Knock, knock. Who's there? Karma. And she's undefeated

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After seeing Jerry very briefly as he addressed the media last night, it was sadly obvious- he has become a pathetic old echo chamber. He only listens to those who tell him what he wants to hear. He only speaks to those who won’t call him out. That circle is shrinking. He doesn’t care as much about winning games as he does the visual aesthetics at his theater, uh I mean stadium.

Fewer fans are buying the kool aid. Fewer still think he has any credibility left. Boos and empty seats are only drowned out by the cheers of the opposing fans taking up half of AT&T. He’s become a shallow character- a carnival barker who’s getting old; the old tricks don’t work any more- and even he knows it. Lies about the salary cap and free agency options; lies about how “close” his teams have been. His past multitude of skeletons once hidden in payoffs and non-disclosure agreements are being discovered- even those he thought his money could silence. Welcome to the digital age Jerry.

Karma is knocking on his door. And Karma cannot be paid off and doesn’t sign NDAs. Everywhere he turns these days, mirrors are popping up. The clock is ticking louder and louder. His once vibrant energy has faded. He looks old and his charade of trying to prove he is a football guru is now only accepted within the family circle and the fewer and fewer fans who love him anyway.

The day Jerry heard Jimmy Johnson had been elected to the Pro Football HOF may have been the worst day in Jerry’s life. In his mind, his HOF election now probably takes a backseat to Jimmy’s. Because Jerry is in the hall as a “contributor”. Jimmy is in as head coach. It’s obvious who the real “football man” is.

Yep. Better answer the door Jerry. Karma is on the front porch and she can’t be bought or silenced. Karma is undefeated. The clock nears midnight. Maybe it’s time to change. Maybe it’s time to step aside. This mess is yours.

Football Karma don’t care how much money your team is worth. It only pays attention to great rosters who get lots of playoff wins. And Jerry and his giggling entitled son don’t know what they’re doing when it comes to building a great roster in the cap era.

Knock, knock. Who’s there? Uh Jerry it’s for you. Some lady named Karma. And she can’t be paid off.
Very well said, Sir!

My favorite part was:
Boos and empty seats are only drowned out by the cheers of the opposing fans
 

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Ok…call it consequences for prior actions. Or reaping what you sow. Or receiving back what you gave…

Karma, consequences…whatever you want to call it happens for sure.
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After seeing Jerry very briefly as he addressed the media last night, it was sadly obvious- he has become a pathetic old echo chamber. He only listens to those who tell him what he wants to hear. He only speaks to those who won’t call him out. That circle is shrinking. He doesn’t care as much about winning games as he does the visual aesthetics at his theater, uh I mean stadium.

Fewer fans are buying the kool aid. Fewer still think he has any credibility left. Boos and empty seats are only drowned out by the cheers of the opposing fans taking up half of AT&T. He’s become a shallow character- a carnival barker who’s getting old; the old tricks don’t work any more- and even he knows it. Lies about the salary cap and free agency options; lies about how “close” his teams have been. His past multitude of skeletons once hidden in payoffs and non-disclosure agreements are being discovered- even those he thought his money could silence. Welcome to the digital age Jerry.

Karma is knocking on his door. And Karma cannot be paid off and doesn’t sign NDAs. Everywhere he turns these days, mirrors are popping up. The clock is ticking louder and louder. His once vibrant energy has faded. He looks old and his charade of trying to prove he is a football guru is now only accepted within the family circle and the fewer and fewer fans who love him anyway.

The day Jerry heard Jimmy Johnson had been elected to the Pro Football HOF may have been the worst day in Jerry’s life. In his mind, his HOF election now probably takes a backseat to Jimmy’s. Because Jerry is in the hall as a “contributor”. Jimmy is in as head coach. It’s obvious who the real “football man” is.

Yep. Better answer the door Jerry. Karma is on the front porch and she can’t be bought or silenced. Karma is undefeated. The clock nears midnight. Maybe it’s time to change. Maybe it’s time to step aside. This mess is yours.

Football Karma don’t care how much money your team is worth. It only pays attention to great rosters who get lots of playoff wins. And Jerry and his giggling entitled son don’t know what they’re doing when it comes to building a great roster in the cap era.

Knock, knock. Who’s there? Uh Jerry it’s for you. Some lady named Karma. And she can’t be paid off.
Are there any other contributors in the HOF? Seems like something made up just to get the old bag in.
 

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Actually, he's not anti social at all, pretty cool to talk to. Unethical and disgusting? No argument from me on these...
So what is he doing to be called social ?

  • How much of his money did he give back say in taxes to the community. So people thru the gouvernment can help themself instead of being depended on the mood of a billionair?
  • What did he build for society ? So many people in the US are homeless. Has he bought them houses to live in?
  • Enough possibilities to spend the money you earned from the people in a social way.
  • Does he spend (most of) his time to social organisations? Helping them (with money and insight) to do their work.
  • Those questions dont only apply to the US. With so much money he could help people all over the world: Pakistan people for instance are very poor. In Spain their was a big flood, people there need help. People in africa are poor mostly because of imperialism of countries like the one he comes from. So help would be mandatory.

How much of his money did he use to give away or to build stuff for people in need without investement in mind?
30%, 50%, 70%, 90% ?


  • But hey he threatens people who just doing their jobs to fire them. So you think that is very social ?
  • He was the main reason the NFL is now what it is: A money making machine. That prices for tickets, parking lots, watching the NFL in TV are now so much higher is also because of him. So the "normal" people cant visit games anymore.
    Thats all just because he wanted to earn more money. Not because he had in mind to help others with that. That sounds social to you ?
Just two examples who this guy is.


Just because he talked to you in a nice way does not make him a social person.

The guy is a fake thru and thru. Dont fall for such people. They are interessted only in themselfs.
 

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Are there any other contributors in the HOF? Seems like something made up just to get the old bag in.
Yes, it’s a category they have a list of candidates each year.

Attached is an example of list of candidates for 2025. Names like Chris Berman from ESPN. Howard Cosell longtime famed MNF announcer. And owners like Kraft from the Pats and former Browns owner Art Modell.

Contributor is basically a category for no direct football contributions. Usually owners, commissioners even announcers or like Steve Sabol of NFL films.

I’m a huge critic of Jethro Jone$ but unfortunately his contributions directly related to his revenue streams along with influences in Fox tv deals, NFL Network and more recently Fantasy to the game are worthy.

Some fans though believe it’s credited to his 3 SB rings as GM but it’s not. It’s all about his contributions off the field.

https://apnews.com/article/pro-football-hall-fame-kraft-4639b76c01fbb41c750855318eee9657
 

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So what is he doing to be called social ?

  • How much of his money did he give back say in taxes to the community. So people thru the gouvernment can help themself instead of being depended on the mood of a billionair?
  • What did he build for society ? So many people in the US are homeless. Has he bought them houses to live in?
  • Enough possibilities to spend the money you earned from the people in a social way.
  • Does he spend (most of) his time to social organisations? Helping them (with money and insight) to do their work.
  • Those questions dont only apply to the US. With so much money he could help people all over the world: Pakistan people for instance are very poor. In Spain their was a big flood, people there need help. People in africa are poor mostly because of imperialism of countries like the one he comes from. So help would be mandatory.

How much of his money did he use to give away or to build stuff for people in need without investement in mind?
30%, 50%, 70%, 90% ?


  • But hey he threatens people who just doing their jobs to fire them. So you think that is very social ?
  • He was the main reason the NFL is now what it is: A money making machine. That prices for tickets, parking lots, watching the NFL in TV are now so much higher is also because of him. So the "normal" people cant visit games anymore.
    Thats all just because he wanted to earn more money. Not because he had in mind to help others with that. That sounds social to you ?
Just two examples who this guy is.


Just because he talked to you in a nice way does not make him a social person.

The guy is a fake thru and thru. Dont fall for such people. They are interessted only in themselfs.
Much of this is true. But it all goes back to his conversation with Tex Schramm who told him that the famed success off the field was directly related to the success on the field.

It’s why the Cowboys were in negative cash flow when Jethro bought the team cause we had 3 consecutive losing seasons. Which translated to fewer butts in the seats, many local games blackouts due to non sellouts.

Jethro knew in order for him to maintain his celebrity football guy status wearing all hats as owner , Pres and GM he’d need to have some success on the field early this turn the support around and then pursue increased revenue generating mechanisms which would basically eliminate the need for on field success to maintain the off field success which Schramm had told him was necessary.

And to his credit he has achieved his goal beyond his expectations. So far he’s been able to manage whatever pushback there’s been publicly as he has felt all along only he could manage publicly. It’s why we don’t hear from anyone else in our organization as he’s intent he’s the only one who can stave it off attempting to control the narrative.

He’s being challenged of course this season but I wouldn’t wager against him staving this off preventing us from the ultimate changes at the top we all would like. Instead he’ll make coaching changes to bring some renewed hope or fresh start back next year. Use other excuses like Cap Mgmt and key injuries to our QB, etc which some are valid contributing factors.

And as always each offseason many fans will return to a potential fresh start with all of the renewed optimism that comes from the prospects looking ahead to a new season.

But we must always remember that our owner will never place winning as top priority above his own selfish ambitions and egotistical and narcissistic control of football operations. Afterall winning super bowls wasn’t enough if he didn’t receive the credit he was pursuing of becoming not only the face of his franchise but a celebrity football guy.

He figured out early on that only these brilliant revenue streams would allow him to continue his ways without more success on the field. And unfortunately fans have helped provide him record revenue and continued success off the field despite the lack of success on the field this era.
 
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Great stuff Bob. Preach on brother!!

Unfortunately he’s not going anywhere. He’ll try to turn it around next year. And the next.

We are only the last 3 years removed from the best run this Century. That was enough for many fans to buy in and fall for the hype .

And after this debacle of a season it won’t take much to get some of these fans wanting to buy in again.

Bad news is we are losing even more top talents to Cap next year . And we’ll sign Parsons to become the highest paid non QB in the league.

Going to be tough to rebuild with 3 players taking up almost half the Cap. We’ll be totally dependent on having a big impact in draft with so many needs.

Jethro will be looking to make a big splash in draft. Probably a RB, maybe a WR. Along with a new HC. Much for Homers to get excited about.
Rinse and Repeat:)
The right HC would turn things around quick.

we have talent.
 

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The right HC would turn things around quick.

we have talent.
The right head coach and talent are an effective combination for any team. The transition from poor-to-better team performance has proven correct for any team as well.

However, what is the expectation of having both the right head coach and talent in Dallas? Is it a combination of:
  1. being competitive and execute effectively in all games, for three-to-four quarters per game, in both wins and losses?
  2. having the actual capability of reaching a conference championship?
  3. realistically appearing in a Super Bowl?
These are questions anyone must ask themselves when following the Cowboys overseen by Jerry Jones.

The right coach, e.g. Jimmy Johnson, plus talent was realistic with Johnson's influence overriding Jones'.

Barry Switzer inherited Johnson's team, infused with the leadership of a core of Hall of Famers, driving a talented team despite Jones. Was Switzer the right head coach? Or was he a head coach gifted with an optimally talented team?

Was Chan Gailey the right head coach? Gailey received aged players with little, talented youth infusion.

Let's not insult anyone's intelligence discussing either Dave Campo and his available talent.

Unquestionably, Bill Parcells was the right coach, who attempted to infuse Parcells-type talent. The combination may have worked given time. Eventually, that time never grew to logical fruition.

Wade Phillips has always been a very good-to-great defensive coordinator. Interim and hired head coaching gigs with New Orleans, Denver, Buffalo and Atlanta, with or without the 'right talent' before his Dallas opportunity, established his qualification as a 'right head coach' before his hire. He wasn't.

Ironically, Phillips was the right defensive coordinator and coached Hall of Fame talent drafted by Jones and Dallas. Phillips and Demarcus Ware help the Broncos win Super Bowl 50.

Jason Garrett's coaching resume was poor being hired as a head coach. The right talent level did increase during his long tenure but Garrett was never the right head coach to begin with.

Mike McCarthy walked in the door with a Super Bowl head coaching win under his belt. He received good enough talent to work with. Three straight 12-5 regular seasons, ending without competitive postseason advancement, made his distinction as 'the right head coach' dubious in hindsight.

That is a comprehensive track record of Jones' head coaching hires. Jones is certainly capable of finding and hiring the right head coach--if he played with one in college or wanted a big enough name in pursuit of securing a billion-dollar stadium.

Additionally, Jones is adept enough in cobbling together enough front office and scouting staff in evaluating good-or-better draft and free agent talent. He remains the GM making the final decisions. For example, his is one who continues late in life pulling off maverick deals like self-assessing and pulling out all the stops for 'talent' like Trey Lance.

So. Again. What should be the expectation of anyone following Dallas, getting the 'right head coach', who may (or may not) find himself with a talented roster? I think it is a fair question, following 30 years of an individual trial-and-erroring to duplicate Super Bowl winning success, that he never achieved on his own to begin with.

/long rant

PS: the Mad Genius decision-making ability likely can be summed up in his building an east-west stadium--probably to satisfy his PT Barnum mentality of showing off his masterpiece's name to anyone marveling it from I-30.

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After seeing Jerry very briefly as he addressed the media last night, it was sadly obvious- he has become a pathetic old echo chamber. He only listens to those who tell him what he wants to hear. He only speaks to those who won’t call him out. That circle is shrinking. He doesn’t care as much about winning games as he does the visual aesthetics at his theater, uh I mean stadium.

Fewer fans are buying the kool aid. Fewer still think he has any credibility left. Boos and empty seats are only drowned out by the cheers of the opposing fans taking up half of AT&T. He’s become a shallow character- a carnival barker who’s getting old; the old tricks don’t work any more- and even he knows it. Lies about the salary cap and free agency options; lies about how “close” his teams have been. His past multitude of skeletons once hidden in payoffs and non-disclosure agreements are being discovered- even those he thought his money could silence. Welcome to the digital age Jerry.

Karma is knocking on his door. And Karma cannot be paid off and doesn’t sign NDAs. Everywhere he turns these days, mirrors are popping up. The clock is ticking louder and louder. His once vibrant energy has faded. He looks old and his charade of trying to prove he is a football guru is now only accepted within the family circle and the fewer and fewer fans who love him anyway.

The day Jerry heard Jimmy Johnson had been elected to the Pro Football HOF may have been the worst day in Jerry’s life. In his mind, his HOF election now probably takes a backseat to Jimmy’s. Because Jerry is in the hall as a “contributor”. Jimmy is in as head coach. It’s obvious who the real “football man” is.

Yep. Better answer the door Jerry. Karma is on the front porch and she can’t be bought or silenced. Karma is undefeated. The clock nears midnight. Maybe it’s time to change. Maybe it’s time to step aside. This mess is yours.

Football Karma don’t care how much money your team is worth. It only pays attention to great rosters who get lots of playoff wins. And Jerry and his giggling entitled son don’t know what they’re doing when it comes to building a great roster in the cap era.

Knock, knock. Who’s there? Uh Jerry it’s for you. Some lady named Karma. And she can’t be paid off.
Great post Bob. I’m not sure you heard the interview with Calvin Watkins yesterday on the Ticket, but he said Jerry’s first word to him after the MNF game were did you enjoy the fight the other night?…..it a sad state of affairs we as fans have to live with….
 

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I always thought he’d be a lot of fun to drink a beer with and tell stories. Guess Jimmy and Wannstedt didn’t quite feel that way.
Those guys were employees...good ones, Jimmy was drinking with coaches and making fun of Jerry....what would you do as a boss? I hate it happened, but I would have fired him too. Almost every man has pride, don't mess with a man with pride and power! Lol....
 

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So what is he doing to be called social ?

  • How much of his money did he give back say in taxes to the community. So people thru the gouvernment can help themself instead of being depended on the mood of a billionair?
  • What did he build for society ? So many people in the US are homeless. Has he bought them houses to live in?
  • Enough possibilities to spend the money you earned from the people in a social way.
  • Does he spend (most of) his time to social organisations? Helping them (with money and insight) to do their work.
  • Those questions dont only apply to the US. With so much money he could help people all over the world: Pakistan people for instance are very poor. In Spain their was a big flood, people there need help. People in africa are poor mostly because of imperialism of countries like the one he comes from. So help would be mandatory.

How much of his money did he use to give away or to build stuff for people in need without investement in mind?
30%, 50%, 70%, 90% ?


  • But hey he threatens people who just doing their jobs to fire them. So you think that is very social ?
  • He was the main reason the NFL is now what it is: A money making machine. That prices for tickets, parking lots, watching the NFL in TV are now so much higher is also because of him. So the "normal" people cant visit games anymore.
    Thats all just because he wanted to earn more money. Not because he had in mind to help others with that. That sounds social to you ?
Just two examples who this guy is.


Just because he talked to you in a nice way does not make him a social person.

The guy is a fake thru and thru. Dont fall for such people. They are interessted only in themselfs.
That's being a businessman and philanthropist...being social is different. Get out and try it, you might like it. Oh and he helps raise millions and millions for the salvation army....how many quarters do you drop in their buckets?
 

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Watching him the last couple of days I get the impression all this bad stuff going on is giving Jerry the feeling he needs to take more control over the team, not less. Now is is saying Lance is not going to play as if he is making that decision, not the head coach.

It was interesting listening to the talking heads, including Jane Slater, last night on NFL network Insiders. They were talking about Jerry's lack so activity in the off-season, how it took him until a few hours before the first game to sign Dak - and CeeDee. They were putting the blame on Jerry. Jane Slater was talking about the empty seats and Dallas fans selling their tickets to Houston fans and how Jerry would notice that and it would not make him very happy.

There was a time when I thought this kind of constant negative chatter about the Cowboys might cause Jerry to give up a little more control of the Cowboys. But now I am thinking it will have the opposite effect. The more criticism the team gets the more Jerry will feel like he has to take more control of the team. We are going to get a high draft pick next April. How do you feel about Jerry making his pick?
 

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Are there any other contributors in the HOF? Seems like something made up just to get the old bag in.
According to the Pro Football HOF website, there are currently 24 men considered “contributors“.

Contributors Enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame​

(Year of Enshrinement)

Bobby Beathard (2018)
Bert Bell (1963)
Charles Bidwill (1967)
Joe Carr (1963)
Al Davis (1992)
Edward J. DeBartolo, Jr. (2016)
Jim Finks (1995)
George Halas (1963)
Lamar Hunt (1972)
Jerry Jones (2017)
Curly Lambeau (1963)
Tim Mara (1963)
Wellington Mara (1997)
George Preston Marshall (1963)
Bill Polian (2015)
Hugh “Shorty” Ray (1966)
Dan Reeves (1967)
Art Rooney (1964)
Dan Rooney (2000)
Pete Rozelle (1985)
Ed Sabol (2011)
Tex Schramm (1991)
Ralph Wilson, Jr. (2009)
Ron Wolf (2015)
 

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According to the Pro Football HOF website, there are currently 24 men considered “contributors“.

Contributors Enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame​

(Year of Enshrinement)

Bobby Beathard (2018)
Bert Bell (1963)
Charles Bidwill (1967)
Joe Carr (1963)
Al Davis (1992)
Edward J. DeBartolo, Jr. (2016)
Jim Finks (1995)
George Halas (1963)
Lamar Hunt (1972)
Jerry Jones (2017)
Curly Lambeau (1963)
Tim Mara (1963)
Wellington Mara (1997)
George Preston Marshall (1963)
Bill Polian (2015)
Hugh “Shorty” Ray (1966)
Dan Reeves (1967)
Art Rooney (1964)
Dan Rooney (2000)
Pete Rozelle (1985)
Ed Sabol (2011)
Tex Schramm (1991)
Ralph Wilson, Jr. (2009)
Ron Wolf (2015)
"Bobby Beathard." Lol.
 

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"Bobby Beathard." Lol.
Most of the guys on that list were old school rich owners who never wanted to see players have any kind of free agency or fair access to the ever-growing NFL profits that the players were most responsible to make happen.

I give Jerry some credit for at least being more open to fairer compensation for players today. In that sense JJ was more forward thinking than the old guard like Bidwill, Art Rooney, George Halas and Ralph Wilson.

Obviously Jerry is waaaay overdue to step aside and these days the word “incompetent“ in more apt for him than “contributor”. But there is no question that Jerry Jones has played a huge role in making the NFL what it is today. Both good and bad.
 
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