Last 400+ Yard Passing Game?

[Blue&Silver]

If a quarterback needs to throw for 400 yards it usually means the rest of the team isn't doing their jobs especially the running game. We are built around the run, not pass so it's easy to see why Mr. Prescott doesn't have huge numbers passing the ball.

 

[CF74]

Ding Dong..

Casual Fans: Whose there?

1990’s

 

[Motown12]

We are a run first team.

We wouldn’t be having 400 yard passing games if Romo was our QB. Heck...he has only had a handful in his career. Romo only had one 300 yard game in 2014 as well...once we adopted this run first offense.

Using 400 yards to judge a QB in a run first offense is lame.

That was the knock on Aikman by his national critics is that he rarely had gaudy stats. That was not the offense designed by Norv Turner even though Troy had a rocket for an arm and could of lit it up in the stats book playing for a different team. All Troy did was win more games in the decade than any other QB in the league. I'll take what Dak did last year all day and twice on Sunday.

 

[rpntex]

By Kellen Moore smh. 1/3/2016

Dak only has 2 games over 300 yards passing.

What do you think this says? Don't answer, it was a rhetorical question. I think I know what you're implying.

The truth is Dak is not the kind of QB who is going to throw for 400 yards. His best throws are short to intermediate routes. His weakest throws are sideline (back shoulder) and vertical throws. In fact, one of the "flip side" reasons for Dez's lack of production is because Dak's best throws are Dez's weakest routes, and vice versa. Their respective strengths are just not a match for each other.

For Dak to have a 400-yard game, one of two things have to be true---

1) He has to have a lot of plays with great YAC from his receivers. Typically, that isn't going to happen with the throws he excels at.
2) 40+ attempts. If that happens, it typically means Dallas is losing, and losing bad.

Dak's best games are games in which he throws for 200-300 yards. That usually means 30 or fewer attempts because the running game is humming along. Once he develops the ability to be consistently accurate on his weaker throws, he may show the potential to have a 400-yard game or two each season. A hopeful parallel would be Troy Aikman. Although he played in a slightly different era, Aikman definitely showed the ability to have prolific games (yardage wise). In a time when Elway and Marino were enjoying 5000 yard seasons, Troy was averaging 28 attempts and 200 yards per game.

 

[Jake]

Ding Dong..

Casual Fans: Whose there?

1990’s

Troy Aikman had seventeen 300 yard passing games. Cowboys were 10-7 in those games (.588 win %).

Cowboys were 36-10 with Aikman in their SB winning years (.782 win %).

 

[Risen Star]

But it would be very nice if we had a QB who we knew was capable of throwing for 3-400 yards if we neede him to do that. Romo we knew was quite capable of achieving such paltry yardage #'s consistently if needed.

Not sure you understand the definition of paltry.

 

[Section446]

To get that many yards, you have to have a QB capable of throwing the ball further than 5 yards.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

We are a run first team.

We wouldn’t be having 400 yard passing games if Romo was our QB. Heck...he has only had a handful in his career. Romo only had one 300 yard game in 2014 as well...once we adopted this run first offense.

Using 400 yards to judge a QB in a run first offense is lame.

Actually, I used 300 yards to judge a QB in a run first offense, so it isnt lame.

He had games of 324, 299, 281, 279, 275...all right there at the 300 mark.

However, Tony had yards per attempt of 8.52, good for #1 in the league.

Dak right now? 6.5, good for 25th. Floundering.

 

[rags747]

Not sure you understand the definition of paltry.

My sarcasm evidently does not always go over well I guess.

 

[JoeKing]

But wait, Dez should still be putting up All-Pro numbers

So it's Dak's fault that Dez sucks?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

If a quarterback needs to throw for 400 yards it usually means the rest of the team isn't doing their jobs especially the running game. We are built around the run, not pass so it's easy to see why Mr. Prescott doesn't have huge numbers passing the ball.

Explain why Dak's yards/attempt are in the toilet then as well.

High yards/attempt of 8+ would be plenty. He's throwing 30+ passes on average. That would be 250 yards right there.

 

[benson]

I said this last year and I’ll say it again. When it’s playoff football and the running lanes close and it’s Dak vs Rodgers/Ryan/Wilson/Brady/BigBen, Dak can’t go throw for throw and we lose.

Unless your riding a monster defense, you need a QB that can win u playoff games with his arm, we don’t have that

 

[khiladi]

I really don't think
that is the issue. I think it is more he has to deal with our route concepts are not optimized based off the read option.

That is why losing the threat of Elliott matters so much.

Dak excels in the read-option. He’s clearly one of the top the game because he sells it so well even without Zeke.

It’s his decision-making process in the run-pass. Obviously the play is suppose to happen quickly, so this maybe why Dak struggles to be accurate on them.

https://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/...-three-incomplete-passes-goal-go-plays-sunday

 

[khiladi]

Is being run-first in 2014 was different between Dak and Romo.. Romo was extremely efficient on go routes and the deep ball. We used a lot more play action, read option and roll outs with Dak.

Romo was still consistently in the mid-200s and when he did not break 200 yards passing we lost twice and won once, that win was because Murray had over 200 yards rushing.

 

[robjay04]

Actually, I used 300 yards to judge a QB in a run first offense, so it isnt lame.

He had games of 324, 299, 281, 279, 275...all right there at the 300 mark.

However, Tony had yards per attempt of 8.52, good for #1 in the league.

Dak right now? 6.5, good for 25th. Floundering.

That’s mainly based on a couple bad games. Prior to that, his YPA was competitive and was actually 8.6 last season. Hopefully it’s not a trend.

The way you worded your post is that we have been missing that kind of productivity since Kellen Moore when statistically, we have had it for Dak’s first 24 games...just the last 3 we have been missing it.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

That’s mainly based on a couple bad games. Prior to that, his YPA was competitive and was actually 8.6 last season. Hopefully it’s not a trend.

The way you worded your post is that we have been missing that kind of productivity since Kellen Moore when statistically, we have had it for Dak’s first 24 games...just the last 3 we have been missing it.

I worded it because Dak has not shown the capability. When you dont show the capability to burn a defense deep, then they dont fear you. Its a trend.

 

[khiladi]

That was the knock on Aikman by his national critics is that he rarely had gaudy stats. That was not the offense designed by Norv Turner even though Troy had a rocket for an arm and could of lit it up in the stats book playing for a different team. All Troy did was win more games in the decade than any other QB in the league. I'll take what Dak did last year all day and twice on Sunday.

That was a run driven era, while it’s a passing era. The AFC teams had passing offense like the run and shoot and K Gun, mimicking what they do today, but DBs could play back then.

Aikman was phenomenal because he was accurate ** in tight windows to Michael Irvin, a precision route runner in this timing based offense.

Nowadays WRs get open on pick routes..

 

[robjay04]

I worded it because Dak has not shown the capability. When you dont show the capability to burn a defense deep, then they dont fear you. Its a trend.

You just used YPA as your reasoning. I said his YPA attempt has been competitive with anyone in the NFL prior to this 3 game stretch...now its the deep ball so which is it? If our offense is elite(which it has been up until this stretch with Dak at QB) and his YPA is competitive then why does it matter?

Part of his issues with the deep ball is on him but a big part of it is the receivers we have are not down the field receivers anyways. We have Butler but he isn’t consistent.

I would say his problems with the deep ball are 33 percent on him, 33 percent on the receivers and 33 percent on our coaching staff that doesn’t know how to scheme and our gameplan. We are not even a team that wants to score quick...we want long drives to keep our defense fresh.

Hopefully—-Dak has Elliott for the next 2 years to cover up his flaws until he grows more as a passer and we upgrade this receiving core and add a tight end that actually is a big play threat.

 

[John813]

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/dak-prescott-one-of-the-nfl-s-most-accurate-deep-passers-010417

“Dak Prescott was one of the best deep ball passers in tight windows. A whopping 39.5 percent of Dak Prescott’s passes that traveled further than 20 yards in the air went into tight coverage. The rookie’s 29.4 percent completion rate was the ninth-best mark on such throws and he never recorded an interception.” – Matt Harmon, NFL.com

So, what happened from last year to this year?
(Serious question)
While he never had to chuck it downfield a lot(think he did it 34 times in total) he seemed to be confident in going deep last year than this year.

 

[robjay04]

Nowadays WRs get open on pick routes..

Not on this team...

I guess Garrett doesn’t want to “cheat” even when the whole league is doing it.

I hate watching other teams receivers run wide open and every pass we throw is a tight window. It’s unnerving.