Keyshawn/Bledsoe threads merged

[NovaCowboy]

and what are you gonna do, grandpa?

I just did.

 

[Redball Express]

I respect your take but think it's over-reactive, particuarly the 'thug behavior' aspect.

Key is very volatile, always was - always will be, Yes, it is incumbent upon him to try and control his emotions. But his fiery nature is a very positive ingredient in the team mix, I think. We NEED it.

IMO Bledsoe, was flat out wrong to say anything at all critical to a ten year vet who hangs his pride on winning, and saying it immediately after that type of play, when the receiver is already abashed. It's humiilating enough to lose the ball in that fashion, on national tv, in front of the home town fans. No one needs the added value of a 'learn to hold on" in full view of the cameras.

A rook or young player, go ahead, and make him aware of what you think he did wrong. But Keyshawn Johnson has earned the privilege of not being talked down to.

You don't condescend to a peer. Had I been Key, I'd have told him to go F himself in no uncertain terms. You don't talk down to and shame a fellow vet publically. And if you feel you have to make a point, you wait til he cools down, and do it privately.

Bledsoe has always had this "I'm never at fault" problen,. THAT is what I hope does not rear its ugly head here, because it colored his previous tenures in NE and Buffalo. He is patronizing by by nature and that's why his particular brand of leadership has never been very successful.

With as good a game as Drew had today, with the score so far ahead, why did Bledsoe even consider making a remark..especially since the play itself was not clear cut on Johnson?

Go be the man with Copper or Rector. That won't fly with Johnson, who has to respect the QB he works with, and expects respect in return.

As Troy said, no big deal, and it will blow over, but it was Drew who was wrong, not Key. Bledsoe is the one who needs the attitude adjustment, if anyone does. My guess is Drew has already apologized.

There is no thuggery here that I see..just a dynamic and charismatic player refusing to be treated like a rookie.

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.

I live down here in Florida and watched Key's behavior and attitiude problems closely when he played in TB and he pulled the same crap there that he is starting to pull in Dallas.

When Dallas announced they were interested in him, I realized they were searching desparately for a PR, but Key is a very calculated risk.

Before Key left TB, everybody, the coaches to the fans hated the guy for his attitiude, selfishness and poor team committment.

It was much the same in NY.

He hasn't changed. Sorry. He's just in a place where they don't know him well yet in Dallas, with a coach and team that is so desparate to win, they are willing to look the other way when it comes to Key and his behaviour.

He's a distraction waiting to happen. In his prime, Key was another TO.

Tell me what you think of TO..?

He can divide a team quicker than you could believe...you are seing it happen in Philly right now with the off-season TO put them thru. Key did much the same to TB the year after they won their only SB.

If he isn't the focal point of the offense he'll go into a slump. Terry Glenn's emergence is probably grinding on Key and has something to do with the outburst. Just my personal feeling.

Glenn and Bledsoe are carrying the offense and Key has made several great plays, but he doesn't break open games like Glenn can and he rarely gets double-coverage like Witten or Glenn. Key doesn't get the respect from the opposing teams.

He needs to be darn sure he doesn't lose it from his own team.

Key thinks he's the number one WR, trust me. And he will always tell you so...even if he's not.

And he's well aware of the fact even the team was concerned about his play and brought in Peerless Price.

So I think you are seeing the tip of the iceberg with Key and him feeling some pressure from all this and again..

I'd say..

Key..beware.

Even BP will only take so much. Bledsoe can do little wrong in BP's eyes. The guy is leading the league with his play.

Key..on the other hand..is basically leading with his mouth..again.

parcellswaterboy

 

[LaTunaNostra]

You are the queen of end of discussion - LOL



Drew is going to do it again - He got in the face of a guy who made a critical fumble! Great leadership - something lacking in Dallas for 10 years!


Go Drew! LTN and Miki - this has to suck all the success Drew is living!

Laugh!

All the success Bill is having re-creating Drew again, you mean?

I'm just glad Tuna isn't being brought down by one of the more adept coach killers in the league...so every completion, every yard, every win is even more glory for Bill Parcells.

He's doing what Carroll, Zampese, Mumbles, Gilbride, Williams, and potentially Malarkey could not.

Keep his job and play Drew Bledsoe. :laugh2:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

We're going to agree to disagree on this one.

Yes, we are going to have to disagree on this one.

I live in NE and have caught Bledsoe's 'nothing is ever my fault' act just as you caught Key's act in Florida.

We've got two good players who are not perfect. You see thuggery in one; I see undue arrogance in another.

But they're both 'OUR' players, and we could do far worse.

We could have TO and Jeff George issues.

So as Troy suggested, I'm willing to let this one go - the players are, I'd wager.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Keyshawn Johnson, Drew Bledsoe, AND Bill Parcells... all 3 of them don't give a **** about it, and they've moved on

leave it to cowboylover and parcellswaterboy to waste their time caring

***, dude? What's your problem.

I said it was a non issue.

I gave my opinion about Key. I like they guy. I really do. He just needs to shut up now and then.


I also think using this to bag on Bledsoe is dumb.

ANd you're post?...what a moron it's a discussion board, silly.

 

[Nors]

LMAO Nors...and a year from now I am sure we will be be a better tea m with Henson. :laugh2:

Want a mulligan? Bledsoe beat out Henson fair and square and will do so for as far as he feels like playing. Not even close - in fact Romo had beat Henson ourt last 2 years as #2. You and Miki are taking it in the muffler on Bledsoe sux rants....lol

 

[Kilyin]

Purcells has Keyshawn in line. It's probably a father figure role that Gruden couldn't fill, but Key looked like a little boy on the sideline when Bill was yellin' at him after the argument. His expression changed quick, when he saw dad was mad.

 

[ScottCase]

Want a mulligan? Bledsoe beat out Henson fair and square and will do so for as far as he feels like playing. Not even close - in fact Romo had beat Henson ourt last 2 years as #2. You and Miki are taking it in the muffler on Bledsoe sux rants....lol

People are still talking about America's biggest fraud : Drew Henson??? OMG! Give it a rest!!! He's only here b/c a face save for JJ.

 

[SupermanXx]

what a moron it's a discussion board, silly.

:laugh2:

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Want a mulligan? Bledsoe beat out Henson fair and square and will do so for as far as he feels like playing. Not even close - in fact Romo had beat Henson ourt last 2 years as #2. You and Miki are taking it in the muffler on Bledsoe sux rants....lol

Nors seriously, I'm thrilled with Drew's 'comeback' this year..tho he won't qualify for the official 'Comeback of the Year" award the other Drew won last season.

Love the game he's playing lately, but personally, I will never care for him, not until just once, just once I see him take another player's back. Just once, be it on the field as Key did with Terry last season, or back a guy up who's having contract issues or whatnot.

Like Aikman did with Irvin, no matter what hot water Mike got himself into, did he ever ever ever doubt, Troy loved him?

Seeing those guys at the ROH with their arms around each other, the glances between them..that comes with winning and with rings and with success, but it is also the measure of the man himself - something more than football, a human bonding and a warrior's regard for what was gone thru together.
The same kind of deep regard that brings Tuna's ex-players flocking to him, or long retired ones getting teary talking about what the experience of playing for him meant.

None of that almost mystical regard of one teammate for another has ever been a part of the Bledsoe persona, story, or game. And that's too bad, for him.

Too bad Bledsoe never got to experience what Aikman or Tom Brady did - but leadership is what more than anything does separate Troy and Tom from Drew. Leadership is what Brady brought to NE that Drew had not. And sadly, when I see Drew's first reaction is to play the blame game, in some mistaken idea that public demonstrations of pecking order is what commands respect, I see the spectre of his failed leadership in NE rear its head. I see what was lacking and why that team so readily embraced a sixth round nobody.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time. For one thing, I admire what Key made of himself and knowing where he came from, and what a survivor he is, the journey he had to take to success fuels my admiration even more. Both players are damn good men and give back a lot to the community, but for Keyshawn, it's a double victory to be able to do so. And I love how Key connects.

Johnson is genuine and just, well, my kinda guy, and whether he's a Jet, Buc, or Cowboy, I love him.

So okay, you've got a mulligan.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL

 

[BlueWave]

Nors seriously, I'm thrilled with Drew's 'comeback' this year..tho he won't qualify for the official 'Comeback of the Year" award the other Drew won last season.

Love the game he's playing lately, but personally, I will never care for him, not until just once, just once I see him take another player's back. Just once, be it on the field as Key did with Terry last season, or back a guy up who's having contract issues or whatnot.

Like Aikman did with Irvin, no matter what hot water Mike got himself into, did he ever ever ever doubt, Troy loved him?

Seeing those guys at the ROH with their arms around each other, the glances between them..that comes with winning and with rings and with success, but it is also the measure of the man himself - something more than football, a human bonding and a warrior's regard for what was gone thru together.
The same kind of deep regard that brings Tuna's ex-players flocking to him, or long retired ones getting teary talking about what the experience of playing for him meant.

None of that almost mystical regard of one teammate for another has ever been a part of the Bledsoe persona, story, or game. And that's too bad, for him.

Too bad Bledsoe never got to experience what Aikman or Tom Brady did - but leadership is what more than anything does separate Troy and Tom from Drew. Leadership is what Brady brought to NE that Drew had not. And sadly, when I see Drew's first reaction is to play the blame game, in some mistaken idea that public demonstrations of pecking order is what commands respect, I see the spectre of his failed leadership in NE rear its head. I see what was lacking and why that team so readily embraced a sixth round nobody.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time. For one thing, I admire what Key made of himself and knowing where he came from, and what a survivor he is, the journey he had to take to success fuels my admiration even more. Both players are damn good men and give back a lot to the community, but for Keyshawn, it's a double victory to be able to do so. And I love how Key connects.

Johnson is genuine and just, well, my kinda guy, and whether he's a Jet, Buc, or Cowboy, I love him.

So okay, you've got a mulligan.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL

Please. Bledsoe is a true leader who isn't afraid to call attention to poor execution. That doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes. All players do. But he's a competitor and Johnson is as well. They will appreciate that about each other as time goes on. It's what makes them great.

By the way, Bledsoe could not have been a better soldier in regrd to the whole Brady incident. Handled it perfectly.

 

[Redball Express]

Yes, we are going to have to disagree on this one.

I live in NE and have caught Bledsoe's 'nothing is ever my fault' act just as you caught Key's act in Florida.

We've got two good players who are not perfect. You see thuggery in one; I see undue arrogance in another.

But they're both 'OUR' players, and we could do far worse.

We could have TO and Jeff George issues.

So as Troy suggested, I'm willing to let this one go - the players are, I'd wager.

Hey LTN..

we agree to agree here..

This whole team is lead by a merry band of Parcells gypses trying to give it one last shot before their careers fade.

Therefore, it's not surprising that we'd have a disagreement from two BP guys that have had a hard time admitting they do anything that's their fault.

I think they both get it from their coach, BP.

Another guy who never admits he's wrong..until it's so obvious to the rest of the world that he HAS to change.

So we'll see if these guys can keep their egos out of the mix and play this season for the team.

What a concept.

The team.

Not the individuals.

Haven't had that since '95.

Still waiting to see if we have one yet.

Team that is.

I know we have the individuals. Just watch the ESPN highlight reel all this week.

We'll see.

Later.

parcellswaterboy

 

[NovaCowboy]

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time.

With that logic, I see no further need to debate this subject.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

It is good to see them talking......being a young team.....trying to make the playoffs.....we need all players on the same page......We kicked some beagles butt huh?

 

[dannywhites]

Very amusing thread.But to put this all in perspective,this is Bledsoe's team,pure and simple.
It simply does not matter how long he has been here,because when all is said and done,Parcells will do anything he has to do to win.
And plain and simple,Bledsoe is more important to this team than Johnson,and Parsells knows that.

 

[Irving Cowboy]

Very amusing thread.But to put this all in perspective,this is Bledsoe's team,pure and simple.
It simply does not matter how long he has been here,because when all is said and done,Parcells will do anything he has to do to win.
And plain and simple,Bledsoe is more important to this team than Johnson,and Parsells knows that.

Very amusing reply. I wonder if you realize how you contradicted yourself in such a short post.

 

[Nors]

Nors seriously, I'm thrilled with Drew's 'comeback' this year..tho he won't qualify for the official 'Comeback of the Year" award the other Drew won last season.

Love the game he's playing lately, but personally, I will never care for him, not until just once, just once I see him take another player's back. Just once, be it on the field as Key did with Terry last season, or back a guy up who's having contract issues or whatnot.

Like Aikman did with Irvin, no matter what hot water Mike got himself into, did he ever ever ever doubt, Troy loved him?

Seeing those guys at the ROH with their arms around each other, the glances between them..that comes with winning and with rings and with success, but it is also the measure of the man himself - something more than football, a human bonding and a warrior's regard for what was gone thru together.
The same kind of deep regard that brings Tuna's ex-players flocking to him, or long retired ones getting teary talking about what the experience of playing for him meant.

None of that almost mystical regard of one teammate for another has ever been a part of the Bledsoe persona, story, or game. And that's too bad, for him.

Too bad Bledsoe never got to experience what Aikman or Tom Brady did - but leadership is what more than anything does separate Troy and Tom from Drew. Leadership is what Brady brought to NE that Drew had not. And sadly, when I see Drew's first reaction is to play the blame game, in some mistaken idea that public demonstrations of pecking order is what commands respect, I see the spectre of his failed leadership in NE rear its head. I see what was lacking and why that team so readily embraced a sixth round nobody.

Yes, I'd take Keyshawn Johnson and his 'thuggery' over Drew Bledsoe and his brand of leadership every time. For one thing, I admire what Key made of himself and knowing where he came from, and what a survivor he is, the journey he had to take to success fuels my admiration even more. Both players are damn good men and give back a lot to the community, but for Keyshawn, it's a double victory to be able to do so. And I love how Key connects.

Johnson is genuine and just, well, my kinda guy, and whether he's a Jet, Buc, or Cowboy, I love him.

So okay, you've got a mulligan.

But don't think for a minute Key couldn't wipe the floor with Drew in a heartbeat. LOL

You are jaded. I saw Bledsoe take this offense on his back and beat the Eagles yesterday. 51 other teamates are quitely applauding Drew for getting in Keys face. He screwed up and mistakes like that cost us victories. Key is immature - I can look past his offfield issues, arrests, etc. But you chest thunping for a "thuggery" Key over Drew is flawed. GRUDEN Just sent him home. Price is on the wing.....

Bledsoe had Brady's back. Your allegations are offbase and unfounded.

 

[Tripod]

Remind me not to read your posts again. I think you've gone off the deep end in your attempt to justify your hate for Bledsoe and your predictions gone wrong.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Wow. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion. I've played football - not at a professional level, mind you, but the point still stands - and I've yelled at players in the heat of the moment. It didn't really mean anything at a PERSONAL level at that point and it's not going to mean anything afterwards.

Bledsoe will throw interceptions (let's hope not a lot), and Keyshawn (once again, let's hope not a lot) will fumble again. People make mistakes. These types of heated discussions just serve as wake up calls and rarely lead to issues later. It's only if people continuously start pointing out eath other's mistakes one after the other. And with BP around, I'm expecting that to NEVER happen, especially with two former players who respect him as much as they do.

 

[LaTunaNostra]

Hey LTN..

we agree to agree here..

This whole team is lead by a merry band of Parcells gypses trying to give it one last shot before their careers fade.

Therefore, it's not surprising that we'd have a disagreement from two BP guys that have had a hard time admitting they do anything that's their fault.

I think they both get it from their coach, BP.

Another guy who never admits he's wrong..until it's so obvious to the rest of the world that he HAS to change.

So we'll see if these guys can keep their egos out of the mix and play this season for the team.

What a concept.

The team.

Not the individuals.

Haven't had that since '95.

Still waiting to see if we have one yet.

Team that is.

I know we have the individuals. Just watch the ESPN highlight reel all this week.

We'll see.

Later.

parcellswaterboy

I know you want Crayton and Price starting over Terry and Key, and the Parcells vets brought in don't float your boat, but for this year at least, we need ALL the Parcells Guys playing well and epitomizing 'team'.

Tom Jackson said last night that Bledsoe was 'at fault' and I more than concur. But this won't be more than a blip on the radar screen and might even prove positive...at the very least the players won't take it as seriously as we have.

One more note re Johnson. Danny White attended the game and wrote a post describing the extent of KJ being used as a blocker yesterday. Bledsoe and JJ needed all the protection they could get in that game, and the Eagles could not touch him. Which is a large reason why we won.

Part of that success in blocking goes to Key. He's not just one of the best blocking receivers in the league, but submerges his ego to open the game up for team mates. And relishes it.

My last word on this, and it won't change.

Key didn't merit being called out like a schoolboy yesterday.