Kitna gets vocal

[jswalker1981]

Romo had a headset on and was talking to the whole offense on the sideline during a timeout.

And they were all listening intently.

YES!! I haven't seen anyone mention this anywhere. But he does have on the full headset, not just an earpiece. It looks to me that he is very involved in the offense, even when he isn't playing.

 

[Stautner]

TWO OBSERVATIONS:

1. People immediately started arguing, and in multiple posts, that yelling does not make Kitna a leader even though nobody was arguing that it did. Hecll, I don't even remember the folks who have talked up Kitna in the last few weeks pointing to a willingness to yell as one of his leadership qualities, yet those who are less favorable about Kitna ar quick to make the argument anyway.

2. THEY ARE ON A TIME CLOCK! And in the heat of the contest. Was Kitna supposed to smile politely and make a friendly gesture to Gronkowski, while being careful not to rush him or upset him in any way?

 

[Doomsday101]

TWO OBSERVATIONS:

1. People immediately started arguing, and in multiple posts, that yelling does not make Kitna a leader even though nobody was arguing that it did. Hecll, I don't even remember the folks who have talked up Kitna in the last few weeks pointing to a willingness to yell as one of his leadership qualities, yet those who are less favorable about Kitna ar quick to make the argument anyway.

2. THEY ARE ON A TIME CLOCK! And in the heat of the contest. Was Kitna supposed to smile politely and make a friendly gesture to Gronkowski, while being careful not to rush him or upset him in any way?

As QB he is taking charge as he is suppose to do. What I do not get is why some feel any thing positive said about Kitna some how is a knock on Romo? Romo is our QB but in terms of backup I could not ask for anything more than the job Kitna has done.

 

[lqmac1]

I was watching it with my brother, and I told him "dude kit got some fire underneath his ***" and I love that about him. Romo is the better player hands down, but kit is the better leader!!! And I'm prob one of the biggest Romo homers there is. How big??? I wouldn't trade him for ANY qb in the league.

 

[Stautner]

As QB he is taking charge as he is suppose to do. What I do not get is why some feel any thing positive said about Kitna some how is a knock on Romo? Romo is our QB but in terms of backup I could not ask for anything more than the job Kitna has done.

I agree. It seems as if saying something postive about Kitna causes people to get defensive. We should be celebrating that we have a backup like Kitna.

 

[Idgit]

TWO OBSERVATIONS:

1. People immediately started arguing, and in multiple posts, that yelling does not make Kitna a leader even though nobody was arguing that it did. Hecll, I don't even remember the folks who have talked up Kitna in the last few weeks pointing to a willingness to yell as one of his leadership qualities, yet those who are less favorable about Kitna ar quick to make the argument anyway.

2. THEY ARE ON A TIME CLOCK! And in the heat of the contest. Was Kitna supposed to smile politely and make a friendly gesture to Gronkowski, while being careful not to rush him or upset him in any way?

Your analysis of Kitna as a leader is based on what? How vocal he is in between plays? Anything else that's relevant that we're able to see as fans?

It was a legitimate question, which went unanswered. If not field presence, what else do fans measure leadership by?

 

[AbeBeta]

Cue the schmucks now who think this makes him a better "leader" than Romo.

They lead differently - but clearly, Romo could learn a bit from Kitna. Different players respond to different types of leadership. A good leader needs different tools in his bag.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

Would have liked to see Kitnas magic touch against the Jags and Packers

 

[Stautner]

It was a legitimate question, which went unanswered. If not field presence, what else do fans measure leadership by?

Who was it a lgitimate question for? So many people started arguing that the yelling didn't prove Kitna a leader even without there being a bandwagon of people suggesting it did.

Certainly the notion of what makes a leader is an interesting one though, but it just seems that a disagreement is being created where there really isn't one. I think most posters, whether they like Kitna or not, realize that yelling isn't automatically the mark of a leader. On the other hand, neither is it the mark of a poor leader. Leaders can yell. The overriding factor is the respect the people have for the player.

I honestly didn't see a thing in the world wrong with Kitna yelling. He needed that player in ASAP because the clock was ticking, and someone needed to take charge of the situation in a decisive manner. He did, and good for him.

 

[Idgit]

Who was it a lgitimate question for? So many people started arguing that the yelling didn't prove Kitna a leader even without there being a bandwagon of people suggesting it did.

Certainly the notion of what makes a leader is an interesting one though, but it just seems that a disagreement is being created where there really isn't one. I think most posters, whether they like Kitna or not, realize that yelling isn't automatically the mark of a leader. On the other hand, neither is it the mark of a poor leader. Leaders can yell. The overriding factor is the respect the people have for the player.

I honestly didn't see a thing in the world wrong with Kitna yelling. He needed that player in ASAP because the clock was ticking, and someone needed to take charge of the situation in a decisive manner. He did, and good for him.

I love Kitna. And I don't have a particular problem with him yelling now and then when it's warranted. I just wonder what people are using to form opinions about leadership when so much of what's important in judging it is not available for fans to even evaluate.

 

[Doomsday101]

I love Kitna. And I don't have a particular problem with him yelling now and then when it's warranted. I just wonder what people are using to form opinions about leadership when so much of what's important in judging it is not available for fans to even evaluate.

I think guys seeing him lay it on the line has earned their respect and I do think he has demostrated leadership.

For a guy not known for running Kitna has put himself in harms way to get the job done. Says allot when you are out of the playoffs

 

[Stautner]

I love Kitna. And I don't have a particular problem with him yelling now and then when it's warranted. I just wonder what people are using to form opinions about leadership when so much of what's important in judging it is not available for fans to even evaluate.

Okay. I don't know that people were really judging on him yelling though, and this thread was about Kitna yelling.

As for me, I know that I am not privvy to everything needed to judge leadrship differences between Kitna and Romo, but i do know I like Kitna's demeanor better.

That's a little hard to explain, because demeanor isn't a truly tangible trait, especially from the standpoint of a fan observing from the outside, but to me Kitna seems more direct and more demanding than Romo, which I view as a positive. For example, I think in the situation Sunday Romo would have been waving to the sidelines, whereas Kitna barked at the specific guy and made it clear to him what was expected, and I think that kind of thing probably would make more of an impression on the player. I'm one who believes Romo is well liked, but may be a bit too concerned about being liked and making everyone happy rather than demanding perfection without worry about ruffling feathers. Even on the sidelines Romo seems to be have friendly back and forth discussions with his recievers, whereas Kitna seems to cotrolling the discussion and seems to be more direct and insistent about how things have to be done.

 

[superpunk]

I love Kitna. And I don't have a particular problem with him yelling now and then when it's warranted. I just wonder what people are using to form opinions about leadership when so much of what's important in judging it is not available for fans to even evaluate.

'E looks like one!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I love how people who don't like Romo, or think he isn't a leader and this team doesn't listen to him or follow him, conviently seem to overlook the way this team quit when he went down, and the fact that since he's been on the sideline with a headset they've listened to him a lot.

Both offense and defense. When Romo is talking to them they're listening. They've shown examples of this in every single game since Garrett has taken over.

But, yeah, Romo isn't a leader. lol

 

[Stautner]

I love how people who don't like Romo, or think he isn't a leader and this team doesn't listen to him or follow him, conviently seem to overlook the way this team quit when he went down, and the fact that since he's been on the sideline with a headset they've listened to him a lot.

Both offense and defense. When Romo is talking to them they're listening. They've shown examples of this in every single game since Garrett has taken over.

But, yeah, Romo isn't a leader. lol

Again, this thread seemed to prompt a lot of people to make these kinds of comments even without there being a bandwagon of people taking the otehr position. Nobody had to even say anything - the topic of Kitna yelling at Gronk was enough to cause people to get defensive about Romo.

 

[The Emperor]

Just because Romo is the better player does not make him a better leader.

Kitna has been around a lot more than Romo. From what I've seen this year, Kitna is the better leader.

When did you come to this conclusion?

After he blew a 20-7 lead against the Giants?

After we got blown out by the Jaguars?

Or after we got blown out by the Packers?

And were you impressed with Kitna's leadership in 2007 when the Detroit Lions started out 6-2 and then lost the next six games to ultimately finish 7-9?

I'm not saying these things to denigrate Kitna. I'm saying these things so you folks don't get crazy and believe he's somehow better than Romo. I think Kitna is benefitting from a Jason Garrett-coached team that isn't lax and lazy and lacking attention to detail like we had with Wade Phillips. That's the reality of the matter.

 

[JD_KaPow]

It was a legitimate question, which went unanswered. If not field presence, what else do fans measure leadership by?

We can't. The only information we have about "leadership" is sound bites in the locker room and what we see when the cameras happen to be pointed at a guy. Which amounts to nothing. Not to mention that we can't define "leadership" or say how important it is relative to other factors. Not to mention that there are many different leadership styles that appear to be indistinguishable in their effectiveness.

 

[Cowboys2008]

Kitna is a good leader, but has nothing to do with yelling. The guy is 38 years old, never been in a situation like this before, and in the matter of a few weeks pretty much shut up all critics with his solid play. QBs before him are still hearing the echos of blunders, but I don't believe Kittykat will. This is leadership, being strong and stern in the face of pure adversity, and I don't think anyone can say he hasn't been just that. Romo will infact even learn a thing or two from this, I'd bet on it. And kitna will go down in Cowboy history as not a complete mess up, which in Cowboy country @ the qb position that is a world of accomplishment. The guy is a "leader", period, and some team will greatly benefit from it next season.

 

[Cowboys2008]

Though I'm not saying he's more of a leader than Romo, just that he is in fact a leader. A better one or not, really is yet to be determined. Let's see how this team reacts once Romo gets back in there.

 

[The Emperor]

Though I'm not saying he's more of a leader than Romo, just that he is in fact a leader. A better one or not, really is yet to be determined. Let's see how this team reacts once Romo gets back in there.

I'll agree with that. I think he's won enough trust from the guys that this should be good reason for him to stick around next year.

But to say he's better than Romo or whatever is inane. You articulated your feelings and mine very well.