Kiper Big Board/Position Rankings 2/10/21

Discussion in 'Draft Zone' started by Risen Star, Feb 10, 2021.

  1. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    I see what you’re saying but there are 2 things to consider

    1. “reaching” is relative. The Chiefs “reached” for Mahomes and the Chargers “reached” for Herbert. Do you think they’re not happy they “reached”? Reaching depends on the scouts and talent evaluators you have. If our scouts say that Collins or Barmore are worth the 10th and better than Surtain why wouldn’t you take them even if the media thinks you “reached”?

    2. There are major red flags with both CBs IMO

    so my first priority be trade down if I can but if not I would take an OT over the CB

    but of course that is JMO
     
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  2. Cowboyny

    Cowboyny Well-Known Member

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    I haven't spent too much time looking at the QB's just yet.
     
  3. baltcowboy

    baltcowboy Well-Known Member

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    Ok. I don’t think the quarterbacks are as good as the Baker and Lamar draft. I think they had 5 first round picks. Lawrence will be lucky to start his career as well as Allen has. I am looking forward to your opinion on the quarterbacks. I know the Cowboys defense has to be depressing for you.:eek:
     
  4. Cowboyny

    Cowboyny Well-Known Member

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    Here are the top 5 QB's I have heard/read:

    1-Lawrence
    2-Wilson
    3-Lance
    4-Fields
    5-Mac Jones
     
  5. Verdict

    Verdict Well-Known Member

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    I think Humphrey is the #1 center in this draft. If he goes in the second round he would be an absolute steal.
     
  6. America's Cowboy

    America's Cowboy Zone Supporter

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    As Surtain should be (slowly moving down draft boards). He's a slow CB. Why would anyone have him rated in the top 10? Or even top 15?

    Many Cowboys sports writers had the Cowboys taking Surtain at #10. They must want slow CBs who can't keep up with much faster and quicker WRs?
    :facepalm:
     
  7. HoplessCowboysFan36

    HoplessCowboysFan36 Well-Known Member

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    If we trade back and can still get Horn I'd be happy. We have a ton of holes to fill on Defense.
     
  8. HoplessCowboysFan36

    HoplessCowboysFan36 Well-Known Member

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    Wilson is the best Qb in this draft. There I said it!
     
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  9. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Zzz
    I think you’re wrong

    Lawrence will have a great deal of success because of his abilities and his HC

    there will be a clear boss who will acquire talent and impose discipline

    I expect Jaguars to be in the playoffs not this year but by next year
     
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  10. SeanLee50

    SeanLee50 Well-Known Member

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    Just in time for Urban to retire for health concerns again ;)
     
  11. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    perhaps but I’ll take 3-4 years of Urban over 15 years of Garrett and MM
     
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  12. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    And if horn is gone then what
    Evaluations of players is not close to an exact science
    But the odds are the higher rated players have a higher chance of success. Some positions more than others
    But there is a reason Farley and surtain are ranked higher
    I like horn but the CB we draft will be playing a large number of snaps day one
    And I think Farley and surtain are more day one ready
     
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  13. HoplessCowboysFan36

    HoplessCowboysFan36 Well-Known Member

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    I really like Farley. He's scrappy and plays the ball well.
    I would probably lean towards drafting him at 10 if he is there. Surtain I would probably trade back. Unfortunately there is no player I like enough at 10 besides Farley.
     
  14. stilltheguru

    stilltheguru Well-Known Member

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    If Surtain runs 4.50 woupd you feel better at 10?
     
  15. conner01

    conner01 Well-Known Member

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    I’d take surtain or Farley at 10
    Parsons too if he was there
    I suspect one of surtain or Farley will be there
     
  16. baltcowboy

    baltcowboy Well-Known Member

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    Allen was almost the MVP this season. If Lawrence is that good that fast I will give him his props. I just don’t see it right now. He is just too skinny.
     
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  17. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Allen has the sane stuff
    He had talent and then he has a smart HC who believing defense and discipline and the run game

    I think Meyer will do the same in Jacksonville
     
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  18. HoplessCowboysFan36

    HoplessCowboysFan36 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe, if all of his numbers looked good it would probably make me feel better. I would be more interested in his hip flexibility and changing of direction.
     
  19. HoplessCowboysFan36

    HoplessCowboysFan36 Well-Known Member

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    I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I think if we could get a decent 1 and 3 tech to help plug up the middle and keep the guards off Jaylon and LVE they would excell. Especially Jaylon, he plays better when he can just run to the ball and not have to fight through so many lineman. I think Parsons is the same way, so I'm not sure if ide spend such a high pick on an off ball linebacker.
     
  20. stilltheguru

    stilltheguru Well-Known Member

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    I think his other numbers will look good based on muscle memory. Hes probably been doing db drills for years. His jumping is what may be pedestrian
     

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