Lance Dunbar coming back

[darthseinfeld]

If we cut Randle, I take that percentage up to about 70%. Dunbar will certainly be our #3, his only competition will be Williams and whatever undrafted FA's we bring in.

Dunbar has almost no shot to beat McFadden out for a 53 spot. While isnt isnt an effective runner ( at least not with a decent workload) McFadden offers the skills in pass pro and receiving that teams want from a down roster back. Dunbar has no blitz pickup game to speak of and isnt even close to McFadden as a receiver out of the back

 

[mattjames2010]

Dunbar has almost no shot to beat McFadden out for a 53 spot. While isnt isnt an effective runner ( at least not with a decent workload) McFadden offers the skills in pass pro and receiving that teams want from a down roster back. Dunbar has no blitz pickup game to speak of and isnt even close to McFadden as a receiver out of the back

Williams can't block for **** either. He's essentially the same exact back as Dunbar.

So we have a rookie RB we draft and McFadden, if we let Randle go, who is our third RB? Are you banking on some undrafted FA to emerge or are you someone who is one the Williams bandwagon?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Williams can't block for **** either. He's essentially the same exact back as Dunbar.

So we have a rookie RB we draft and McFadden, if we let Randle go, who is our third RB? Are you banking on some undrafted FA to emerge or are you someone who is one the Williams bandwagon?

Id take Williams who is at least a 2 down runner over Dunbar, who is good for a screen pass or a sweep but not much else and has serious ball security issues. I think Williams is garbage too, but he offers more then Dunbar. Honestly I dont see us cutting Randle

 

[mattjames2010]

Id take Williams who is at least a 2 down runner over Dunbar, who is good for a screen pass or a sweep but not much else and has serious ball security issues. I think Williams is garbage too, but he offers more then Dunbar. Honestly I dont see us cutting Randle

Again, Williams has demonstrated more often than not he is not a 2 down runner. He is the same exact back as Dunbar, with less receiving skills and might even be worse with blocking and is injury prone. You're choosing between two similar running backs. So, which would you put the percentage higher on with starting? I'm not seeing the case for Williams beating out Dunbar, the only way this would change is we watch them both in preseason.

But I'm not ruling Randle being cut out just yet, he's about one small mistake away from working at McDs or even landing some jail time. .

 

[darthseinfeld]

Again, Williams has demonstrated more often than not he is not a 2 down runner. He is the same exact back as Dunbar, with less receiving skills and might even be worse with blocking and is injury prone. You're choosing between two similar running backs. So, which would you put the percentage higher on with starting? I'm not seeing the case for Williams beating out Dunbar, the only way this would change is we watch them both in preseason.

But I'm not ruling Randle being cut out just yet, he's about one small mistake away from working at McDs or even landing some jail time. .

Williams is a supirior runner to Dunbar. Dunbar has no skill set as a runner to speak of and can only run certain plays because any time he gets hit he ks a threat to put the ball on the ground. You not running Dunbar between. As runners him and Williams are completely different players. I dont think Williams is very, but he at least allows you to run all or most of your running plays. Dunbar definitely doesnt. To me Williams is a fring NFL player whereas Dunbar is a CFLer

 

[mattjames2010]

Williams is a supirior runner to Dunbar. Dunbar has no skill set as a runner to speak of and can only run certain plays because any time he gets hit he ks a threat to put the ball on the ground. You not running Dunbar between. As runners him and Williams are completely different players. I dont think Williams is very, but he at least allows you to run all or most of your running plays. Dunbar definitely doesnt. To me Williams is a fring NFL player whereas Dunbar is a CFLer

Where has Williams demonstrated that he's a superior runner? College? Preseason? His regular season games, he didn't look impressive at all.

Unless there is some hidden game footage somewhere of Williams, I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that he's a better runner.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Again, Williams has demonstrated more often than not he is not a 2 down runner. He is the same exact back as Dunbar, with less receiving skills and might even be worse with blocking and is injury prone. You're choosing between two similar running backs. So, which would you put the percentage higher on with starting? I'm not seeing the case for Williams beating out Dunbar, the only way this would change is we watch them both in preseason.

But I'm not ruling Randle being cut out just yet, he's about one small mistake away from working at McDs or even landing some jail time. .

I don't know about the Williams is Dunbar deux thing. When he came off Parnell at San Diego in the preseason, trucked the safety who came up to stop him and ran to the end zone, he showed more physicality than Dunbar has in two years. He also was consistent in pass protection which Dunbar has always struggled with.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Where has Williams demonstrated that he's a superior runner? College? Preseason? His regular season games, he didn't look impressive at all.

Unless there is some hidden game footage somewhere of Williams, I have no idea how you've come to the conclusion that he's a better runner.

What have you seen from Dunbar to show that he is even a viable runner. He is a guy that is a more of a threat to turn the ball over then he is to to score. Williams isnt a good back at all, but he at least has the ability and NFL expirience to take a hit and not cough the ball up.

This isnt about Williams being any good he is not. Dunbar is simply not an NFL player and offers very little if anything on this level that isn't negated by his weaknesses. Honestly I think both could be very easily replaced by a UDFA. And both should.

 

[darthseinfeld]

I don't know about the Williams is Dunbar deux thing. When he came off Parnell at San Diego in the preseason, trucked the safety who came up to stop him and ran to the end zone, he showed more physicality than Dunbar has in two years. He also was consistent in pass protection which Dunbar has always struggled with.

He's also not a threat to fumble any time someone stares at him

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's also not a threat to fumble any time someone stares at him

And he gets hurt. Football players are big for good reason. He tries in pass protection but just gets overwhelmed too easily.

 

[mattjames2010]

What have you seen from Dunbar to show that he is even a viable runner. He is a guy that is a more of a threat to turn the ball over then he is to to score. Williams isnt a good back at all, but he at least has the ability and NFL expirience to take a hit and not cough the ball up.

This isnt about Williams being any good he is not. Dunbar is simply not an NFL player and offers very little if anything on this level that isn't negated by his weaknesses. Honestly I think both could be very easily replaced by a UDFA. And both should.

Dunbar has fumbled twice. We don't know if this is a trend or not.

And I'm not saying Dunbar is a more effective runner, I'm saying he's shown about as much as Williams has as a runner and has at least shown he has good receiving skills. Williams still has a lot to prove.

 

[mattjames2010]

I don't know about the Williams is Dunbar deux thing. When he came off Parnell at San Diego in the preseason, trucked the safety who came up to stop him and ran to the end zone, he showed more physicality than Dunbar has in two years. He also was consistent in pass protection which Dunbar has always struggled with.

Where was he better in pass protection? Last preseason? Williams biggest knock is how bad he is in pass protection. Because it certainly wasn't consistent in Arizona.

 

[mattjames2010]

And he gets hurt. Football players are big for good reason. He tries in pass protection but just gets overwhelmed too easily.

So does Williams. So much that the guy has only played in 5 games his entire career.

Sorry, I'm not putting any stock in this guy ever being our third RB unless he actually shows something. Personally, I'd draft another RB in the 4th or 5th this year to put behind our first or second round rookie RB.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Can we all agree that both backs should not make the 53

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So does Williams. So much that the guy has only played in 5 games his entire career.

Sorry, I'm not putting any stock in this guy ever being our third RB unless he actually shows something. Personally, I'd draft another RB in the 4th or 5th this year to put behind our first or second round rookie RB.

So you disregard his performance this past preseason? Such a convenient bias. I would take good preseason footage from Dunbar. Got any?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Where was he better in pass protection? Last preseason? Williams biggest knock is how bad he is in pass protection. Because it certainly wasn't consistent in Arizona.

I watched the preseason intently and can mine the writeups but by my count he was perfect in picking up and executing his assignments. He was very much on the bubble all the way to the final cut so I focused on him. He was fun to watch and is an exciting runner.

Where are you getting this about him being bad? I don't know anything of him at AZ or in college because I am not a AZ or NCAA fan.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Can we all agree that both backs should not make the 53

I rank them

Williams
DMC
Randle
Dunbar

Unless DMC tanks I see it as a battle between Randle and Williams with the rookie being the third. Dunbar is just depth.

 

[mattjames2010]

So you disregard his performance this past preseason? Such a convenient bias. I would take good preseason footage from Dunbar. Got any?

In 2012, he had 15 carries for 105 yards and a TD against the Raiders. Other than that, it's a small sample size. Ryan Williams in preseason? The game he got the most carries, he had 47 yards on 12 carries and averaged 3.9 YPC, nothing remarkable.

And hell yeah I'm going to take how a player performs in regular season games over preseason. I don't even put much stock in the performance of what Dunbar did. Players often prove themselves in TC not in preseason.

I'll leave it up to the coaches to pick between Dunbar and Williams if the hypothetical situation occurs that Randle gets released. But, as of now, I'd choose Dunbar over Williams if we had to. But, as I said, I'd draft a replacement. This isn't even just for Dunbar and Williams, I will be looking for competition for McFadden and Randle as well.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

In 2012, he had 15 carries for 105 yards and a TD against the Raiders. Other than that, it's a small sample size. Ryan Williams in preseason? The game he got the most carries, he had 47 yards on 12 carries and averaged 3.9 YPC, nothing remarkable.

And hell yeah I'm going to take how a player performs in regular season games over preseason. I don't even put much stock in the performance of what Dunbar did. Players often prove themselves in TC not in preseason.

I'll leave it up to the coaches to pick between Dunbar and Williams if the hypothetical situation occurs that Randle gets released. But, as of now, I'd choose Dunbar over Williams if we had to. But, as I said, I'd draft a replacement. This isn't even just for Dunbar and Williams, I will be looking for competition for McFadden and Randle as well.

So you can read a stat line and wave your hands. Congratulations.

 

[mattjames2010]

I watched the preseason intently and can mine the writeups but by my count he was perfect in picking up and executing his assignments. He was very much on the bubble all the way to the final cut so I focused on him. He was fun to watch and is an exciting runner.

Where are you getting this about him being bad? I don't know anything of him at AZ or in college because I am not a AZ or NCAA fan.

His scouting reports coming out of college say he was poor in pass protection in college and still needed to develop. I had him in fantasy football back in 2012 so watched him often, and I'll be the first to say that while the Arizona line was awful he didn't do much to make it look better and was in no way an ideal RB to be protecting the passer.

My biggest issue though is not with his pass protection or running skills, it's how brittle he is. He's been injury prone since his sophomore year in college.