Labor Deal ended per Upshaw

[Idgit]

Interesting note about an uncapped year, if it came to that, is that an uncapped year has a couple of things that don't work in the players favor.

#1: If they go to an uncapped year then anyone whose suppose to be an UFA, cause they've had 4 years in the league, would actually now have to wait an additional 2 years, they have to have 6 years of NFL service before they'd be eligible for UFA. So an uncapped year would actually keep lots of players, who would have been UFA's that year, from being able to do that.

#2: In uncapped years teams are given 3 tags, rather than 2, where they can franchise a guy and put a transition tag on 2 players, rather than just one.

So, all in all, an uncapped year is not necassarily a great thing for players either.

If there's no cap, there's also probably no salary floor, either. For every big-spending team there will be teams that improve margins by cutting player overhead.

 

[Yeagermeister]

BUT I have a hunch that the small market guys are not going to be smiling much after the next agreement is signed. Jerrah and the others are not going to roll over. Thesmall market owners are going to have to work harder=right now not many of them do. And I think the players are a lot smarter then upshaw gives them credit for= they know this whole thing works a whole lot better as a partnership.

Jerry is probably tired of helping the owners that don't work as hard as he does to make money.

 

[Velvet Jones]

So, so far in Goodell's reign, we have had the Vick debacle, the Patriots spygate, and now the CBA falling apart. Is it just me or is he failing everywhere he can possibly fail?? I know a lot of this is not directly in his hands but wow..

 

[DallasEast]

Jerry is probably tired of helping the owners that don't work as hard as he does to make money.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I thinks it's great not having a cap... Big spenders like Jerrah will have a field day...:laugh2:

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

So, so far in Goodell's reign, we have had the Vick debacle, the Patriots spygate, and now the CBA falling apart. Is it just me or is he failing everywhere he can possibly fail?? I know a lot of this is not directly in his hands but wow..

He's not responsible for those things...

 

[AdamJT13]

Now, there are a couple things you should know ...

• This will have little-to-no effect on the 2008 season. Nor should it mess with the '09 season. The first problem would come in 2010, which is now, according to the terms of the opt-out, designated as an uncapped year.

This will have a great effect on the 2009 season, if there's no CBA extension before the end of this season. There are all kinds of salary cap rules and restrictions that take place in the "Final Capped Year" that don't exist in other years.

 

[AdamJT13]

So, so far in Goodell's reign, we have had the Vick debacle, the Patriots spygate, and now the CBA falling apart. Is it just me or is he failing everywhere he can possibly fail?? I know a lot of this is not directly in his hands but wow..

Vick's dogfighting started when Tagliabue was commissioner. The Patriots' spying started when Tagliabue was commissioner and was caught under Goodell. The CBA was signed when Tagliabue was commissioner.

You can't blame Goodell for pre-existing problems when he's the one who is fixing them (or at least trying to fix them).

 

[DallasFanSince86]

I don't know much about the CBA or Salary cap, so I could be very far off with this train of thought, but...

Could the teams come up with a way to split the profits evenly, not have a salary cap, and still keep UFA within 4 years?

 

[adamknite]

Ralph Wilson and Mike Brown look a lot smarter to me today. They were the 2 owners who voted against the current CBA. It sure didn't take long for the other owners to come to their side.

Wasn't Ralph Wilson one of the only 2 or 3 owners who voted against it the first time?

Or am I thinking of something else?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

maybe they can get rid of Upshaw also.....

 

[thewireman]

Cool, I hate the salary cap style of football

 

[AtlCB]

I see no way this situation doesn't end in a lock out or strike. Revenues should be divided 50/50 between the owners and players, and the owners will be fighting for a number close to this. The players probably want to continue the upward trend to 60%+ (probably 62%-66.7%). The owners and players may be off by more than 10% of revenues! For many owners, they now find themselves losing money due to higher salaries and a slow economy. The second problem is the argument between owners over profit sharing. I put these owners into three categories:

1. Large market owners
2. Small market owners who work hard to make money, but simply cannot compete with teams in larger cities
3. Small market owners who are cheap and/or don't work hard to market their teams

Category #2 has a legitimate gripe with category #1, while category #1 can point to category #3. Any revenue sharing should be based on how competant the management of the small market teams is, if the team is making the necessary steps to try to win, and if the team is making a legitimate attempt to market itself.

I also see rookie salaries being addressed as well. Both the owners and players want changes made, but the union does not. Expect a big fight on this issue.

The players do not realize how much they will lose in 2010 and 2011. With no floor, many small market teams will dump a lot of players in an attempt to make a profit in the uncapped years. Most of these players will be older or marginal players who will not be worth as much in free agency. The younger players will have to wait an additional two years to become free agents. Teams will also be able to keep their good players due to the additional tags. You may see a strike in 2011.

2012 may benefit the players when the younger guys start hitting free agency. If a lockout occurs, I look for it to happen before the 2012 season.

In either case, the league will bring in replacement player like it did in 1987. Since the owners don't pay the replacment players much, a year with replacement players hurts the players financially more than the owners. I predict that the players would cave first.

 

[rlgiv]

I enjoyed watching the scabs during the last strike. Especially since they won us more games that year than if there had not been a strike. I would watch them again if it comes to it.

 

[AdamJT13]

The younger players will have to wait an additional two years to become free agents.

The good news with this is that DeMarcus Ware would be a restricted free agent in 2010, rather than a UFA.

The same would be true for Spears, Hatcher, Watkins and McQuistan. Instead of UFAs, they would be RFAs.

 

[Future]

This is the first step in the process of a lock out in just a couple of years. Do you REALLY think the Players Union is going to suddenly agree to a deal that gives them less than the 59%, which I believe is what I read on the yahoo report about a potential lock out in a couple of years if they opted out of this deal today, is what the players currently get. If you think they're suddenly going to take less, simply cause the owners want more, then you're dreaming.

This could get ugly, real ugly, and probably will long before it ever starts to get better.

That's what I'm worrying about...though I hope that the owners have the foresight to prevent this.