Las Vegas Raiders

[iceberg]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...location-papers-to-move-from-oakland-to-vegas

 

[csirl]

NFL had a small LA problem in recent years. Now they have a big California problem. The league is an uncertain mess in the State.

This uncertainty will hit the league nationwide. Many fans will turn off until it settles.

I think the whole thing is being handled poorly. NFL knew about these moves 3-4 years ago and already knows the consequential moves to come. Would be better coming out and saying - all part of a big realignment strategy being played out until the early 20s - rather than what currently looks like an unplanned mess.

 

[haleyrules]

Too bad. The raiders belong in Oakland. The death of Tradition.

 

[joseephuss]

NFL had a small LA problem in recent years. Now they have a big California problem. The league is an uncertain mess in the State.

This uncertainty will hit the league nationwide. Many fans will turn off until it settles.

I think the whole thing is being handled poorly. NFL knew about these moves 3-4 years ago and already knows the consequential moves to come. Would be better coming out and saying - all part of a big realignment strategy being played out until the early 20s - rather than what currently looks like an unplanned mess.

The Raiders moving to Vegas and the Chargers moving to LA does not come across as unplanned to me. There have been talks and speculation about this for years. Perhaps it is messy. Anytime a franchise has moved it has been messy. There is no clean way to make a move. Even Dallas moving across the metroplex from Irving to Arlington was considered messy to some. I just don't see the unplanned part. Anyone paying attention knew these moves have been in the works. I think it even applies to the Rams. We all knew they weren't destined to stay in St. Louis. The same way we know Jaguars aren't long for Jacksonville.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

The Raiders moving to Vegas and the Chargers moving to LA does not come across as unplanned to me. There have been talks and speculation about this for years. Perhaps it is messy. Anytime a franchise has moved it has been messy. There is no clean way to make a move. Even Dallas moving across the metroplex from Irving to Arlington was considered messy to some. I just don't see the unplanned part. Anyone paying attention knew these moves have been in the works. I think it even applies to the Rams. We all knew they weren't destined to stay in St. Louis. The same way we know Jaguars aren't long for Jacksonville.

He didn't say anything was unplanned

 

[csirl]

The next move is Jax to London. Though Brexit may force a rethink. Followed by Chargers to Frankfurt, Germany. The Chargers move to LA is designed to fail - moving from LA to Germany will be a lot less emotive than directly from SD.

Back to Jax - I wonder if Brexit brings places like Paris, Milan and Berlin back into the mix? UK has some very though times ahead.

 

[joseephuss]

He didn't say anything was unplanned

No, he said it "looks like an unplanned mess".

 

[NickZepp]

The next move is Jax to London. Though Brexit may force a rethink. Followed by Chargers to Frankfurt, Germany. The Chargers move to LA is designed to fail - moving from LA to Germany will be a lot less emotive than directly from SD.

Back to Jax - I wonder if Brexit brings places like Paris, Milan and Berlin back into the mix? UK has some very though times ahead.

Brit economy's been doing better since Brexit. Not sure it'll really effect a future move if it happens. NFL's expanded to more games next year after a Brexit happens. Only thing maybe keeping it from happening is scheduling 8 games. It would be unfair to 8 teams having to go so far on a short week.

 

[roughneck266]

Too bad. The raiders belong in Oakland. The death of Tradition.

Tradition means nothing anymore. Chargers belonged to San Diego. I mean, really what would Ron Burgundy do. I just dont see LA supporting two teams. They already have a record of not supporting one. I would hope that Las Vegas would at least be better.

 

[csirl]

Brit economy's been doing better since Brexit. Not sure it'll really effect a future move if it happens. NFL's expanded to more games next year after a Brexit happens. Only thing maybe keeping it from happening is scheduling 8 games. It would be unfair to 8 teams having to go so far on a short week.

Brexit hasn't happened yet - will be in March 2019. Financial firms in the city of London are looking for new HQs in Dublin, Franfurt and Paris. UK will be excluded from the European free trade area - ala Belarus, Albania and Moldova. Not good company. Neighboring countries are already bracing themselves for an influx of economic migrats from UK. Countries such as Ireland are seeing a surge in passport applications as British people search back on their family trees looking for citizenship of an EU country. Believe me when Brexit happens it won't be pretty.

 

[NickZepp]

Brexit hasn't happened yet - will be in March 2019. Financial firms in the city of London are looking for new HQs in Dublin, Franfurt and Paris. UK will be excluded from the European free trade area - ala Belarus, Albania and Moldova. Not good company. Neighboring countries are already bracing themselves for an influx of economic migrats from UK. Countries such as Ireland are seeing a surge in passport applications as British people search back on their family trees looking for citizenship of an EU country. Believe me when Brexit happens it won't be pretty.

I doubt it. Only real change is policy won't be dictated by Brussels. BTW Don't be shocked if France exits EU in a couple years.

 

[csirl]

I doubt it. Only real change is policy won't be dictated by Brussels. BTW Don't be shocked if France exits EU in a couple years.

Who will UK trade with? Frozen out of Europe.

British media is so deluded. Up to now the likes of Sky News made a laughing stock of themselves about the Euro currency. Now they're making a laughing stock of themselves with this comical notion that the EU will break up because the UK is leaving.

Britain is in denial. Haven't realised that nobody cares about them leaving and quite a few are glad of the extra opportunities it creates for them and the EU is glad it will no have to deal with a Uk who weren't bought into the EU.

I'm afraid the only thing breaking up is the UK itself. Scotland is planning an independence referendum as they want to stay in the UK - which will also trigger events in Northern Ireland (pro-Eu, 'Scots Ulster' and England wont be able to afford the subsidies post Brexit).

 

[NickZepp]

They won't be frozen out of Europe completely any more than Switzerland who keeps on saying no to EU won't be denied trade.

 

[NickZepp]

Fact is football isn't a big deal in Europe as it is in UK. There's no market for NFL going to anywhere in Europe.

 

[csirl]

They won't be frozen out of Europe completely any more than Switzerland who keeps on saying no to EU won't be denied trade.

Switzerland was a legacy issue - it's access to trade with most EU countries pre-dated the existence of the EC and EU. There is zero chance of UK getting this. Even if it did, it would take at least a decade to negotiate - by which time the damage is already done. There is no appetite among many EU countries for a trade deal and quite a few want to punish UK for leaving.

UK media is peddling the notion that trade deal talks form part of Brexit negotiations. This is untrue. The only negotiations allowed under EU rules are the implementation date and reciprocal arrangements re long term residents.

 

[csirl]

Fact is football isn't a big deal in Europe as it is in UK. There's no market for NFL going to anywhere in Europe.

Germany is the biggest market for football in Europe - c.40% of the market.

 

[Hoofbite]

Moving any sports franchise to Vegas is a bad move, IMO. Just too much else to entertain people if your team struggles. Also, not really sure there's a benefit for the league as whole. Whatever additional local income there might be to split amongst everyone but Dallas is going to relatively small on a per-team basis. Sending a bunch of young and famous athletes flush with cash to Las Vegas is also just begging for video after video of poor decisions to be released by TMZ. How much time and money is the NFL willing to spend on whitewashing these issues? Apparently, a lot.

 

[Elusive6thRing]

Oakland and San Diego lose their teams within about one week.

 

[NickZepp]

Moving any sports franchise to Vegas is a bad move, IMO. Just too much else to entertain people if your team struggles. Also, not really sure there's a benefit for the league as whole. Whatever additional local income there might be to split amongst everyone but Dallas is going to relatively small on a per-team basis. Sending a bunch of young and famous athletes flush with cash to Las Vegas is also just begging for video after video of poor decisions to be released by TMZ. How much time and money is the NFL willing to spend on whitewashing these issues? Apparently, a lot.

Don't know it'll probably do okay. Better than 2 teams in LA will do.

 

[Robbieac]

I for one love the Las Vegas and Raiders combo. Las Vegas is a crazy rough town and the Raiders and their fans are known for being crazy and rough as well. To me its a perfect match.