Labor Deal ended per Upshaw

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Gene Upshaw was just on Sirius NFL radio and announced the end of the labor deal. Upshaw stated he received an email early this morning from Commisioner Goddell stating the owners have unanimously voted to end the current labor deal. He said his response was only "Big suprise" Says they are on the clock to work a new deal and once we go into an uncapped year it will never go back.

You heard it here first ;)
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Well, now that Jerry knows what he has to work with, he will get cracking on resigning his players.
 

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According to what I have heard the owners were not thrilled with the contract agreement from the get go but Tags pushed it through. This time around the owners I doubt are going to settle for another bad agreement
 

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k19;2087906 said:
Gene Upshaw was just on Sirius NFL radio and announced the end of the labor deal. Upshaw stated he received an email early this morning from Commisioner Goddell stating the owners have unanimously voted to end the current labor deal. He said his response was only "Big suprise" Says they are on the clock to work a new deal and once we go into an uncapped year it will never go back.

You heard it here first ;)
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That part shocks me the most.

When does that ever happen?

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This is just the beginning of the process to get a new deal in place. Don't expect anyhting to happen quickly. This will take awhaile. Nobody should panic, but we should expect a fair bit of posturing.
 

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Phrozen Phil;2087942 said:
This is just the beginning of the process to get a new deal in place. Don't expect anyhting to happen quickly. This will take awhaile. Nobody should panic, but we should expect a fair bit of posturing.

I agree.

Would be nice to see a compiled list by experts of the Pros and Cons of not having a cap.

I would think the Cons far outweigh the Pros.
 

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THE CBA SPIN CYCLE COMMENCES
Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 10:28 a.m.

We heard that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell was trying to persuade owners not to vote now on opting out early of the Collective Bargaining Agreement because Goodell feared that the move would trigger bad press for the league.

Apparently, the ultimate decision was to move forward — and then to try to control the P.R. regarding the move.

Moments after posting an item about the unanimous decision to pull the plug after the 2010 season, we received by e-mail a press release from the Baltimore Ravens setting forth several management-side talking points.

The release emphasizes the fact that football will continue without interruption for at least three more seasons.

The release also characterizes the uncapped year (2010) as a “season [that] will be played without a salary cap under rules that also limit the free agency rights of the players,” which is an accurate description that many players simply don’t realize.

The release characterizes the issues as follows:

“A collective bargaining agreement has to work for both sides. If the agreement provides inadequate incentives to invest in the future, it will not work for management or labor. And, in the context of a professional sports league, if the agreement does not afford all clubs an opportunity to be competitive, the league can lose its appeal.

“The NFL earns very substantial revenues. But the clubs are obligated by the CBA to spend substantially more than half their revenues — almost $4.5 billion this year alone — on player costs. In addition, as we have explained to the union, the clubs must spend significant and growing amounts on stadium construction, operations and improvements to respond to the interests and demands of our fans. The current labor agreement does not adequately recognize the costs of generating the revenues of which the players receive the largest share; nor does the agreement recognize that those costs have increased substantially — and at an ever increasing rate — in recent years during a difficult economic climate in our country. As a result, under the terms of the current agreement, the clubs’ incentive to invest in the game is threatened.

“There are substantial other elements of the deal that simply are not working. For example, as interpreted by the courts, the current CBA effectively prohibits the clubs from recouping bonuses paid to players who subsequently breach their player contacts or refuse to perform. That is simply irrational and unfair to both fans and players who honor their contracts. Also irrational is that in the current system some rookies are able to secure contracts that pay them more than top proven veterans.”

The last paragraph is the key, in our view. This fight might not be about reducing the 59 cents on the dollar that the players now receive. The goal might be to ensure that the players don’t try to get more — and to reverse the terms from the last CBA that the league overlooked as the owners tried to come up with an acceptable plan for sharing unshared revenues.

And that’s the one issue that the release ignores: The ability of the owners to come up with a long-term solution to the problem of the disparity in total revenues between teams making the most, and teams making the least. The use of a salary cap based on all revenues makes the player costs eat more deeply into the profits of the teams that generate the least revenue.

The supplemental revenue sharing plan apparently isn’t making enough of the owners happy, and it’s a problem that could ultimately cause the owners to fracture.

So even though a possible work stoppage is the thing about which most fans will periodically fret over the next couple of years, the actual worst-case scenario is the splitting of the NFL into two leagues — one with teams that share every penny, and one with teams that follow the “every man for himself” mold.

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OWNERS VOTE 32-0 TO OPT OUT OF CBA
Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 10:08 a.m.

What a difference two years make.

In March 2006, thirty of the league’s owners voted in favor of a Collective Bargaining Agreement that gives 59 percent of the total football revenues to the players. Now, all of them have voted to pull the plug on it two years early.

Per Adam Schefter of NFL Network, the owners voted unanimously on Tuesday morning not to extend the CBA through the 2012 season.

Only nine votes were necessary to kill the deal early. Presumably, the unanimous vote is the result of an effort by the owners to project a united front in their negotiations with the union. (We’d heard that Commissioner Roger Goodell was trying to get the owners to defer the decision. So much for that.)

It also makes us think that the owners aren’t yet serious about worst-case scenarios like an uncapped year or a work stoppage. Instead, the 32-0 vote tells us that they see no harm in trying to negotiate a better deal. The worst-case scenario would be agreeing to the same terms that they presently intend to honor for the next three seasons.

Notes from the NFL meeting

May 20, 2008 10:18 AM


Posted by ESPN.com's Pat Yasinskas.

In case you don't understand why owners just opted out of the collective bargaining agreement, here are the numbers behind it.

The league is an $8 billion-a-year business. But $4.5 billion of that (59.25 percent) goes to player costs and owners said they need to make a bigger profit.

In other news, the league just announced that all rookies will visit the Pro Football Hall of Fame as part of their orientation program. The visits will take place from May 28 through June 23. Draftees also will attend the annual rookie symposium in San Diego from June 29 through July 2. The league said the Hall of Fame visits will help rookies understand the league's history and heritage.


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Owner opt out

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The news of the owners opting out of the CBA is breaking across the internet. And while this is significant enough to garner some attention, here are two words of advice: Don't worry.
Truth is, this was a formality. It was going to happen, period. Most people thought it would go down closer to the Nov. 8 deadline to void the labor deal in 2011. This, in fact, is likely a measure by the owners to jumpstart talks.

Now, there are a couple things you should know ...
  • This will have little-to-no effect on the 2008 season. Nor should it mess with the '09 season. The first problem would come in 2010, which is now, according to the terms of the opt-out, designated as an uncapped year.
  • The players don't want to get to 2010 in the current climate any more than the players do. For one thing, no cap would throw the economics of the league out of whack. And while it could mean teams like Washington or Dallas, flush with cash could open vaults (though that doesn't jive with Jerry's history), it also would also likely allow the smaller-market team to curb their spending. Plus, under the terms of the agreement, free agency rules would change, most notably keeping players from getting unrestricted status until after their sixth year, rather than their fourth.
I have to think the sides will get this done. Things were pretty dire in 2006, or seemed that way, and the union and owners worked things out. They've got plenty of time to do it now. If you want more on this, here are the thoughts of Jerry Jones and Gene Upshaw on the topic from the combine.
 

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This is the first step in the process of a lock out in just a couple of years. Do you REALLY think the Players Union is going to suddenly agree to a deal that gives them less than the 59%, which I believe is what I read on the yahoo report about a potential lock out in a couple of years if they opted out of this deal today, is what the players currently get. If you think they're suddenly going to take less, simply cause the owners want more, then you're dreaming.

This could get ugly, real ugly, and probably will long before it ever starts to get better.
 

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Wouldn't be surprised if most owners, certainly Jerry & Stephen Jones, will have been preparing for this for some time. So doubt he surprised at anything that will happen but we all know Jerry will do what is in best interest of the Cowboys. Understand many of the small market owners aren't happy with the deal but same applies for the big market teams -- but for different reasons. Assume big market team supporters probably consist of Jerry, Snyder in Washington, Mara & Jets owners in NY, whatshisname in Seattle, maybe Houston, possible Miami owner & new partner, probably Lurie in Philly & Kraft in NE & maybe the Broncos. Don't know where Baltimore owner would stand; same goes for Detroit's Ford, Atlanta & SF. Small town market owners would be Buffalo, GB, NO, Jacksonville, Tampa, KC, Minny, Arizona, Tennessee, Cincy, Cleveland, Oakland. Missed a few.
 

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DON’T COUNT ON A WORK STOPPAGE
Posted by Mike Florio on May 20, 2008, 10:50 a.m.

Though the NFL is trying its best to get fans not to interpret Tuesday’s decision to pull the plug two years early on the Collective Bargaining Agreement as the first step toward a work stoppage, there’s another reason to believe there won’t be a work stoppage.

As we mentioned on Monday, the owners can’t afford a work stoppage. Too many of them have too much debt arising from the purchase of their teams and their stadiums.

And so there won’t be a work stoppage because, as one experienced and knowledgeable media source explained to us, the owners will be ready to put replacement teams on the field as soon as a lockout or a strike commences.

“The players folded like a cheap suit last time after just three weeks by crossing the picket line in droves,” the source said. “Now that their salaries are much higher, why wouldn’t they fold again? The football players aren’t as tough as the baseball players, who come up through the minor leagues. I think [Gene] Upshaw thinks the owners will cave the way they did two years ago, but I see no signs that they will so, replacement games are their best strategy. Remember, the TV ratings were viable for them in 1987 and another sign that fans watch the uniforms, not the players in them.”

The end result in 1987? The players caved, the union decertified, and several of the players then sued the league for antitrust violations. The lawsuit was settled via the negotiation of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

That same thing could happen again, come 2011. Regardless, the likelihood that there will be no NFL football is extremely remote.

NFL statement on ending CBA
May 20, 2008 10:32 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's James Walker
Here is a copy of the NFL's statement on why owners unanimously voted to end the collective bargaining agreement.

5/20/08

NFL STATEMENT ON CBA EARLY TERMINATION DECISION

What happened?
The current collective bargaining agreement, initially negotiated in 1993, has been extended on several occasions, most recently in March 2006. The 2006 extension, which could have continued through the 2012 season, gave both the NFL and the NFLPA an option to shorten the deal by one or two years.

NFL clubs today voted unanimously to exercise that option and to continue negotiating a new agreement for the 2011 season and beyond that will work better for both the clubs and the players.

What does this mean to fans and games on the field?
Even without another agreement, NFL football will be played without threat of interruption for at least the next three seasons. The 2008 and 2009 seasons will be played with a salary cap. If there is no new agreement before the 2010 season, that season will be played without a salary cap under rules that also limit the free agency rights of the players. If not extended, the agreement would expire at the end of the 2010 league year.

We are resolved to do our best to achieve a fair agreement that will allow labor peace to continue through and beyond the 2011 season.

What are the issues?
A collective bargaining agreement has to work for both sides. If the agreement provides inadequate incentives to invest in the future, it will not work for management or labor. And, in the context of a professional sports league, if the agreement does not afford all clubs an opportunity to be competitive, the league can lose its appeal.

The NFL earns very substantial revenues. But the clubs are obligated by the CBA to spend substantially more than half their revenues almost $4.5 billion this year alone -- on player costs. In addition, as we have explained to the union, the clubs must spend significant and growing amounts on stadium construction, operations and improvements to respond to the interests and demands of our fans. The current labor agreement does not adequately recognize the costs of generating the revenues of which the players receive the largest share; nor does the agreement recognize that those costs have increased substantially -- and at an ever increasing rate -- in recent years during a difficult economic climate in our country. As a result, under the terms of the current agreement, the clubs' incentive to invest in the game is threatened.

There are substantial other elements of the deal that simply are not working. For example, as interpreted by the courts, the current CBA effectively prohibits the clubs from recouping bonuses paid to players who subsequently breach their player contacts or refuse to perform. That is simply irrational and unfair to both fans and players who honor their contracts. Also irrational is that in the current system some rookies are able to secure contracts that pay them more than top proven veterans.

Our objective is to fix these problems in a new CBA, one that will provide adequate incentives to grow the game, ensure the unparalleled competitive balance that has sustained our fans' interest, and afford the players fair and increasing compensation and benefits.



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WoodysGirl;2087951 said:
So even though a possible work stoppage is the thing about which most fans will periodically fret over the next couple of years, the actual worst-case scenario is the splitting of the NFL into two leagues — one with teams that share every penny, and one with teams that follow the “every man for himself” mold.
I have a very difficult time seeing that happen. Nor do I want that to happen.
 

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k19;2087906 said:
Gene Upshaw was just on Sirius NFL radio and announced the end of the labor deal. Upshaw stated he received an email early this morning from Commisioner Goddell stating the owners have unanimously voted to end the current labor deal. He said his response was only "Big suprise" Says they are on the clock to work a new deal and once we go into an uncapped year it will never go back.

You heard it here first ;)
Enjoy

That is until those guys getting paid $10M a year stop getting paychecks...
 

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Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown look a lot smarter to me today. They were the 2 owners who voted against the current CBA. It sure didn't take long for the other owners to come to their side.
 

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Interesting note about an uncapped year, if it came to that, is that an uncapped year has a couple of things that don't work in the players favor.

#1: If they go to an uncapped year then anyone whose suppose to be an UFA, cause they've had 4 years in the league, would actually now have to wait an additional 2 years, they have to have 6 years of NFL service before they'd be eligible for UFA. So an uncapped year would actually keep lots of players, who would have been UFA's that year, from being able to do that.

#2: In uncapped years teams are given 3 tags, rather than 2, where they can franchise a guy and put a transition tag on 2 players, rather than just one.

So, all in all, an uncapped year is not necassarily a great thing for players either.
 

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BUT I have a hunch that the small market guys are not going to be smiling much after the next agreement is signed. Jerrah and the others are not going to roll over. Thesmall market owners are going to have to work harder=right now not many of them do. And I think the players are a lot smarter then upshaw gives them credit for= they know this whole thing works a whole lot better as a partnership.
 
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