Kidd to the mavs deal almost complete!!

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Deavean George exercises his no-trade clause :lmao2:

He might have just saved the team if:

1. Mavs still don't get Kidd without giving up George. George is terrible. But i'd rather keep him if it means not giving up Harris and Diop and draft picks.

2. Players can get over their hurt feelings about being traded.
 

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3244818

Mavs forward George blocks trade of Kidd to Mavs

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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Updated: February 13, 2008, 8:57 PM ET
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With the New Jersey Nets poised to complete a blockbuster deal to send Jason Kidd back to Dallas on Wednesday night, Mavericks reserve forward Devean George has unexpectedly exercised his right to block the trade, according to NBA front-office sources. Sources close to the situation told ESPN.com that the teams verbally agreed to the deal earlier Wednesday and were preparing to submit the trade for league approval when George informed the Mavericks that he wouldn't consent to being included in the deal, which is his right based on a rare provision in his one-year contract.

No Kidding Around

Jason Kidd, despite being a month away from turning 35, is still producing at a high level. Only two others, Magic Johnson and Oscar Robertson, have met his averages (below) over the course of a season, and they did so in their early- and mid-20s.

Kidd by the numbers
Career 2007-08
Points 14.3 11.3
Assists 9.2 10.4
Rebounds 6.7 8.1
FG Pct. 40.1 *36.6
*Career worst
The deal -- salvaged from talks on a three-way trade with Portland that developed and fizzled quickly two weeks ago -- has Dallas sending 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, veteran swingman Jerry Stackhouse, the expiring contracts of center DeSagana Diop and George and guard Maurice Ager to New Jersey for Kidd and forward Malik Allen.

Sources say Dallas would also send the Nets the league-maximum $3 million, the Mavs' first-round draft pick this June and a first-rounder in 2010.

Kidd was with the Nets in Toronto, but didn't talk to the media before the game. He and Allen were both inactive, along with reserve Antoine Wright.

ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reports that the Nets and the Mavs were likewise poised to complete a separate trade that will send swingman Wright to Dallas for a future second-round pick.

Before Dallas' game against Portland on Wednesday night, Mavs coach Avery Johnson wasn't ready to call the trade complete.

"What trade?" he asked reporters, then added, "all it is is speculation."

Dallas had widely been considered the favorite to win the Kidd trade sweepstakes, despite the repeated attempts of Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to publicly dismiss the idea of parting with multiple regulars for Kidd. Cuban told several New York-based reporters before New Jersey beat Dallas on Sunday that a deal for All-Star floor leader would severely weaken his roster.

"For us to make the numbers work in a deal like that, we'd have to trade away half the team," Cuban said. "We're not doing that, so it just doesn't work. And we like our team. We've got a lot of room for improvement and we hope to get better. But right now, I just don't see anything happening.

Yet sources close to the process insist that the talks had heated up within the past 24 hours, with the Mavs still tantalized by the prospect of bringing Kidd back more than a decade after the pre-Cuban regime drafted him out of Cal, watched him share rookie of the year honors with Grant Hill in 1994-95 and then traded him to Phoenix on the day after Christmas in 1996.

Stackhouse's agent told him he was on the move.

"Now I think it's pretty much a done deal," Stackhouse told The Associated Press earlier Wednesday.

The Nets were expected to buy out Stackhouse's contract immediately, which would have enabled him to re-sign with Dallas if he waits 30 days.

"I feel great. I get 30 days to rest, then I'll be right back," Stackhouse said. "I ain't going nowhere."

That might be more true than he knew.

Senior writer Marc Stein covers the NBA for ESPN.com.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if it still happens. Just keep George and put Hassell in his place. I hope I'm wrong. I don't like the trade either. They better win the championship in the next 2 years or they'll look like idiots. Who will be the point when Kidd retires. He turns 35 soon. Man, I liked Harris too. Alot. I think Cuban is panicking right now.
 

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i don't know if nets would do it for hassell. the reason they wanted george is that he was an expiring contract.

i want a real SG not Kidd.

Our shooting guards are basically Eddie Jones, Stackhouse, Jet (when harris is on the floor), and Ager (when he's not trimming his nails on the bench).

man, if only we got grant hill in the offseason and not eddie jones.

man, even Azubuike would have been great. He was playing for the Fort Worth D-league team. he easily could have been a mav.
 

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basketball trades like this and the garnett one are just stupid to me. but this one is beyond stupid. garnett is one of the best players in the game. kidd is good but he's not worth what dallas is giving up for him.
 

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Rampage;1955043 said:
basketball trades like this and the garnett one are just stupid to me. but this one is beyond stupid. garnett is one of the best players in the game. kidd is good but he's not worth what dallas is giving up for him.

That is the only way to get players with big salaries. You have to give up a lot to match the money up. It does seem like a bad deal.

Why give Devean George a contract with a no trade clause? Way to negotiate there Cuban.
 

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thekavorka;1954951 said:
i don't know if nets would do it for hassell. the reason they wanted george is that he was an expiring contract.

i want a real SG not Kidd.

Our shooting guards are basically Eddie Jones, Stackhouse, Jet (when harris is on the floor), and Ager (when he's not trimming his nails on the bench).

man, if only we got grant hill in the offseason and not eddie jones.

man, even Azubuike would have been great. He was playing for the Fort Worth D-league team. he easily could have been a mav.

I agree. I, as well as most Mavs fans outside of BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1.com, how this does not go down. I think it will be a monumental idiotic move by us. I hope you're right on the Hassell situation.
 

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joseephuss;1955234 said:
Why give Devean George a contract with a no trade clause? Way to negotiate there Cuban.
That's not on Cuban. That's on the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Now Cuban should have asked him if he wanted to be traded.
 

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god i really hope the mavs pull this trade off, the only two teams that worry me in a playoff series are the mavs and pistons, and this move makes them super weak against the spurs. but i gotta tell you, it makes them better against teams like phoenix and golden state
 

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Mavs Man;1954995 said:
Whoo hoo!

I'm lovin' me some Devean George!

:D
Really??

I kind of liked the idea of this trade.

Of course, I hate losing Devin (Harris of course). But Kidd doesn't seem to have the nagging injuries most 35 year old PGs have. he could have been a Mav for a few more years.

The only other guy I would be mildly concerned with giving up would be Gana. But only for defensive purposes. He's useless on offense, and Damp's been playing a LOT better this year.

I fully believe Stack was going to come back in a month. George? come on. Mo Ager was never going to get off the bench here. Where would he be playing with Howard, Jet, Stack, Jones all at the 2/3 spots?

Those draft picks would be worthless as well. NBA draft picks aren't like NFL draft picks. If you're not top 10-20, the odds of them contributing in the first 3 years are slim.

So basically in my mind, this deal was Kidd for Harris and Diop. Pretty good deal if you ask me.
 

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peplaw06;1955495 said:
Really??

I kind of liked the idea of this trade.

Of course, I hate losing Devin (Harris of course). But Kidd doesn't seem to have the nagging injuries most 35 year old PGs have. he could have been a Mav for a few more years.

The only other guy I would be mildly concerned with giving up would be Gana. But only for defensive purposes. He's useless on offense, and Damp's been playing a LOT better this year.

I fully believe Stack was going to come back in a month. George? come on. Mo Ager was never going to get off the bench here. Where would he be playing with Howard, Jet, Stack, Jones all at the 2/3 spots?

Those draft picks would be worthless as well. NBA draft picks aren't like NFL draft picks. If you're not top 10-20, the odds of them contributing in the first 3 years are slim.

So basically in my mind, this deal was Kidd for Harris and Diop. Pretty good deal if you ask me.

I admit I feel a little bit better about the trade this morning (IF Stackhouse returns). But I don't see how this really helps the Mavs.

Kidd is a much better passer and rebounder than Devin, and brings much needed toughness and leadership, but his shot is awful (40%) and he's clearly in the twilight of his career, whereas Devin is younger, faster, cheaper, and a better defender at this point in their careers.

(I do like that Kidd can guard bigger guards that would help us match up better with Baron Davis, Dwayne Wade, etc. who have burned us so badly in the past.)

Kidd should open up the offense a bit and give Dirk and Howard better looks at the basket. But he's not magically going to turn this team into a bunch of slashers ala Nash with the Suns. He gets most of his assists off of alley oops and transition passes on fast breaks, while this is still a jump shooting team and Devin is one of the few (along with Bass) who takes it to the basket with any frequency.

In essence this trade allows us to match up with a bigger lineup, but without Diop (and considering how much Damp is out or in foul trouble, that hurts) and Devin we're slower and older, with a marginally better chance at winning a championship this year at the expense of our future. Not enough bang for the buck, imo.
 

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Kidd helps us defend against bigger guards, but Harris is better with guys like Nash and Parker. So I don't know.

And there's speculation that if Diop leaves, we'd sign PJ Brown or something. What's funny is that if PJ comes in, he'd be our best low-post threat :bang2:

Kidd would only work if Avery actually implements a real offensive system.

I still think SG is a more glaring need.
 

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StylisticS;1955237 said:
I agree. I, as well as most Mavs fans outside of BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1.com, how this does not go down. I think it will be a monumental idiotic move by us. I hope you're right on the Hassell situation.

Spursreport.com is the place to be.
 

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StylisticS;1955241 said:
That's not on Cuban. That's on the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Now Cuban should have asked him if he wanted to be traded.

Does every player have a no trade clause in their contract? I had not heard that before.
 

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joseephuss;1956028 said:
Does every player have a no trade clause in their contract? I had not heard that before.


I thought I read that Kobe Bryant, and Chris Mihm are the only other 2 players in the league that have a no trade clause.
 
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