Kidd to the mavs deal almost complete!!
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I am starting to think this was a Cuban ruse to make it look like he was going to shake things up.....
But was just lighting a fire under his current roster - JMO
He concocted a crazy trade knowing it was not real to get pub. I'm Nets and I am pissed.
But was just lighting a fire under his current roster - JMO
He concocted a crazy trade knowing it was not real to get pub. I'm Nets and I am pissed.
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now the league is mad because of the comments that stackhouse made about coming back in 30 days...
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183
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MC KAos;1957093 said:
I think this is dead, dead, dead right now, unless they can whip up a Keith Van Horn sign and trade in place of Jerry Stackhouse. Sounds like the Mavs would only pull the trigger if they could get Stackhouse back, and that seems very unlikely now that the league suggested that the Mavs would not be allowed to re-sign him in this deal.
Really, I don't see the Nets getting back much in the way of salary cap relief, either, to HAVE to do this deal. My problem now is how much of a distraction has this been. Hopefully there aren't bruised ego from this mess.
Though, I could be optimistic and hope this kicks Devin Harris into another gear ala Tony Parker when the Kidd free agent signing rumors were lingering in San Antonio.
(By the way, I was wrong when I said Kidd shoots 40%. He is currently averaging less than 37% shooting. Harris shoots near 50%.)
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That 30 day rule is kind of silly. I don't see a problem with the Nets, Mavs and Stackhouse reaching an understanding about how things are going to work out. Isn't that part of negotiating a deal? It is very similar to doing a sign and trade deal. They negotiate the contracts of the player before the trade occurs.
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well, it looks like this trade is pretty much on life suport! the league has sent noticed to the mavs that they can include stack in the trade, but the caveman cant sign back with the mavs if he is released by the nets. The mavs are looking to S&T Van Horn and replace stack with hassell, but the Van Horn deal is tricky at this point because it would entail the mavs to take a big luxury tax hit and hassell has 2 years remaining in his deal, so the nets are relunctant to take him instead
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here we go again......
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3250819
Mavericks back on track with Nets to get Kidd
By Marc Stein
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Updated: February 17, 2008, 7:46 PM ET
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It's looking more and more like Jason Kidd's start for the road team in Sunday's NBA All-Star Game will indeed be his farewell to the Eastern Conference.
That's because the New Jersey Nets and Dallas Mavericks are again closing in on a deal that would send Kidd back to his original team, according to NBA front-office sources.
A reconfigured trade likely won't be submitted for league approval until Monday -- and is bound to draw a longer-than-usual examination from the league before it's approved after the many complications that derailed the teams' original agreement on Wednesday -- but sources say that the Mavericks and Nets have reached a tentative agreement on the two major changes to save the blockbuster swap.
Sources say Mavs swingman Trenton Hassell and the retired Keith Van Horn will be plugged into the trade in place of Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George. If the newly proposed deal goes through, New Jersey would receive 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, center DeSagana Diop, guard Maurice Ager, forwards Hassell and Van Horn, two first-round draft picks and $3 million in cash for Kidd and Nets forward Malik Allen.
To make up for the removal of George -- who blocked his inclusion by citing a little-known league rule that prevents certain players with one-year contracts from being traded without their consent -- Dallas has secured Van Horn's participation via sign-and-trade in George's place. Out of the game since the 2006 NBA Finals, Van Horn will be required to report to New Jersey and submit to a physical to complete the transaction, with sources adding that the amount Van Horn receives this season -- believed to be more than $4 million -- will not be pro-rated even though Van Horn would be joining the Nets with less than half the season remaining.
The Nets, meanwhile, have apparently given their blessing to taking Hassell from Dallas instead of Stackhouse. The Mavericks have been pushing for that switch since Friday in the wake of Stackhouse's quotes Wednesday that gave the impression that the teams had already arranged for the Nets to immediately buy out the 33-year-old's contract so the Mavericks could re-sign him after a 30-day waiting period.
It's believed that New Jersey had been resisting Hassell because his guaranteed salary in 2009-2010 ($4.4 million) is more than twice as much as Stackhouse's guarantee that season ($2 million) and because Hassell might be less amenable to a buyout than Stackhouse. But it looks as though the Nets will consent to the change to end a saga that had dragged on for days because George unexpectedly blocked the trade, even though they preferred the long-term financial implications of taking Stackhouse and buying him out.
If Van Horn's inclusion is sanctioned by the league Monday, this deal will likewise create a bigger luxury-tax bill for Mavs owner Mark Cuban than the original, with Dallas keeping Stackhouse and George.
At its core, though, both teams appear poised to ultimately get what they wanted in spite of a growing list of obstacles.
Dallas would come out of the protracted negotiations with an elite veteran point guard for the first time since Steve Nash's departure in the summer of 2004. Kidd's arrival also creates a foursome to rival any star core in the West -- along with Dirk Nowitzki, Josh Howard and Jason Terry -- and a likely antidote to the Mavericks' well-chronicled troubles with mental toughness, confidence and leadership in back-to-back playoff humblings by Miami and Golden State.
The bottom-line equation would stay the same for New Jersey as well, with Nets president Rod Thorn coming away with a highly regarded young point guard to replace Kidd in Harris, two expiring contracts (Diop and Van Horn) and the two first-round picks. It's a pretty good haul for a 34-year-old whose recent public disclosure that it was time for the Nets to trade him could have weakened Thorn's bargaining position.
Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3250819
Mavericks back on track with Nets to get Kidd
By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
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Updated: February 17, 2008, 7:46 PM ET
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It's looking more and more like Jason Kidd's start for the road team in Sunday's NBA All-Star Game will indeed be his farewell to the Eastern Conference.
That's because the New Jersey Nets and Dallas Mavericks are again closing in on a deal that would send Kidd back to his original team, according to NBA front-office sources.
A reconfigured trade likely won't be submitted for league approval until Monday -- and is bound to draw a longer-than-usual examination from the league before it's approved after the many complications that derailed the teams' original agreement on Wednesday -- but sources say that the Mavericks and Nets have reached a tentative agreement on the two major changes to save the blockbuster swap.
Sources say Mavs swingman Trenton Hassell and the retired Keith Van Horn will be plugged into the trade in place of Jerry Stackhouse and Devean George. If the newly proposed deal goes through, New Jersey would receive 24-year-old point guard Devin Harris, center DeSagana Diop, guard Maurice Ager, forwards Hassell and Van Horn, two first-round draft picks and $3 million in cash for Kidd and Nets forward Malik Allen.
To make up for the removal of George -- who blocked his inclusion by citing a little-known league rule that prevents certain players with one-year contracts from being traded without their consent -- Dallas has secured Van Horn's participation via sign-and-trade in George's place. Out of the game since the 2006 NBA Finals, Van Horn will be required to report to New Jersey and submit to a physical to complete the transaction, with sources adding that the amount Van Horn receives this season -- believed to be more than $4 million -- will not be pro-rated even though Van Horn would be joining the Nets with less than half the season remaining.
The Nets, meanwhile, have apparently given their blessing to taking Hassell from Dallas instead of Stackhouse. The Mavericks have been pushing for that switch since Friday in the wake of Stackhouse's quotes Wednesday that gave the impression that the teams had already arranged for the Nets to immediately buy out the 33-year-old's contract so the Mavericks could re-sign him after a 30-day waiting period.
It's believed that New Jersey had been resisting Hassell because his guaranteed salary in 2009-2010 ($4.4 million) is more than twice as much as Stackhouse's guarantee that season ($2 million) and because Hassell might be less amenable to a buyout than Stackhouse. But it looks as though the Nets will consent to the change to end a saga that had dragged on for days because George unexpectedly blocked the trade, even though they preferred the long-term financial implications of taking Stackhouse and buying him out.
If Van Horn's inclusion is sanctioned by the league Monday, this deal will likewise create a bigger luxury-tax bill for Mavs owner Mark Cuban than the original, with Dallas keeping Stackhouse and George.
At its core, though, both teams appear poised to ultimately get what they wanted in spite of a growing list of obstacles.
Dallas would come out of the protracted negotiations with an elite veteran point guard for the first time since Steve Nash's departure in the summer of 2004. Kidd's arrival also creates a foursome to rival any star core in the West -- along with Dirk Nowitzki, Josh Howard and Jason Terry -- and a likely antidote to the Mavericks' well-chronicled troubles with mental toughness, confidence and leadership in back-to-back playoff humblings by Miami and Golden State.
The bottom-line equation would stay the same for New Jersey as well, with Nets president Rod Thorn coming away with a highly regarded young point guard to replace Kidd in Harris, two expiring contracts (Diop and Van Horn) and the two first-round picks. It's a pretty good haul for a 34-year-old whose recent public disclosure that it was time for the Nets to trade him could have weakened Thorn's bargaining position.
Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.
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This trade is making my brain hurt.
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i like it too, before stack was coming back anyway, this time you guys are loosing hassell for good, and he is a decent defender, i still worry about a matchup with the mavs, jsut cuz its such an intense rivalry, but not as much as before if this trade goes down
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Well it will be big news and beyond
You just wait!
You just wait!
