Kudos to Norv T on sticking with the run

[Chuck 54]

The key to Norv's success or failure in SD is the same as it is for Wade in Dallas: everything depends on the play of the QB.

Last year, Rivers played way over his head all year, so this season when he sucked lemons all year, Norv got the blame for their fall from grace, when in reality teams could stack the box against #21 because they had no fear at all of the passing game.

That trade for Chambers was huge as it really added big play ability to the offense, and Chambers had a very good game yesterday.

As Rivers goes, so goes SD.

As Romo goes, so goes Dallas.

The coaches get lots of the credit or blame.

 

[Woods]

The key to Norv's success or failure in SD is the same as it is for Wade in Dallas: everything depends on the play of the QB.

Last year, Rivers played way over his head all year, so this season when he sucked lemons all year, Norv got the blame for their fall from grace, when in reality teams could stack the box against #21 because they had no fear at all of the passing game.

That trade for Chambers was huge as it really added big play ability to the offense, and Chambers had a very good game yesterday.

As Rivers goes, so goes SD.

As Romo goes, so goes Dallas.

The coaches get lots of the credit or blame.

I tend to agree with this.

If Romo plays well, like he did pre-Eagles, I think we go to the Super Bowl. We can even win it with a bit of luck.

If Romo has a poor or just average game, we're obviously in trouble in the playoffs.

I'd like to think (hope, at least) that Romo's thumb is fully healed and that TO will be good to play. If that's the case, I'd at least expect a solid performance from Romo and our offense.

 

[Eddie]

Norv's been under the gun this year. I'm happy he won yesterday. But that only means the team is at the same place they were last year.

If he can beat Indy, then he can be commended.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

Tomlinson is not the same player he was a few years back. His speed and burst have diminished greatly.

 

[Rack]

Tomlinson is not the same player he was a few years back. His speed and burst have diminished greatly.

He was the NFL MVP... ONE year ago.


If anything he's in his PRIME right now.

Not to mention he lead the NFL in rushing this year. "Diminished greatly"? Only your brain.

 

[rcaldw]

Norv's been under the gun this year. I'm happy he won yesterday. But that only means the team is at the same place they were last year.

If he can beat Indy, then he can be commended.

This is nonsense. They are ahead of where they were last year because now this team has actually won a playoff game which it NEVER did under Martyball. In fact, it was the first time in 13 years that San Diego won a playoff game.

This kind of reasoning is just another way of avoiding giving Norv Turner any credit.

What it is more about, is some of you trying to stick by your original assessment of him no matter what results the team produces under his leadership.

Whether you like it or not the Chargers have now won more playoff games under Norv Turner than they ever did under Marty S.

And by the way, for those who like to point to Turner's regular season record as a head coach (while ignoring what his situations really were in Oakland and Washington), he is now 2-1 in the playoffs as a head coach.

 

[khiladi]

I'm happy for Norv, and I would think it hilarious if somehow SD beats the Patriots in the AFC championship and LT doesn't shake BB's hand...

 

[superpunk]

This is nonsense. They are ahead of where they were last year because now this team has actually won a playoff game which it NEVER did under Martyball. In fact, it was the first time in 13 years that San Diego won a playoff game.

How far did the San Diego Chargers advance last year?

How far have they advanced this year?

I'm sorry, but your post is the nonsense, and comes across again as just shilling for Norv for no apparent reason. You can't heap praise on Norv for (thus far) worsening his team's record by 4 games, winning the pathetic west to ease into the playoffs, and then winning a game to get to the same place they made it last year.

He won a playoff game. Whoopee. He hasn't improved that team any, yet. Look for the Chargers to take a beating this weekend.

 

[rcaldw]

How far did the San Diego Chargers advance last year?

How far have they advanced this year?

Your post is the nonsense. You can't heap praise on Norv for (thus far) worsening his team's record by 4 games, winning the pathetic west to ease into the playoffs, and then winning a game to get to the same place they made it last year.

He won a playoff game. Whoopee. He hasn't improved that team any, yet. Look for the Chargers to take a beating this weekend.

I'm not HEAPING praise on Norv Turner, I'm simply giving him what he has earned. 1 more playoff win than Marty S. ever had in San Diego, one more playoff win than they have had in THIRTEEN, COUNTEM, THIRTEEN YEARS.

Can you deny that fact? Or are you just bent on being a super punk?

And, by the way, getting a bye into the 2nd round of the playoffs is a REGULAR SEASON REWARD. Nice job on finishing 14-2 Marty, but it doesn't mean squat if you get knocked out the first time you play in the season that COUNTS.

 

[superpunk]

I'm not HEAPING praise on Norv Turner, I'm simply giving him what he has earned. 1 more playoff win than Marty S. ever had in San Diego, one more playoff win than they have had in THIRTEEN, COUNTEM, THIRTEEN YEARS.

Can you deny that fact? Or are you just bent on being a super punk?

And, by the way, getting a bye into the 2nd round of the playoffs is a REGULAR SEASON REWARD. Nice job on finishing 14-2 Marty, but it doesn't mean squat if you get knocked out the first time you play in the season that COUNTS.

How far did Marty Schottenheimer advance in the playoffs last season?

How far has Norv Turner advanced in the playoffs this season?

Wait a while before blowing your Norv-wad on his amazing accomplishments this season. He made a previously great offense look average, helped Rivers to his worst NFL performance thus far, and worsened his team's record from the previous year by 4 games despite playing in perhaps the easiest division in football. And so far, he hasn't advanced any farther in the playoffs than Marty Schottenheimer did last year. I'm sure Norv was thrilled that he drew the NFL's worst starting QB for the first round - but he's accomplished nothing more than Marty Schottenheimer this year. There's a fact you can keep in your hat.

Can you deny that fact? Or are you just bent on being a super punk?

Wow. Clever.

 

[rcaldw]

How far did Marty Schottenheimer advance in the playoffs last season?

None. He didn't advance anywhere. He ARRIVED in the 2nd round based upon the regular season, and then was promptly eliminated.

How far has Norv Turner advanced in the playoffs this season?
1 round. He won a playoff game, you just don't like that fact do you? And that is 1 more playoff win than Marty had in 5 SEASONS, and 1 more playoff win than they have had in 13 years.

I'm still waiting for you to produce a factual denial of that reality. Can you do it?

I'm asking you for a straight answer superpunk? Is it or is it not the first playoff win in San Diego for the past 13 years. Can you answer that?

Wait a while before blowing your Norv-wad on his amazing accomplishments this season. He made a previously great offense look average, helped Rivers to his worst NFL performance thus far, and worsened his team's record from the previous year by 4 games despite playing in perhaps the easiest division in football. And so far, he hasn't advanced any farther in the playoffs than Marty Schottenheimer did last year. I'm sure Norv was thrilled that he drew the NFL's worst starting QB for the first round - but he's accomplished nothing more than Marty Schottenheimer this year. There's a fact you can keep in your hat.

Funny, if you read what San Diego players are saying, they aren't saying anything close to that. Must be that you have a different view of things than the very players you say he has ruined.



Wow. Clever.

Thank you.

 

[superpunk]

I'm glad you're impressed that the Chargers defeated the Titans. That Norv diminished his squad so much that instead of a first round bye, they got to draw the Titans and lowly Vince Young. That they managed to eek out a 17-6 win after being shut out in the first half.

But no matter how much you dance around it in order to praise your boy Norv - he hasn't gotten this team any farther than Marty Schottenheimer did. Obviously in the wild card game you're going to draw an easier opponent than you would after a first round bye, which Marty had because he led his team to a 14-2 record - didn't bungle his way through the NFL's easiest (or second easiest) division to a 10-6 record and HAVE to play in the wild card round.

Marty advanced (as in "got to") the divisonal round.

Norv has advanced (as in "got to") the divisonal round.

Noone gives a **** about playoff victories. It's about how far you get. And if Norv can't advance any farther than Marty, well it's just another failure in Norv's cap.

Wow....that's progress. Let's see how your boy fares against Indy. If he wins that, you won't need to spin his accomplishments this season in some pathetic attempt to compare him to Schottenheimer, and make him out to be anything more than the team-ruining coach he is.

 

[rcaldw]

I'm glad you're impressed that the Chargers defeated the Titans. That Norv diminished his squad so much that instead of a first round bye, they got to draw the Titans and lowly Vince Young. That they managed to eek out a 17-6 win after being shut out in the first half.

But no matter how much you dance around it in order to praise your boy Norv - he hasn't gotten this team any farther than Marty Schottenheimer did. Obviously in the wild card game you're going to draw an easier opponent than you would after a first round bye, which Marty had because he led his team to a 14-2 record - didn't bungle his way through the NFL's easiest (or second easiest) division to a 10-6 record and HAVE to play in the wild card round.

Marty advanced (as in "got to") the divisonal round.

Norv has advanced (as in "got to") the divisonal round.

Noone gives a **** about playoff victories. It's about how far you get. And if Norv can't advance any farther than Marty, well it's just another failure in Norv's cap.

Wow....that's progress. Let's see how your boy fares against Indy. If he wins that, you won't need to spin his accomplishments this season in some pathetic attempt to compare him to Schottenheimer, and make him out to be anything more than the team-ruining coach he is.

I'll say again, read the opinions coming out of San Diego, they are very happy right now, and giving Norv Turner credit. PLAYERS are giving Norv Turner credit. They are saying that before, if a team took away LT, and Antonio Gates had gone down, the team would not have won.

So all your blathering about a team ruining coach, is just that, blathering. If the players don't feel ruined, don't you feel ruined for them!

And Marty arrived in the wild card round before: Btw, have you actually looked at Schottenheimer's record there?

You know, he didn't just coach last year:

2005 - 9-7 missed the playoffs
2004 - 12-4, won division, LOST IN THE WILD CARD ROUND
2003 - 4-12
2002 - 8-8

Do you notice a pattern?

8-8 followed by 4-12
12-4 followed by 9-7

What makes you think that 14-2 would have been followed by another good year?

And also, do you notice that that isn't just true with Marty, that is just an NFL thing now a days.

WHERE DID THE SUPER BOWL ATTENDING, NFC CHAMPION BEARS FINISH THIS YEAR?

Ups and downs happen in the NFL, which is why the whole 14-2 thing being used against Norv Turner is ridiculous.

He took his team to their division title AND ACTUALLY WON A PLAYOFF GAME, and they play again this week.

Marty's post season record in San Diego, 0-2. Yes, even when he finished 12-4, won their division and got to play the Wild Card New York Jets, HE LOST.

Norv didn't.

Go ahead, spin some more, but the fact is, you just don't have the facts on your side in this one.

 

[Boysboy]

I'm not HEAPING praise on Norv Turner, I'm simply giving him what he has earned. 1 more playoff win than Marty S. ever had in San Diego, one more playoff win than they have had in THIRTEEN, COUNTEM, THIRTEEN YEARS.

Can you deny that fact? Or are you just bent on being a super punk?

And, by the way, getting a bye into the 2nd round of the playoffs is a REGULAR SEASON REWARD. Nice job on finishing 14-2 Marty, but it doesn't mean squat if you get knocked out the first time you play in the season that COUNTS.

If Marty were the coach, they would have KILLED Tennessee.

Seriously-last year, the Chargers lost to the New England "DYNASTY" Patriots largely thanks to that DB fumbling that INT. I repeat-the Chargers lost to the same team who won THREE Super Bowls this decade.

Norv won a playoff game against a team that had the worst QB in the league with NO weapons and with A TON of injured starters by a measely 11 pts? Big WHOOP!:laugh1:

 

[superpunk]

You're the only one spinning anything. The fact is that Norv hasn't taken this team any farther than Marty did last year - and you know that he won't because there's no way the Chargers can beat the Colts. You're not going to impress me with an amazing playoff win against the amazing Vince Young (This is sarcasm - Vince Young is terrible) to get your team to the exact same place it ended it's season last year.

Get farther than Marty did, then we can talk about Norv turning his head coaching repertoire around from "dreadful" to "improving".

Talk out of San Diego was MUCH different when the Chargers weren't winning. Lots of talk about how Norv was ruining Rivers with information overload. That went away because the defense became completely dominant to cover for how inept Norv is - but it will come back if they start to lose again. LT avoiding contact with Norv, voicing his displeasure on the sidelines. That all went down this season. Winning is a great deoderant, so Norv can thank his defense for applying some Rite-Guard to his coaching resume.

 

[rcaldw]

If Marty were the coach, they would have KILLED Tennessee.

Seriously-last year, the Chargers lost to the New England "DYNASTY" Patriots largely thanks to that DB fumbling that INT. I repeat-the Chargers lost to the same team who won THREE Super Bowls this decade.

Norv won a playoff game against a team that had the worst QB in the league with NO weapons and with A TON of injured starters by a measely 11 pts? Big WHOOP!:laugh1:

Yea, just like they killed the Jets in the wild card game 2 seasons ago? I'm sorry "would have" doesn't mean anything except what you have created in your own imagination. We can't deal with "would have", we can only deal with "what actually happened."

What actually happened is that the Chargers haven't won a playoff game in 13 years until yesterday. THAT IS REALITY. Not your speculation or mine.

And in terms of the dynasty Patriots, why don't we hold off on that? First off, the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl last year last time I checked.

Second, I kind of think that the Super Bowl winner this year will have a Star on the side of the helmet.

Go Cowboys!

 

[rcaldw]

You're the only one spinning anything. The fact is that Norv hasn't taken this team any farther than Marty did last year - and you know that he won't because there's no way the Chargers can beat the Colts. You're not going to impress me with an amazing playoff win against the amazing Vince Young (This is sarcasm - Vince Young is terrible) to get your team to the exact same place it ended it's season last year.

Get farther than Marty did, then we can talk about Norv turning his head coaching repertoire around from "dreadful" to "improving".

Talk out of San Diego was MUCH different when the Chargers weren't winning. Lots of talk about how Norv was ruining Rivers with information overload. That went away because the defense became completely dominant to cover for how inept Norv is - but it will come back if they start to lose again. LT avoiding contact with Norv, voicing his displeasure on the sidelines. That all went down this season. Winning is a great deoderant, so Norv can thank his defense for applying some Rite-Guard to his coaching resume.

Well, it was LT praising Turner in his post game yesterday, and talking about how unfair it has all been to Turner. But I don't take issue with what you are saying about winning changing the atmosphere in a locker room, it does, and they are on a 7 game winning streak right now.

Either way, what I'm most concerned about is our Cowboys, and beating the NY Giants this weekend.

Go Cowboys!

 

[khiladi]

The Titans played a hell of a ball game defensievly in shutting down LT... Plus, Gates was out and was ineffective when he was in, but they did what they needed to do against a pesky Titans defense.

 

[Boysboy]

Yea, just like they killed the Jets in the wild card game 2 seasons ago? I'm sorry "would have" doesn't mean anything except what you have created in your own imagination. We can't deal with "would have", we can only deal with "what actually happened."

What actually happened is that the Chargers haven't won a playoff game in 13 years until yesterday. THAT IS REALITY. Not your speculation or mine.

And in terms of the dynasty Patriots, why don't we hold off on that? First off, the Patriots didn't win the Super Bowl last year last time I checked.

Second, I kind of think that the Super Bowl winner this year will have a Star on the side of the helmet.

Go Cowboys!

FYI-Turner DID win a playoff game in his (long)stint with the Skins...only to screw up, big time, against the Bucs the week after. And then to screw up again the year after with a talent-loaded team.

BTW-the '96 Skins were the ONLY 7-1 team NOT to make the playoffs. How's that?:laugh2: