Kitna gets vocal

[Idgit]

the beat writers all say, kitna is one of the most respected players in the locker room. he has assimilated himself better than romo has.

plus he is much more fiery and passionate on the field and more vocal.

hasn't one of our biggest complaints been that this team doesn't have enough vocal leaders, too many quiet lead by example types?

The beat writers don't all say this. You're probably referring to the McMahon quotes from last week, but even he didn't say this. Plus, the beat writers aren't in the locker room. Plus, the Dallas beat writers are all idiots.

More fiery does not equal better leader. And, no, one of our biggest complaints has not been that we don't have vocal leaders. Vocal leadership is a type of leadership, but it's not necessary to have someone yelling at people to win games.

Our biggest complaint had been--for those who were paying attention--turnover ratio. That's the biggest reason why we'd lost the close games we'd lost the last three years, and it was the reason we were flailing early in the season this year.

 

[The Emperor]

You've got to be kidding me. Let's get real here dude, this type of stuff is kiddy crap. How can you assess someone's leadership on the field when they haven't seen the field? Kitna sat on the sideline for all of 09 and half of 2010. You can't really lead too much when you're sitting on the sideline.

So to answer your question, Kitna's leadership was still there, but there was no real opportunity to showcase it.

Yes Garrett is part of the reason why Kitna is playing well. I was on the Garrett band wagon when many wanted him fired and before many of this board jumped on it after he was named interim coach. I was one of the few who predicted a 5-3 finish, when everyone else though we'd still flop. Garrett deserves much of the credit.

But Jon Kitna has been a tremendous leader in every team he's been on. And that has nothing to do with Jason Garrett.

Wait a minute. I never said anything about Weeks 1 through 6. I was talking about the absence of Kitna's "leadership" in the Giants, Jaguars, and Packers games. You've tried every which way to avert answering the question. By averting the argument, you're tacitly conceding it to me: Kitna's leadership on this team has been cultivated by Garrett's new system.

 

[stilltheguru]

That video just proved my point for years that Witten is overrated in the leadership department by many on here just because they like him.

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

The team quit on their HC when the season was still salvageable.

Where was your Kitna then?

 

[zrinkill]

That video just proved my point for years that Witten is overrated in the leadership department by many on here just because they like him.

That is just stupid.

 

[stilltheguru]

When you commit as many penalties as Witten it's hard to sell yourself as a good leader. just sayin

 

[zrinkill]

When you commit as many penalties as Witten it's hard to sell yourself as a good leader. just sayin

Can you guess how many penalties he has this year?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

That video just proved my point for years that Witten is overrated in the leadership department by many on here just because they like him.

LOL!

Oh man.

You just can't help yourself.

When you commit as many penalties as Witten it's hard to sell yourself as a good leader. just sayin

How many has he committed this year? When was the last one that he had?

 

[hammer1]

Cue the schmucks now who think this makes him a better "leader" than Romo.

Schmucks?

Kitna is without-a-doubt a better "leader" than Romo. I hope Romo has learned from watching how Kitna handles the offense and applys what he's learned when he comes back.

It will only make him better.

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

Here's hoping Tony doesn't learn the habit of tripping on the center's feet like a big clumsy idiot 3 times a game from Kitna.

 

[Brian_C82]

I watched the video. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill. All he did was tell Gronkowski to get in the game. Eight pages of discussion over nothing.

 

[landryscorner]

When you commit as many penalties as Witten it's hard to sell yourself as a good leader. just sayin

I haven't seen him have too many penalties but...
I have seen poor blocking from him especially this season...far too many for a
supposedly HOFer

 

[hammer1]

Here's hoping Tony doesn't learn the habit of tripping on the center's feet like a big clumsy idiot 3 times a game from Kitna.

Uh...yeah.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Wait a minute. I never said anything about Weeks 1 through 6. I was talking about the absence of Kitna's "leadership" in the Giants, Jaguars, and Packers games. You've tried every which way to avert answering the question. By averting the argument, you're tacitly conceding it to me: Kitna's leadership on this team has been cultivated by Garrett's new system.

Whatever dude. Believe what you want I'm not going to debate this with you anymore.

If you think a 38 year old quarterback suddenly developed leadership from a 45 year old head coach, go ahead and believe it.

I for one think it's comical to even suggest.

 

[The Emperor]

Whatever dude. Believe what you want I'm not going to debate this with you anymore.

If you think a 38 year old quarterback suddenly developed leadership from a 45 year old head coach, go ahead and believe it.

I for one think it's comical to even suggest.

Which leads us back to the questions you don't want to answer: where were these leadership skills against the Giants the first time, the Jaguars, and the Packers?

 

[NextGenBoys]

Which leads us back to the questions you don't want to answer: where were these leadership skills against the Giants the first time, the Jaguars, and the Packers?

You're essentially basing the leadership of Jon Kitna off of three games.

While I on the other hand have gone back as far as 2002 in his time with Cincinnati.

I don't know where his leadership was in those three games, and I don't care. Jon Kitna is a good leader no matter what team he is on, or who his head coach is.

 

[The Emperor]

You're essentially basing the leadership of Jon Kitna off of three games.

While I on the other hand have gone back as far as 2002 in his time with Cincinnati.

I don't know where his leadership was in those three games, and I don't care. Jon Kitna is a good leader no matter what team he is on, or who his head coach is.

Just not for Wade Phillips.

Anyway, I thought you were going to drop it.

 

[BubbleScreen]

You're essentially basing the leadership of Jon Kitna off of three games.

While I on the other hand have gone back as far as 2002 in his time with Cincinnati.

I don't know where his leadership was in those three games, and I don't care. Jon Kitna is a good leader no matter what team he is on, or who his head coach is.

Hey, maybe you're right. But if you are, don't you agree that QB leadership isn't the end-all, be-all that some seem to think? After all, Kitna's leadership was as valuable as a cup of warm Gatorade in terms of winning until Garrett took over.

Dallas is lucky to have Kitna, and certainly he has qualities Romo doesn't. But it seems obvious that better leadership from Romo wont mean much if the defense isn't fixed or the OL isn't upgraded. It sure didn't help Kitna.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Hey, maybe you're right. But if you are, don't you agree that QB leadership isn't the end-all, be-all that some seem to think? After all, Kitna's leadership was as valuable as a cup of warm Gatorade in terms of winning until Garrett took over.

Dallas is lucky to have Kitna, and certainly he has qualities Romo doesn't. But it seems obvious that better leadership from Romo wont mean much if the defense isn't fixed or the OL isn't upgraded. It sure didn't help Kitna.

Absolutely agree. I'm not trying to suggest Kitna would be better at the helm than Romo. Not at all.

All I've said in this thread is that A.) Kitna is the better leader, and B.) He has been a good leader his entire career.

That's all. Emporer just wants thinks that when our entire team gave up, since Kitna wasn't the same leader that Garrett is the sole reason.

Garrett gets credit for it, which I've said, but Kitna was a leader far before Garrett took over our team.