Kiper/McShay Compiled Big Board

[robert70x7]

I went back and found every weekly big board where McShay/Kiper both did their prospect rankings and compiled them up until this week's. Feel free to give any input on players that shouldn't be listed. This is purely objective.

1. Jadeveon Clowney
2. Anthony Barr
3. Teddy Bridgewater
4. Jake Matthews
5. Marcus Mariota
6. Louis Nix
7. CJ Mosley
8. Sammy Watkins
9. Marqise Lee
10. Khalil Mack
11. Stephon Tuitt
12. Taylor Lewan
13. Timmy Jernigan
14. Eric Ebron
15. Ifo Ekpre-Olumu
16. Cyrus Kouandjio
17. Haha Clinton-Dix
18. Johnny Manziel
19. Brett Hundley
20. Loucheiz Purifoy
21. Dominique Easley
22. Vic Beasley
23. Scott Crichton
24. De'Anthony Thomas
25. Ra'Shede Hageman
26. Marcus Roberson
27. Justin Gilbert
28. Austin Seferian-Jenkins
29. Mike Evans
30. Ryan Shazier
31. Antonio Richardson
32. Aaron Lynch

 

[kirkjrk]

I went back and found every weekly big board where McShay/Kiper both did their prospect rankings and compiled them up until this week's. Feel free to give any input on players that shouldn't be listed. This is purely objective.

1. Jadeveon Clowney
2. Anthony Barr
3. Teddy Bridgewater
4. Jake Matthews
5. Marcus Mariota
6. Louis Nix
7. CJ Mosley
8. Sammy Watkins
9. Marqise Lee
10. Khalil Mack
11. Stephon Tuitt
12. Taylor Lewan
13. Timmy Jernigan
14. Eric Ebron
15. Ifo Ekpre-Olumu
16. Cyrus Kouandjio
17. Haha Clinton-Dix
18. Johnny Manziel
19. Brett Hundley
20. Loucheiz Purifoy
21. Dominique Easley
22. Vic Beasley
23. Scott Crichton
24. De'Anthony Thomas
25. Ra'Shede Hageman
26. Marcus Roberson
27. Justin Gilbert
28. Austin Seferian-Jenkins
29. Mike Evans
30. Ryan Shazier
31. Antonio Richardson
32. Aaron Lynch

Thanks, Robert

 

[XDez88BeastX]

I still don't understand why everyone is so high on Jernagin, he looks like a mid round pick to me.

 

[ABQcowboyJR]

I watched some more of Timmy today and liked what I saw. I am not surprised that Lee is really high on the list. One of my favorite players coming out this year. Van Noy not in the top 32....really?

 

[XDez88BeastX]

I watched some more of Timmy today and liked what I saw. I am not surprised that Lee is really high on the list. One of my favorite players coming out this year. Van Noy not in the top 32....really?

maybe you're seeing something I'm not but I've tried to watch every fsu game I can & he just hasn't impressed me, mark my words if he doesn't blow up the combine he will drop to the mid rounds

 

[xwalker]

Easley is injured and likely falls out of the top 2 rounds.

 

[IAmLegend]

There's a good chance both Mariotta and Hundley both return to school for their RS Junior seasons. Depending on hat they do, those two's decision will really shake up the first round.

 

[supercowboy8]

Easley is injured and likely falls out of the top 2 rounds.

Come on now, he is injury prone and out this year with a ACL. pretty much means he will be our 2nd round pick and would be a steal there talent wise, but should be a 3rd round pick.

I love his talent, very fast off the line and can play DE or DT

 

[supercowboy8]

I still don't understand why everyone is so high on Jernagin, he looks like a mid round pick to me.

I agree, he makes alot of plays at the line or running down plays, he stand up at the line and then fights, doesn't fire off the line.

Marinelli likes a good rushman, someone who firers off the line and gets into the back field. Watch for Dallas to go after Donald and Easley, who we might be able to get in the 2nd and 3rd.

 

[XxTDxX]

I went back and found every weekly big board where McShay/Kiper both did their prospect rankings and compiled them up until this week's. Feel free to give any input on players that shouldn't be listed. This is purely objective.

1. Jadeveon Clowney
2. Anthony Barr
3. Teddy Bridgewater
4. Jake Matthews
5. Marcus Mariota
6. Louis Nix
7. CJ Mosley
8. Sammy Watkins
9. Marqise Lee
10. Khalil Mack
11. Stephon Tuitt
12. Taylor Lewan
13. Timmy Jernigan
14. Eric Ebron
15. Ifo Ekpre-Olumu
16. Cyrus Kouandjio
17. Haha Clinton-Dix
18. Johnny Manziel
19. Brett Hundley
20. Loucheiz Purifoy
21. Dominique Easley
22. Vic Beasley
23. Scott Crichton
24. De'Anthony Thomas
25. Ra'Shede Hageman
26. Marcus Roberson
27. Justin Gilbert
28. Austin Seferian-Jenkins
29. Mike Evans
30. Ryan Shazier
31. Antonio Richardson
32. Aaron Lynch

Bolded my favorites of the bunch for the Cowboys needs and scheme.. Bradley Roby should be up there.. He is my favorite CB this draft.. Kid loves to compete

 

[supercowboy8]

Donald is a Marinelli type of guy. This guy will be a first round pick after the combine.

 

[xwalker]

I agree, he makes alot of plays at the line or running down plays, he stand up at the line and then fights, doesn't fire off the line.

Marinelli likes a good rushman, someone who firers off the line and gets into the back field. Watch for Dallas to go after Donald and Easley, who we might be able to get in the 2nd and 3rd.

I'm concerned that several of those smaller type DTs will be too much like Drake Nevis. I like Nevis as a rotation player. He is quick with a really high "motor", but he tends to get hung up on blocks. He just seems to lack that little bit of extra power to push through.

Hageman appears to be the 1 guy with both size and elite quickness.

It seems like there might be other players similar to Jernigan available later in the draft or as low cost free agents because they don't fit in all defensive schemes.

Aaron Donald is a guy that you would like to be able to keep him at 285 and just use him as an inside pass rusher. I think if he bulks up to play the run, then he loses his elite quickness.

 

[supercowboy8]

I'm concerned that several of those smaller type DTs will be too much like Drake Nevis. I like Nevis as a rotation player. He is quick with a really high "motor", but he tends to get hung up on blocks. He just seems to lack that little bit of extra power to push through.

Hageman appears to be the 1 guy with both size and elite quickness.

It seems like there might be other players similar to Jernigan available later in the draft or as low cost free agents because they don't fit in all defensive schemes.

Aaron Donald is a guy that you would like to be able to keep him at 285 and just use him as an inside pass rusher. I think if he bulks up to play the run, then he loses his elite quickness.

Might want to look at Geno Atkins and Henry Melton.

 

[xwalker]

Might want to look at Geno Atkins and Henry Melton.

Geno Atkins was a freak that ran a 4.75 forty at 293 lbs. I think most of these guys are more like Drake Nevis with a 5.06 at 294 lbs.

I can't really compare anybody to Melton because he was originally a RB that converted to DE and ran a 4.64 at 269 lbs.

 

[supercowboy8]

Geno Atkins was a freak that ran a 4.75 forty at 293 lbs. I think most of these guys are more like Drake Nevis with a 5.06 at 294 lbs.

I can't really compare anybody to Melton because he was originally a RB that converted to DE and ran a 4.64 at 269 lbs.

Agree, both were freaks, but I'm going to put off judgement until after the combine. Jurrell Casey is also a undersized DL at 6-1 305.

Watching the above talked about guys, I think Jernigan is the only one that is like a Drake Nevis. Donald and Easily have great burst and will post great 10 yard splits and cone drill times. I could care less about 40 yards dash time unless your a CB, WR, or Safety.

Easily could also play DE on the strong side and help set the edge on the first two downs and move inside on 3rd downs.

 

[xwalker]

Agree, both were freaks, but I'm going to put off judgement until after the combine. Jurrell Casey is also a undersized DL at 6-1 305.

Watching the above talked about guys, I think Jernigan is the only one that is like a Drake Nevis. Donald and Easily have great burst and will post great 10 yard splits and cone drill times. I could care less about 40 yards dash time unless your a CB, WR, or Safety.

Easily could also play DE on the strong side and help set the edge on the first two downs and move inside on 3rd downs.

I've said it many time before, but forty times are just a general representation of a players athleticism. Obviously it's not the end-all be-all of a player's ability. Nobody has been able to correlate any of the times (40, 10, cone, ss) to a guarantee of the player's success.

Dominique Easley has torn both his right and left ACL. He is a significant injury risk, IMO.

I'm sure that Aaron Donald is very quick but he's also small at 6-0, 285. You have to be convinced he can play both the run and pass to be worth a 2nd round pick, IMO.

I like to keep an eye on the arm length of those shorter players. Longer arms help offset their short stature.

 

[supercowboy8]

I've said it many time before, but forty times are just a general representation of a players athleticism. Obviously it's not the end-all be-all of a player's ability. Nobody has been able to correlate any of the times (40, 10, cone, ss) to a guarantee of the player's success.

Dominique Easley has torn both his right and left ACL. He is a significant injury risk, IMO.

I'm sure that Aaron Donald is very quick but he's also small at 6-0, 285. You have to be convinced he can play both the run and pass to be worth a 2nd round pick, IMO.

I like to keep an eye on the arm length of those shorter players. Longer arms help offset their short stature.

Agreed with all you aid but that doesn't stop Jerry. Easley just sounds like a for sure 2nd or 3rd round pick for us. Lee, Carter, Murrey. Just fits what we do. 1st round talent that can be had in the 2nd or 3rd.

Also in this scheme we don't play to stop the run, we design our DL to stay in their gaps and stuff holes for LBs to make plays. DL are suppose to shoot gaps no matter of run or pass.

 

[tm1119]

Donald is a Marinelli type of guy. This guy will be a first round pick after the combine.

I like Donald and everything, but I'm not sure 6' 285 is going to translate in the NFL so well. I think he can be a useful part time player, but 1st round seems a little too high. I was thinking late 2nd/3rd round. Good high motor guy, but I don't see him being an every down player.

 

[supercowboy8]

I like Donald and everything, but I'm not sure 6' 285 is going to translate in the NFL so well. I think he can be a useful part time player, but 1st round seems a little too high. I was thinking late 2nd/3rd round. Good high motor guy, but I don't see him being an every down player.

I disagree, with the recent assurance of smaller quicker DTs and more of a passing game in the NFL, teams will be looking more to these types of players. Your 320-330 pound guys are fading out.

Geno Atkins was 290 pounds coming into the draft. Donald can add 5-10 pounds and dominate. Ratliff and Hatcher were both under 300 pounds the past few years. The scheme Dallas runs now ask for quicker lighter players. Hatcher is right at 300 pounds right now.

Donald will pit up good combine numbers and get into the 1st, I'm calling it now, and if he is there in the 2nd, I would love Dallas to steal him.

 

[KingintheNorth]

I still don't understand why everyone is so high on Jernagin, he looks like a mid round pick to me.

Agreed.