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up the middle in trhe early going...and switch to a Sweep - Pitch attack...sometimes even from the Shotgun...to throw the defense off...
Steady diet of Dives and veers but then BANG....pitch Right w/ both guards pulling...He did this to Shula in the win over Miami in the SuperBowl to a Tee....

I mention this because....


Parcells has rammed a Skinny running back into the back of his blockers ..carry after carry after carry after carry after carry.....Like a MO ...RON.
 

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Well, Purcells will never be half the coach Landry was. I know that's going to cause some hurt feelings, but it's true.
 

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ScottCase said:
up the middle in trhe early going...and switch to a Sweep - Pitch attack...sometimes even from the Shotgun...to throw the defense off...
Steady diet of Dives and veers but then BANG....pitch Right w/ both guards pulling...He did this to Shula in the win over Miami in the SuperBowl to a Tee....

I mention this because....


Parcells has rammed a Skinny running back into the back of his blockers ..carry after carry after carry after carry after carry.....Like a MO ...RON.

Different era - different situation. This is a young team, he won't do anything to put his young defense in a bad situation. He is building this team for the future, so it is not inconcievable that they will experience some growing pains. And oh yeah - this is NOT Madden football.
 

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Landry and Parcells in the same breath?

I don't think so.

But I get the point. And you are correct.

But you see, in Parcells' mind, if we executed perfectly on all those runs up the middle, we would have dominated. It's the player's fault, especially the young guys, for not executing perfectly.

If a game plan is based on perfect execution, it ain't much of a game plan, now then is it?
 

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If a game plan is based on perfect execution, it ain't much of a game plan, now then is it?

Tell that to Vince Lombardi.
 

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wileedog said:
Tell that to Vince Lombardi.


That's 40 years ago.

Sorry, it doesn't apply here.

And btw, that's where the similarities between Parcells and Lombardi end. Lombardi brought SO much more to the table.
 

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To me, the issue is the offensive line. Purcells has a huge offensive line that is not very mobile. Coach Landry always had OLs that could move well. The ability for us to sweep toss or pull two Guards in a Student Body Right type thing is not there. IMO, our inability to move our OLs has seriously prevented our offense from doing a great deal more then is does, over the years. I feel like this has been a serious shortcoming for years.

JMO
 

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Juke99 said:
That's 40 years ago.

Sorry, it doesn't apply here.

And btw, that's where the similarities between Parcells and Lombardi end. Lombardi brought SO much more to the table.

The point was Lombardi had about 3 plays in his whole play book, and just ran 'em over and over and over.

And yet its his name on the trophy.

Then there's guys like Spurrier that come along with all kinds of X's and O's and lines and diagrams and formations and motions and hoodoo voodoo. And they get creamed.

Maybe you can't demand the type of execution Lombardi dd in his day, but you sure as hell can look for better than these players are delivering.

Pittsburgh aint running anything to fancy these days. Just ram the ball down your throat with an occasional play action pass. They don't seem to have a problem with 'gameplans'.
 

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Juke99 said:
If a game plan is based on perfect execution, it ain't much of a game plan, now then is it?

This is great Jukey!

Im gonna use this at my budgeting meeting tomorrow! Give me some more good Jukeisms!!
 

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The point was Lombardi had about 3 plays in his whole play book, and just ran 'em over and over and over.

And yet its his name on the trophy.

Then there's guys like Spurrier that come along with all kinds of X's and O's and lines and diagrams and formations and motions and hoodoo voodoo. And they get creamed.

Maybe you can't demand the type of execution Lombardi dd in his day, but you sure as hell can look for better than these players are delivering.

Pittsburgh aint running anything to fancy these days. Just ram the ball down your throat with an occasional play action pass. They don't seem to have a problem with 'gameplans'.

In the early 90s, our offense was about as simple as you could get. You knew what was coming. You just couldn't stop it. We were very succesful with that approach.
 

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wileedog said:
The point was Lombardi had about 3 plays in his whole play book, and just ran 'em over and over and over.

And yet its his name on the trophy.

Then there's guys like Spurrier that come along with all kinds of X's and O's and lines and diagrams and formations and motions and hoodoo voodoo. And they get creamed.

Maybe you can't demand the type of execution Lombardi dd in his day, but you sure as hell can look for better than these players are delivering.

Pittsburgh aint running anything to fancy these days. Just ram the ball down your throat with an occasional play action pass. They don't seem to have a problem with 'gameplans'.


Thank you for the education about Lombardi. I saw those games before you were born.

Your choice of Spurrier as a counter point to Lombardi is ludicrous. How about Bill Walsh? How about just about every offensive system in the NFL for the last 20 years?

My point is this...EVERY time we lose, all we hear about is mistakes...the idea is to put together a system that doesn't grind to a halt when things aren't executed perfectly for an entire game.

You want an example of that?

The team we played Sunday had more penalties at more critical times than we did; by far.

Yet, they won.

The same can be said in the Commander game. We outplayed them for 55 minutes. Clearly.

Yet, they won.

I have no problem with a conservative game plan. But what we have seen is just flat out stupid. Every now and then, do SOMETHING to loosen up the defense so they can't load up against us.

And the irony is, we are playing as if we have a rookie at QB. Hell, the Jets weren't this conservative with Bollinger starting. Why have Bledsoe back there, with all his experience?

I'm not suggesting we throw the ball all over the field.

Even in the first half of the first season, with no where near the talent here, Parcells did some terrific game planning. We'd run out of three wide formations that were implemented in order to spread the defense..etc.

This version of Parcells is a caricature of himself.
 

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Juke99 said:
Thank you for the education about Lombardi. I saw those games before you were born.

You're gonna have to be careful here Juke. I sense a bit of the crotcheties creeping in.

;)
 

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Juke99 said:
Thank you for the education about Lombardi. I saw those games before you were born.
Sorry for assuming you were younger.

I'm sure in another context you would probably be happy about that... :)

Even in the first half of the first season, with no where near the talent here, Parcells did some terrific game planning. We'd run out of three wide formations that were implemented in order to spread the defense..etc.

You know what's ironic is that I think Bill did that because he thought he didn't have much talent to begin with. He thought he would have to spread defenses, open things up, get away from the things he normally did to be successful to get what he could out of a very flawed team. The bounces fell right for a while until teams figured out how to screw up Quincy regardless of the game plan.

I think his problem this year is he wants a grind it out running game so bad he can taste it. He has a very good RB. On paper his O-line is much improved. He has two good TEs. He knows he has a young, mistake prone defense and he wants to keep them off the field as much as possible. He desperately wants to keep Bledsoe out of 3rd and longs where he can be blitzed to death. I really think all the early running is just trying to get these guys uncorked.

The execution simply has not been there.

I'm not holding Parcells blameless. I actually agree that we should take a shot or two earlier in the game, and/or spread some things. I agree he ran up the middle too much against the Raiders.

I just think the criticism is way overboard when you look at what Bill has and what he wants to do. Our receivers are good, but they are not the 2000 Rams. Our TE is great, but has been getting a lot of defensive attention. Our QB comes in with a reputation for creating TO's the last several years, and perhaps is still being 're-indoctrinated' to BP football if you will.

Bill said his big mistake last year was thinking he had more firepower than he had. This year perhaps so far the pendulum has swung the other way, but its still pretty early in the year.
 

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Landry had Calvin Hill, Tony Dorsett, Walt Garrison and Robert Newhouse
 

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ScottCase said:
up the middle in trhe early going...and switch to a Sweep - Pitch attack...sometimes even from the Shotgun...to throw the defense off...
Steady diet of Dives and veers but then BANG....pitch Right w/ both guards pulling...He did this to Shula in the win over Miami in the SuperBowl to a Tee....

I mention this because....


Parcells has rammed a Skinny running back into the back of his blockers ..carry after carry after carry after carry after carry.....Like a MO ...RON.

Yet Landry himself was constantly second guessed when Dallas lost a game. Funny how all coaches are second guessed after a loss.
 

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ScottCase said:
Parcells has rammed a Skinny running back into the back of his blockers ..carry after carry after carry after carry after carry.....Like a MO ...RON.

You mean like Curtis Martin?

Or Emmitt Smith?
 

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It would be interesting to see how defenses are playing us in the run game. How often are we playing against 8 men etc.

I think this would be a very telling statistic.
 

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ABQCOWBOY said:
You're gonna have to be careful here Juke. I sense a bit of the crotcheties creeping in.

;)


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I'm taking after the coach.
 
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