same things about Carpenter and Fasano, who both had excellent coaching at big-time programs in college but didn't exactly play to perfection.

 

[5mics]

Quotes from actual Seahawks fans....FWIW

Exactly why I don't pay attention to this type of chatter. It's coming from fans of a former player's team. Look at what was said here about Fowler when he left. Trashed him as soon as the ink was dry in Tennessee. BIG grain of salt w/ "fans" opinions......FWIW

 

[superpunk]

Exactly why I don't pay attention to this type of chatter. It's coming from fans of a former player's team. Look at what was said here about Fowler when he left. Trashed him as soon as the ink was dry in Tennessee. BIG grain of salt w/ "fans" opinions......FWIW

Did you read the same quotes I did?

Seemed pretty reasonable analysis, to me.

 

[jobberone]

I don't have any quotes but I do remember reading a lot of press about him being a better SS than FS.

Perhaps this is all perpetuated myth.

I think what many of us fear is spending money on a safety who cannot cover well. If you're gonna put Roy near the LOS somebody needs to cover well back there and we probably need to draft a couple of CBs to compete with our backups.

You can't blitz a lot without being able to cover. Newman can do it. Henry can if he's not lost a step. Reeves and Jones have been here awhile and haven't shown me much. They're at the point they need to fish or cut bait. Our third CB is in his last year or maybe two.

I'm definitely growing on the idea of drafting at least one CB maybe two. That idea takes off even more if they pick Hamlin up before the draft.

 

[5mics]

Did you read the same quotes I did?

Seemed pretty reasonable analysis, to me.

Now c'mon SP, you know darn well as I do that fans are not the best source of analysis when it comes to their former players. It's mostly slash and burn poorly disguised as "objective" analysis. Heck, we see it here when it comes to our own former players, most recently Fowler. Most everyone here have said to trust Wade. Well, Wade brought Hamlin in for a look and could possibly green-light signing him so would we no longer trust his judgement if the signing were to occur? Can't have it both ways.....

 

[InmanRoshi]

I think the nuts and bolts of it is Roy isn't going to play that much around the line of scrimmage, no matter who the FS is. The bottomline is when you have so many teams using spread formations with multiple WR's and three times more athletic TE's in the league then there were even five years ago, you need both safeties back. No ifs, ands or buts.


But as far as "complimenting" Roy, its strange that the Seahawk braintrust would draft a college LB like Michael Boulware and convert him to SS if they really felt that Hamlin was a strong safety masquerading as a free.