Kiper Big Board/Position Rankings 2/10/21

[conner01]

its simple
You take neither

Why
They are both good players at a position of great need

 

[J-man]

He has Smith as the top rated WR in this class, nuff said

 

[exciter]

Trade down a little, then take Jaycee Horn.

Except most of the scouting reports have Horns major weakness being zone coverage. With Quinn scheme being primarily zone you’d think he be off the board or way down from 10, more like a 2nd or 3rd round grade on him!

 

[stilltheguru]

Joseph as the fourth corner is really interesting. At one time, Kiper was the ultimate outsider and often ranked players quite differently than did the clubs. Now he is the ultimate insider.

Kiper didn't suddenly fall in love with Joseph. He is hearing now what the clubs have known for some time. So Joseph is probably a late-first or second round player and a possibility for Dallas if corner isn't the first choice.

I watched him because of Kiper. Id draft him round 2 no question. He fits into the attitude adjustment that the defense needs.

 

[visionary]

Why
They are both good players at a position of great need

because we have to build a defense not play CBs because they’re the sexy pick. Defense starts with front 7 and FS and we have neither

because both CBs have significant warts and shouldnt go top 10

because the bigger CBs this defense needs can be had later in this draft

 

[conner01]

because we have to build a defense not play CBs because they’re the sexy pick. Defense starts with front 7 and FS and we have neither

because both CBs have significant warts and shouldnt go top 10

because the bigger CBs this defense needs can be had later in this draft

CB is a big part of a defense
Every player has warts
A bigger CB is great but the top guys are on top because they can cover not just look the part

 

[CouchCoach]

Click the link for commentary. (ESPN Insider)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/...ospects-best-position-mel-kiper-new-big-board

Big Board
1. Trevor Lawrence QB Clemson
2. Penei Sewell T Oregon
3. DeVonta Smith WR Alabama
4. Ja'Marr Chase WR LSU
5. Kyle Pitts TE Florida

6. Jalen Waddle WR Alabama
7. Justin Fields QB Ohio St.
8. Zach Wilson QB BYU
9. Caleb Farley CB Virginia Tech
10. Micah Parsons LB Penn St.

11. Rashawn Slater G Northwestern
12. Mac Jones QB Alabama
13. Trey Lance QB North Dakota St.
14. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah ILB Notre Dame
15. Patrick Surtain II CB Alabama

16. Alijah Vera-Tucker OL USC
17. Jaelan Phillips DE Miami
18. Christian Darrisaw T Virginia Tech
19. Gregory Rousseau DE Miami
20. Kwity Paye DE Michigan

21. Jaycee Horn CB South Carolina
22. Najee Harris RB Alabama
23. Zaven Collins LB Tulsa
24. Kadarius Toney WR Florida
25. Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky

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Position Rankings

Quarterbacks
1. Trevor Lawrence, Clemson
2. Justin Fields, Ohio State
3. Zach Wilson, BYU
4. Mac Jones, Alabama
5. Trey Lance, North Dakota State
6. Kyle Trask, Florida
7. Davis Mills, Stanford
8. Kellen Mond, Texas A&M
9. Jamie Newman, Wake Forest/Georgia
10. Sam Ehlinger, Texas

Running backs
1. Najee Harris, Alabama
2. Travis Etienne, Clemson
3. Javonte Williams, North Carolina
4. Trey Sermon, Ohio State
5. Demetric Felton, UCLA
6. Michael Carter, North Carolina
7. Kenneth Gainwell, Memphis
8. Jermar Jefferson, Oregon State
9. Chuba Hubbard, Oklahoma State
10. Javian Hawkins, Louisville

Fullbacks and H-backs
1. Ben Mason, Michigan
2. Rhamondre Stevenson, Oklahoma
3. Mason Stokke, Wisconsin
4. Tory Carter, LSU
5. Carl Tucker, Alabama

Wide receivers
1. DeVonta Smith, Alabama
2. Ja'Marr Chase, LSU
3. Jaylen Waddle, Alabama
4. Kadarius Toney, Florida
5. Elijah Moore, Mississippi
6. Tutu Atwell, Louisville
7. Terrace Marshall Jr., LSU
8. Rashod Bateman, Minnesota
9. D'Wayne Eskridge, Western Michigan
10. Nico Collins, Michigan

Tight ends
1. Kyle Pitts, Florida
2. Pat Freiermuth, Penn State
3. Hunter Long, Boston College
4. Brevin Jordan, Miami (FL)
5. Tre' McKitty, Georgia
6. Kenny Yeboah, Mississippi
7. John Bates, Boise State
8. Tommy Tremble, Notre Dame
9. Noah Gray, Duke
10. Pro Wells, TCU

Offensive tackles
1. Penei Sewell, Oregon
2. Christian Darrisaw, Virginia Tech
3. Dillon Radunz, North Dakota State
4. Teven Jenkins, Oklahoma State
5. Jalen Mayfield, Michigan
6. Samuel Cosmi, Texas
7. Liam Eichenberg, Notre Dame
8. Walker Little, Stanford
9. James Hudson, Cincinnati
10. Spencer Brown, No. Iowa

Guards
1. Rashawn Slater, Northwestern
2. Alijah Vera-Tucker, USC
3. Wyatt Davis, Ohio State
4. Aaron Banks, Notre Dame
5. Trey Smith, Tennessee
6. Alex Leatherwood, Alabama
7. Ben Cleveland, Georgia
8. Robert Hainsey, Notre Dame
9. David Moore, Grambling
10. Jack Anderson, Texas Tech

Centers
1. Landon Dickerson, Alabama
2. Creed Humphrey, Oklahoma
3. Quinn Meinerz, Wisconsin-Whitewater
4. Josh Myers, Ohio State
5. Michal Menet, Penn State
6. Drew Dalman, Stanford
7. Trey Hill, Georgia
8. Drake Jackson, Kentucky
9. Jimmy Morrissey, Pitt
10. Ryan McCollum, Texas A&M

Defensive ends
1. Jaelan Phillips, Miami (FL)
2. Gregory Rousseau, Miami (FL)
3. Kwity Paye, Michigan
4. Carlos Basham Jr., Wake Forest
5. Ade Ogundeji, Notre Dame
6. Jordan Smith, UAB
7. Daelin Hayes, Notre Dame
8. Cameron Sample, Tulane
9. Patrick Jones II, Pitt
10. Dayo Odeyingbo, Vanderbilt

Defensive tackles
1. Daviyon Nixon, Iowa
2, Christian Barmore, Alabama
3. Levi Onwuzurike, Washington
4. Jay Tufele, USC
5. Marlon Tuipulotu, USC
6. Alim McNeill, NC State
7. Osa Odighizuwa, UCLA
8. Tommy Togiai, Ohio State
9. Marvin Wilson, Florida State
10. Tyler Shelvin, LSU

Inside linebackers
1. Micah Parsons, Penn State
2, Nick Bolton, Missouri
3. Chazz Surratt, North Carolina
4. Jabril Cox, LSU
5. Tony Fields II, West Virginia
6. Cameron McGrone, Michigan
7. Baron Browning, Ohio State
8. Dylan Moses, Alabama
9. K.J. Britt, Auburn
10. Monty Rice, Georgia

Outside linebackers
1. Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Notre Dame
2, Zaven Collins, Tulsa
3. Azeez Ojulari, Georgia
4. Joe Tryon, Washington
5. Joseph Ossai, Texas
6. Pete Werner, Ohio State
7. Jayson Oweh, Penn State
8. Chris Rumph II, Duke
9. Quincy Roche, Miami (FL)
10. Elerson Smith, No. Iowa

Cornerbacks
1. Caleb Farley, Virginia Tech
2. Patrick Surtain II, Alabama
3. Jaycee Horn, South Carolina
4. Kelvin Joseph, Kentucky
5. Elijah Molden, Washington
6. Shaun Wade, Ohio State
7. Asante Samuel Jr., Florida State
8. Aaron Robinson, UCF
9. Keith Taylor, Washington
10. Greg Newsome II, Northwestern

Safeties
1. Trevon Moehrig, TCU
2. Jevon Holland, Oregon
3. Talanoa Hufanga, USC
4. Andre Cisco, Syracuse
5. Richie Grant, UCF
6. Caden Sterns, Texas
7. Richard LeCounte, Georgia
8. Paris Ford, Pitt
9. Hamsah Nasirildeen, Florida State
10. Damar Hamlin, Pitt

Kickers and Punters
1. Jose Borregales, K, Miami (FL)
2. Evan McPherson, P, Florida
3. James Smith, P, Cincinnati
4. Zach Von Rosenberg, P, LSU
5. Max Duffy, P, Kentucky

Long-snappers
1. Camaron Cheeseman, Michigan
2. Thomas Fletcher, Alabama
3. Adam Bay, Wisconsin
4. Ryan Langan, Georgia Southern
5. Turner Bernard, San Diego State

The Packers should take the #1 Long-snapper, can't let a guy like that get away.

 

[stilltheguru]

because we have to build a defense not play CBs because they’re the sexy pick. Defense starts with front 7 and FS and we have neither

because both CBs have significant warts and shouldnt go top 10

because the bigger CBs this defense needs can be had later in this draft

Yup. Cb should be round 2. I dont know if we could get a outside starter after that but I dont want one in round 1

 

[Bowdown27]

It will be interesting to compare this list to the one after the combine. There are always players at the combine who show something spectacular and then climb way up the board. If Surtain runs a 4.4 40 I think he moves up, maybe even ahead of Farley.

With no combine it hurts them big time.

 

[garyv]

What separates it for me is Farley's speed and ball skills. He is a player that always turns his head and plays the football. How many years have we seen our corners in perfect position, but can never locate the football.

My only question between Farley and Surtain is level of competition in College. I just feel Alabama might have played against better talent than Virginia Tech

 

[SlammedZero]

What separates it for me is Farley's speed and ball skills. He is a player that always turns his head and plays the football. How many years have we seen our corners in perfect position, but can never locate the football.

That would be such a welcome sight on this team.

 

[Cowboyny]

My only question between Farley and Surtain is level of competition in College. I just feel Alabama might have played against better talent than Virginia Tech

The flip side is, Surtain played on the most talented teams in america.

 

[visionary]

CB is a big part of a defense
Every player has warts
A bigger CB is great but the top guys are on top because they can cover not just look the part

I prefer DT, LB, FS in rds 1-2 rather than CB

Great defense is about pressure

 

[conner01]

I prefer DT, LB, FS in rds 1-2 rather than CB

Great defense is about pressure

There is no DT worth picking at 10
I like Tufele a lot if he’s there in 2nd but that’s also a good spot for a safety
No safety is worth 10 or DT
Trading down is an option but we need really good players and both of the top CB are really good player
We need a day one starter quality CB with two of our top CB leaving
That leaves us Biggs and brown and then nothing

 

[baltcowboy]

The flip side is, Surtain played on the most talented teams in america.

That is the problem with Farley. He has rarely played the cornerback position. Surtain has played cornerback all his football career and his father coached him up.

 

[Cowboyny]

That is the problem with Farley. He has rarely played the cornerback position. Surtain has played cornerback all his football career and his father coached him up.

While he is new to the position, his film does not resemble a player that is still learning the ropes. Farley brings a rare blend of physical traits to the table in terms of size, length, quickness, fluidity, and athleticism that he pairs with exceptional man coverage skills that make him an exciting NFL prospect. Not only is he sticky in man coverage, Farley has game-changing ball skills and is an alpha in coverage.

From his scouting report-Draft Network

 

[baltcowboy]

While he is new to the position, his film does not resemble a player that is still learning the ropes. Farley brings a rare blend of physical traits to the table in terms of size, length, quickness, fluidity, and athleticism that he pairs with exceptional man coverage skills that make him an exciting NFL prospect. Not only is he sticky in man coverage, Farley has game-changing ball skills and is an alpha in coverage.

From his scouting report-Draft Network

Good morning brother, when are you going to start looking at the quarterbacks in the draft?

 

[Hardline]

I prefer DT, LB, FS in rds 1-2 rather than CB

Great defense is about pressure

Unfortunately this is a weak draft for DTs and LBs and I'm not going to reach for need.

 

[Cowboyny]

Good morning brother, when are you going to start looking at the quarterbacks in the draft?

I don't buy any smoke or rumors about Dak in a contract negotiation. Both sides are going to use tactics with the media to get what they want. If Dak isn't signed or tagged, then we should start looking at options for the position.

 

[baltcowboy]

I don't buy any smoke or rumors about Dak in a contract negotiation. Both sides are going to use tactics with the media to get what they want. If Dak isn't signed or tagged, then we should start looking at options for the position.

It’s not about the Cowboys. I like your opinions. I just wanted to know what you thought about the quarterbacks. Plus we pick to late to get one of the top 4.