Ladies & Gentlemen... It is Commanders Week

[30yrheel]

So you're saying Michael Irvin wasn't coked up when he attacked his teammate's throat with scissors, almost killing him? If that's a sober Michael Irvin, then maybe Nate Newton should have mellowed him out with some of his stash.

again, who cares about what you think about irvin and what he did 15 +years ago?
irvin had problems just like plenty of nfl players had and still have problems.
that's the point of the original post, that it's not just cowboys who've had run ins with the law, so don't throw stones.
Commander fans think that their players are all perfect virgin teetotalers who attend the church of the almighty gibbs, and that all cowboys are drugged up scumbags.
they're football players, and human.
get over your unhealthy obsession and enjoy the football season.

 

[Hostile]

Hos I am so pumped up over this game that I am drinkin' two Yahoo chocolate drinks at a time. I am romancing two women at a time. I am yelling at the kids to stay off of the lawn even when there are no kids in sight!
I have been waiting for this all year.
Yeah, they better run after the game. We ain't taking no prisoners (sorry about the double negatives and the bad grammar Reality)l!!!

Incidentally and coincidentally and historically, closer to home, we had the Menard County War. Yeah, sheep herders and cow herders in the 1880s or '90s, ah believe. Lots of bloodshed. Lots of cut fences, lots of retribution between men from the Junction and Menard, Texas, area.
If it was a shorter war than Lincoln County it was certainly bloodier. Texas style.
Stories of men hanging from mesquite trees and mens burnt in homes.
As if the area was not big enough to accommodate both sheep and cows.
Luckily, Dag Hammarskjöld and Bernard Baruch (and maybe Jimma Carter) mediated the war and peace reigned supreme and there was peace in the valley.

Bring on them Commanders!! I am ready!!!!!!!

(I feel a tightening in my chest and the room is spinning, but I will be OK by gametime, Hos. I will do it for you . . . .)

Pace yourself. That is my only advice.

 

[Mansta54]

So what was just being said about not taking the time to learn your own history before making comments??


Here is an ESPN article quote about one Michael Westbrook (WR, Washington Commanders):
"It's more than a little ironic that the guy... is best known for beating the heck out of teammate Stephen Davis in practice."

What was it about again? Being called gay?

Did somebody say CP as in Chu Chu the dance instructor... That's gay!!!:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Commanders fans...tell me about the peanuts.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Commanders fans...tell me about the peanuts.

All natural peanuts the best. Great snack, real healthy, boost the metabolism

 

[Hostile]

All natural peanuts the best. Great snack, real healthy, boost the metabolism

Not the ones I'm talking about, but thank you for at least responding.

I enjoyed the Va Tech UNC game BTW. Good football. Nice comeback after their QB went down.

 

[SkinsHokieFan]

Not the ones I'm talking about, but thank you for at least responding.

I enjoyed the Va Tech UNC game BTW. Good football. Nice comeback after their QB went down.

Glad you enjoyed it. I hated the first 38 minutes of the game. Worst offense in Frank Beamer's tenure at VT. The OC has to go, and go quickly. That is of course a different story

As for your post, love it. Gets me all pumped up and ready to go Sunday

 

[Hostile]

Glad you enjoyed it. I hated the first 38 minutes of the game. Worst offense in Frank Beamer's tenure at VT. The OC has to go, and go quickly. That is of course a different story

As for your post, love it. Gets me all pumped up and ready to go Sunday

That's the idea.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Come on guys. You know trying to discuss anything football-related with a Foreskins' fan is like finding a turd in a punchbowl. Pretty much disgusting and ends up getting flushed.

 

[Hostile]

Come on guys. You know trying to discuss anything football-related with a Foreskins' fan is like finding a turd in a punchbowl. Pretty much disgusting and ends up getting flushed.

Up the Academy.

 

[zrinkill]

This is pathetic. I understand it must be hard for adoring fans to acknowledge that a player is a maniac, especially when the player was so good. But this is more important than football. Michael Irvin attacked his teammate with scissors and nearly killed him. The Dallas Morning News reported (not alleged), on the basis of confidential sources (plural) that Jerry Jones paid off McIver not to cooperate with the authorities. To you, the word of JJ, Irvin, and McIver is stronger than the newspaper's story. Then you are a fool. JJ, Irvin and McIver are not going to admit to obstructing justice. To do so would be to sentence themselves to jail. Of course they are going to deny the payment. The DMN, on the other hand, has no reason to make up this story.

Speaking of unproven rumors ....

How about the rumor that Snyder has become a Scientologist and is pushing it on the whole team ..... which is why Gibbs quite.

Can we talk about that ..... or is it only the bullcrap stories from 14 years ago that you wanna talk about?

 

[yeahyeah]

**** the Commanders

 

[Dodger12]

Without knowing the specifics of Texas law, I can't be sure. But I would suspect that paying McIver to downplay the situation with the Dallas police would be obstruction of justice.

You suspect wrong. Only McIver could press charges against Irvin and if McIver accepted hush money, then that's not illegal on the part of either party. In addition, the Probation department investigated the matter and found that Irvin did not violate his probation.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

You suspect wrong. Only McIver could press charges against Irvin and if McIver accepted hush money, then that's not illegal on the part of either party. In addition, the Probation department investigated the matter and found that Irvin did not violate his probation.

Texas Penal Code:
[FONT=&quot]§ 38.05. Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
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(a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to hinder the arrest, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for an offense or, with intent to hinder the arrest, detention, adjudication, or disposition of a child for engaging in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the state, or with intent to hinder the arrest of another under the authority of a warrant or capias, he:[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot](2) provides or aids in providing the other with any means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape.[/FONT]

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[FONT=&quot]Subsection (d) makes it a felony.
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[Hostile]

Texas Penal Code:
[FONT=&quot]§ 38.05. Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution[/FONT]
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(a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to hinder the arrest, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for an offense or, with intent to hinder the arrest, detention, adjudication, or disposition of a child for engaging in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the state, or with intent to hinder the arrest of another under the authority of a warrant or capias, he:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](2) provides or aids in providing the other with any means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Subsection (d) makes it a felony.
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Hate to tell you this, but that doesn't fit the situation.

 

[Skinsmaniac]

Hate to tell you this, but that doesn't fit the situation.

The DA can prosecute even if the victim doesn't press charges. But in this situation with everyone shutting up there would be no reason to go forward with charges because it would be impossible to get a guilty verdict. That's what the police mean when they say there is nothing they can do. Jones should have gone to jail for this. Why are you so adamant about defending his disgusting behavior?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Does it even really matter? The situation was investigated and they found no evidence to support this claim that he did, or did not, slash his teammates throat with a pair of scissors.

Meanwhile the Skins had a WR, in clear view of a camera, physically assault and beat the crap out of teammate which is, last I checked, illegal as well. I don't see this guy crying about how bad a guy this dude was. There is nothing that anyone has to prove in that case, it was filmed for all the world to see, while this other stories only credible evidence are 'unnamed sources'.

Does that mean that the Irvin story isn't true? No, not at all. it's possible the scissor thing actually did happen. But there is, to this point, no actual proof of it other than unnamed sources.

Of course, I'm sure, unnamed sources have NEVER lied, or been wrong, ever in the history of such using such stellar evidence.

Again the Irvin thing could have happened, maybe even really did happen, but I wasn't there, so I don't know that it actually did happen, and to make some comment about how horrible a person is for something I can't even be 100% sure he did would be arrogant and stupid on my part.

I make fun of Irvin all the time for coke use, and hookers, and such because there is plenty of real evidence that this stuff happened.

 

[Dodger12]

Texas Penal Code:
[FONT=&quot]§ 38.05. Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]
(a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to hinder the arrest, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for an offense or, with intent to hinder the arrest, detention, adjudication, or disposition of a child for engaging in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the state, or with intent to hinder the arrest of another under the authority of a warrant or capias, he:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot](2) provides or aids in providing the other with any means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Subsection (d) makes it a felony.
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You're referencing a law that, in essence, pertains to somone who's wanted by police (ie: "under authority of a warrant") and someone (ie: family member, spouse, friend, etc.) assists that person to avoid apprehension and prosecution. Michael Irvin was never charged with a crime. He couldn't be charged with a crime unless McIver pressed charges. It's a real simple premiss and I don't know why you're reaching for straws.

The facts are not even in dispute. Irvin believed that he should have gotten his haircut before McIver because Irvin was more senior. The stupidity of the whole thing can be debated, but a fight broke out and McIver punched Irvin square in the mouth and he saw red. As the fight continued, McIver was stabbed. Cowboys fans may not like it and we may want to write it off as "horse play" but that's how it happened. I've read an an interview with Irvin and he basically relates the same story (although I can't speak for the authenticity of the interview). But that doesn't make the event a crime. Plain and simple. And any settlement with McIver isn't a crime either.

Also, there is no subsection "D" that you referenced (see below). The penal code you referenced is a Misdemeanor unless the person that you're assisting has been charged with, convicted of, or is in custody for a felony. You can spit out half truths all you want, but you only make yourself look silly and it doesn't make your position any more true.

(c) [amended 9/1/95] An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor, except that the offense is a felony of the third degree if the person who is harbored, concealed, provided with a means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape, or warned of discovery or apprehension is under arrest for, charged with, or convicted of a felony, or is in custody or detention for, is alleged in a petition to have engaged in, or has been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the grade of felony, and the person charged under this section knew that the person they harbored, concealed, provided with a means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape, or warned of discovery or apprehension is under arrest for, charged with, or convicted of a felony, or is in custody or detention for, is alleged in a petition to have engaged in, or has been adjudicated as having engaged in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the grade of felony."

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The DA can prosecute even if the victim doesn't press charges. But in this situation with everyone shutting up there would be no reason to go forward with charges because it would be impossible to get a guilty verdict. That's what the police mean when they say there is nothing they can do. Jones should have gone to jail for this. Why are you so adamant about defending his disgusting behavior?

BS. If the DA thought that there was a legit shot that any of this really happened, and there were really sources who had evidence that this stuff went on, he could have got them to talk. There is only so far a newsperson, or a source, is going to go to keep their identities secret.

You are certain it happened without being there which makes you just as blind as anyone who says there is no chance it happened without being there.

That's why it's best to not come into things like this spouting things off as if you actually KNOW they happened instead of saying you don't know for sure.

 

[gambit187]

Way to dance around the point of the post. The point is, as it was pointed out in the starting post, was that you Commanders fans like to say "yeah well Irvin was a coke head" and then run off and laugh to your friends about how cool you were for making fun of a Cowboys player who used coke.

But you love to totally ignore, and then try and spin like your guy wasn't that bad, the fact that your best DLineman, possibly ever, was just as big, if not a bigger, coke head.

Tell me again how many days did Irvin spend in prison for his drug problem and then compare that to how many days Dexter spent in prison for his.

Sorry Braveheart Dexter was not a coke head, he was something worse he was a CRACK HEAD...........
Crack poor peoples Coke.

On top of all of that the great Christian Saint Joe Gibbs allowed this man to play with out getting him any help for his Illiteracy problem. I was always taught that coaches are supposed to care about their players on an off the field in some capacity.