King of inefficiency

[QuincyCarterEra]

You can save the OL excuses, there are plenty of worse run blocking OLs in this league

 

[America's Cowboy]

In before the Zeke blasting starts...

 

[khiladi]

This is utterly asinine. We’ve only played three games and two of them, Zeke was over 4 YPC. Game 3 obfuscated the stats, because it’s one game of 3. If you look on a game to game basis, the stats don’t convey this subjective cut off point of 10 and 10, especially since Zeke has two games of 22 carries each and this last one, he had 17. These Twitter stats reveal more about how cluelessly subjective people are in the numbers they try to make a case than anything else.

Dak had three TOs in the last game and should have had 4, because a DB dropped an easy INT right in his chest in what would have been Seattle scoring territory, and maybe5 on his bone-headed toss to his right, where there was nobody but multiple Seattle defenders, when he was spun around and about to get sacked in Dallas own territory once again.

And play action and the threat of Zeke in the backfield, “despite Zeke sucking” is still the only pass Dak does well, because defenses load the box and this mediocrity sees one safety all day. Dak is operating out of shotgun on first down regularly with Zeke in the backfield, which explains the ‘success of passing’ on that down. That’s the only real difference between Linehan and Moore, where Linehan ran it more on first than Moore. The QB is a joke.

The point about the RG is to force defenses into looks that the passing game should be able to exploit, which it still does because of “the king of inefficiency”. It’s not Zeke’s fault he has a mediocre QB.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Zeke got paid. That’s all. When was the last time you saw a Cowboys player get paid and still show up on game day? Zack Martin and Demarcus Ware are the two I can think off over the last 20 years.

 

[Jipper]

We have spent the majority of the theee games playing from behind and we just played the number 2 rush defense in the league....honestly the over reaction on such a small data set is asinine

 

[dckid]

You can save the OL excuses, there are plenty of worse run blocking OLs in this league

We still don't know how to use Zeke, or maybe I am just clueless. 95% of his carries come out of shotgun in the zone read formation. There seems to be zero movement in the line. He just pounds the ball for 5-7 yards. I never see him run through the line. Imagine if we had McVay or Shanahan leading the running game. Get some movement of the line shifting one way so he can get a cutback lane.
This guys is the most complete back in the league. Can we get him a pass that gives him room to run? Remember Steelers game his rookie season?
Let Zeke cook.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

We still don't know how to use Zeke, or maybe I am just clueless. 95% of his carries come out of shotgun in the zone read formation. There seems to be zero movement in the line. He just pounds the ball for 5-7 yards. I never see him run through the line. Imagine if we had McVay or Shanahan leading the running game. Get some movement of the line shifting one way so he can get a cutback lane.
This guys is the most complete back in the league. Can we get him a pass that gives him room to run? Remember Steelers game his rookie season?
Let Zeke cook.

That’s because Dak cannot operate from under center. He has a whopping 9 plays taken from under center rest has all been out of the shotgun so far, at some point you need to understand that you qbs ceiling is affecting your play calling.

 

[khiladi]

We still don't know how to use Zeke, or maybe I am just clueless. 95% of his carries come out of shotgun in the zone read formation. There seems to be zero movement in the line. He just pounds the ball for 5-7 yards. I never see him run through the line. Imagine if we had McVay or Shanahan leading the running game. Get some movement of the line shifting one way so he can get a cutback lane.
This guys is the most complete back in the league. Can we get him a pass that gives him room to run? Remember Steelers game his rookie season?
Let Zeke cook.

Because we are limited by one-read Dak, who can’t run a 5-7 step drop. Zeke is now asked to run pretty much exclusively from shot-gun. Even when Dak operates from under center, it’s a quick 1-3 step drop.

Linehan and Moore had to basically eliminate the 5-7 drop for this average QB and the one time he ran it against Seattle, he double clutched on single man coverage of the WR he was looking the whole way, which led to the strip fumble.

 

[MWH1967]

 

[dckid]

That’s because Dak cannot operate from under center. He has a whopping 9 plays taken from under center rest has all been out of the shotgun so far, at some point you need to understand that you qbs ceiling is affecting your play calling.

Seriously? Dak has improved on so many levels since his rookie season, they can't get him to play under center? I am not a Dak supporter, but he is what we have. I don't want to pay him 40 million but that is on Jerry. I just want to deploy Zeke...

 

[khiladi]

We still don't know how to use Zeke, or maybe I am just clueless. 95% of his carries come out of shotgun in the zone read formation. There seems to be zero movement in the line. He just pounds the ball for 5-7 yards. I never see him run through the line. Imagine if we had McVay or Shanahan leading the running game. Get some movement of the line shifting one way so he can get a cutback lane.
This guys is the most complete back in the league. Can we get him a pass that gives him room to run? Remember Steelers game his rookie season?
Let Zeke cook.

Great insight by the way. I’m being serious, not sarcastic.

 

[dckid]

Because we are limited by one-read Dak, who can’t run a 5-7 step drop. Zeke is now asked to run pretty much exclusively from shot-gun.

You all are funny. One read Dak. Man I can't imagine if we trotted out Goff with this offense. Dak is not a world beater by any means buy he is more than competent.
I wonder what our playaction rate is? I would want it to be the highest in the league.

 

[khiladi]

Seriously? Dak has improved on so many levels since his rookie season, they can't get him to play under center? I am not a Dak supporter, but he is what we have. I don't want to pay him 40 million but that is on Jerry. I just want to deploy Zeke...

Wright at USA Today has been pointing this limitations out for Dak for two years now. Believe me, the improvements in Dak were because of the OC simplifying the offense for the QB, resulting in his improvement, not the other way around.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...tt-kellen-moore-play-calling-third-and-short/

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/20...lling-snap-analysis-2019-season-dak-prescott/

 

[khiladi]

You all are funny. One read Dak. Man I can't imagine if we trotted out Goff with this offense. Dak is not a world beater by any means buy he is more than competent.
I wonder what our playaction rate is? I would want it to be the highest in the league.

Oh, Goff is terrible too. Both Dak and Goff in 2018 were the two leading QBs with the highest drop off in second read progression among all QBs. But Goff also does the 5-7 step drop regularly. He was number 1 in the 7 step last year among all QBs.

As far as play-action, in Linehan’s first year with Dak, we went from a bottom of the barrel play-action team to second in the league with Dak and have remained top since. Going into the Bills game last year, we were second in the league again. It dropped to sixth by the end of the year, because we kept playin from behind and Dak was passing stats in garbage time. I believe Dak led the league in passing yardage from play-action last year.

it’s no surprise Dak was garbage against 3 of the 4, top five play action defenses we played, including the woeful Jets and Bears, as well as the Bills.

Dakstans that love to bash Zeke are completely operating from an imaginary realm. Dak has essentially wasted the first five years of Zeke’s career.

 

[MyFairLady]

Zeke's current career stats trajectory is horrifying.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Seriously? Dak has improved on so many levels since his rookie season, they can't get him to play under center? I am not a Dak supporter, but he is what we have. I don't want to pay him 40 million but that is on Jerry. I just want to deploy Zeke...

Take a look at his attempts through 3 games - 143 pass attempts, 9 of those attempts from under center. That isn’t by design.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Yards after contact is up to noone other than the RB, it's not like Zeke is getting met in the backfield at a high rate at all.

Some of y'all had his as the best back in the league. Crazy.

 

[khiladi]

Take a look at his attempts through 3 games - 143 pass attempts, 9 of those attempts from under center. That isn’t by design.

It’s even worse than last year. And this guy wants 40 million, talking about ‘respect’.

 

[Hawkeye19]

We still don't know how to use Zeke, or maybe I am just clueless. 95% of his carries come out of shotgun in the zone read formation. There seems to be zero movement in the line. He just pounds the ball for 5-7 yards. I never see him run through the line. Imagine if we had McVay or Shanahan leading the running game. Get some movement of the line shifting one way so he can get a cutback lane.
This guys is the most complete back in the league. Can we get him a pass that gives him room to run? Remember Steelers game his rookie season?
Let Zeke cook.

+1000

WAY too much shotgun, not nearly enough snaps under center. Not only will it help the run game— it will SIGNIFICANTLY improve passing efficiency with play-action.

 

[khiladi]

Yards after contact is up to noone other than the RB, it's not like Zeke is getting met in the backfield at a high rate at all.

Some of y'all had his as the best back in the league. Crazy.

nope... Yards after contact don’t tell you how many defenders are around him, because of multiple players in the box. Your contact can include multiple defenders. KCs rookie RB in his first game with Mahomes had 97 yards on 8 of his carries, with those 8 carries being with 6 in the box or less.

That’s the difference between defenses that fear their QB, versus those that don’t... Saying the QB has no impact on that stat is completely asinine.