Last Minute Smack Talk

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Over the years I have found that Commanders fans like to talk smack about a couple of things. This has always cracked me up a little bit, because the things they choose to wax poetic about show an incredible lack of knowledge about the History of their own team.

Okay, hopefully your interest is now piqued and you can enjoy the real facts. What are the weak attempts at smack that I speak of? Hey, glad you asked. The first one is about Michael Irvin and his arrest for cocaine. They call us the Crack Boys and I've even heard Irvin called Coke Machine. I admit, that's kind of funny. The other is about a movie called Brokeback Mountain, and they make references to Aikman being gay and call our QB, Tony Homo.

You've all heard these things. How about we expose the jabs for the weak little girl punches they really are?

Let's start with the notion that Michael Irvin is evidence that our whole team is cocaine addicts. Michael Irvin was arrested for cocaine possession in the 1996 off season. He pled nolo contendre, or no contest, to those charges. He never spent time in jail for it. He was fined $10,000, and was on probation for 4 years. He was also suspended for 5 games even though he never failed an NFL drug test. That's right, he never failed one.

There have been other allegations that shadowed Irvin after this but each time none of those allegations have materialized as being as bad as this incident. Now you can certainly disrespect Irvin's actions here and you would be right to. He was wrong and he knows he was wrong. You heard him say so in his Hall of Fame speech.

How about we discuss a guy so wrapped in cocaine that he interrupted a Hall of Fame career and never got back on track? His name was Dexter Manley, and he without a doubt was one of the most disruptive DEs ever to play the game. If you like pure football talent, you liked watching Dexter Manley. Not only was he a great player, he was engaging and fun. He also had a very dark companion, cocaine.

In 1986, a full 10 years BEFORE Irvin was arrested Dexter Manley got hooked. In fact he got hooked so bad that his drug use caused him to have a cyst on his brain that he had to have surgery on a year ago and has caused him some memory loss.

Manley revealed he learned about the cyst way back in 1986 when he was so lit up that he collapsed in a department store and hit his head. How wrapped up in coke was Manley? He now says he is $12 million dollars in debt because of his addict lifestyle. That's right folks, 12 with 6 zeros.

Manley tested positive for cocaine 4 times and in 1991 was suspended from the NFL for life. He spent the last 2 years of his playing days in the CFL.

Now, someone is going to bring it up if I don't, Manley also admitted he was illiterate even though he graduated from college. That's right, he couldn't read or write. Some may mock this. I won't. I respect Manley for having the courage to reveal this and to actually learn. It is however tragic that he had to learn to do these things in prison. He was sentenced to 4 years in prison and served 2 of the 4.

The bottom line is this, mocking Michael Irvin while at the same time turning a blind eye to one of your own is pretty stupid. I would also like to point out that to my knowledge no Mayor of Dallas, or Irving, or Arlington to my knowledge has ever been videotaped in a hotel room smoking crack with a hooker. Google Marion Barry if you don't know what I am talking about. You can certainly ask if Laura Miller was on crack to let the Cowboys leave town, Marion Barry actually was.

Moving on to the homosexual nonsense they like to reference. The last time I checked Brokeback Mountain was a movie. In other words, fiction. For those who don't know (apparently many Skins fans) that means "not real." I haven't seen it and probably never will. It just doesn't interest me at all. However, I did read previews of the movie.

First of all it takes place in Wyoming, not Texas. Second of all they are sheep herders. That's right, sheep, not cows. The hat does not make you a cowboy any more than putting on a fireman's helmet would make you a fireman.

Apparently in the nation's capital people are not aware of the hatred between sheep herders and cattle ranchers. Uh, they hate each other. Ever heard of the Lincoln County Range Wars? Billy the Kid, Pat Garrett, and all the actual History? All of that was about sheep versus cows. There's a range war in Arizona that I wrote about that was even bigger and bloodier. It set Arizona statehood back 30 years it was so violent. Ask me via PMs if you're interested in knowing more.

The simple truth is anyone who calls a sheep herder a cowboy is out of his freaking mind. The word is cowboy and it implies working with bovine. For those not in tune with the Latin, that means cows. The silliest thing about this remains that it was a damned movie, not real life. Let's talk about real life.

First of all let's put to rest the Troy Aikman allegations. Those were started by none other than Skip Bayless. You want to know why he's so bitter against Dallas? Folks he lost his job because of those allegations. His own fault for printing lies. That's right, it isn't true as has been proven many times over. The weak stuff about Tony Homo is about as 6th grade as it gets. Oh wow, you changed a letter in his name. How original.

I told you there was truth to be shared to expose this weak smack. Let's share it. The first athlete to ever "come out of the closet" was RB Dave Kopay in 1975. Dave played for 5 teams in a 9 year career. He wrote a book after coming out wherein he revealed he had a homosexual relationship while a member of the Commanders, with a teammate on the Commanders, Jerry Smith. Jerry Smith was an All Pro TE who played for the Commanders for 13 years. He was the first professional athlete to die from AIDS.

Now, I'm not suggesting either of these players should be bashed for their lifestyle and certainly not for Smith's death. I'm merely suggesting that it's rather stupid to sling mud about homosexuality when probably the dirtiest mud is on your team. What's more damning here folks? Tony Homo, or an actual documented homosexual relationship?

In fact, according to Dave Kopay, the Assistant General Manager of the Commanders in his years there "came out" after he left the team. So this homosexuality they joke about extended from the locker room to the front office on their team.

Hey, I told you their smack talk on these subjects was weak because it showed they don't know squat about their own team.

"And now you know.......the rest of the story.

Paul Harvey......good day."
 
I've mentioned both of those things to Commanders fans and received either blank stares or mutterings in reply. Some of them honestly don't know about them.
 
We will attack your line just like we did in 2005 and Daniels will have another career game like he always does against you guys. Its all in the film baby...we will exploit the weaknesses just like we did in the second game in 2005. THIS IS A MUST WIN. NFC EAST AND HOMEFIELD ARE GONE IF WE LOSE!!!!
 
great post hos!! As always you show why you are da man. I had never heard of Dave Kopay and certainly didnt know about him "coming out". Once again terrific article.
 
HogsRLegends;1771553 said:
We will attack your line just like we did in 2005 and Daniels will have another career game like he always does against you guys. Its all in the film baby...we will exploit the weaknesses just like we did in the second game in 2005. THIS IS A MUST WIN. NFC EAST AND HOMEFIELD ARE GONE IF WE LOSE!!!!

This isn't 2005 and it damn sure isn't the same oline so we will see.
 
HogsRLegends;1771553 said:
We will attack your line just like we did in 2005 and Daniels will have another career game like he always does against you guys. Its all in the film baby...we will exploit the weaknesses just like we did in the second game in 2005. THIS IS A MUST WIN. NFC EAST AND HOMEFIELD ARE GONE IF WE LOSE!!!!

Torrin Tucker is not in the NFL any longer.
 
HogsRLegends;1771553 said:
We will attack your line just like we did in 2005 and Daniels will have another career game like he always does against you guys. Its all in the film baby...we will exploit the weaknesses just like we did in the second game in 2005. THIS IS A MUST WIN. NFC EAST AND HOMEFIELD ARE GONE IF WE LOSE!!!!

just for the record...Daniels doesnt always have a career game. He got about 4 sacks in a game during that season Flozell was hurt and we had to play I think Ross Tucker at LT and Vinny was QB. Once again Commander fans getting it wrong and making the best out of it.
 
We need to win out, and have you lose at least one more game to ensure at least a number 2 seed
 
very interesting Hos...and the key point you hit on was childish-The skins have no real arguement so they resort to childish grade-school antics
 
sjordan6;1771560 said:
just for the record...Daniels doesnt always have a career game. He got about 4 sacks in a game during that season Flozell was hurt and we had to play I think Ross Tucker at LT and Vinny was QB. Once again Commander fans getting it wrong and making the best out of it.

This was 2005, not 2004. Also, today we have Andre Carter who is even better then Daniels at rushing the passer.

What's the line on how many sacks Carter gets today? 2-3? More?
 
HogsRLegends;1771561 said:
We need to win out, and have you lose at least one more game to ensure at least a number 2 seed

Why would we want to settle for the #2 seed?:laugh2:
 
Yeagermeister;1771564 said:
Why would we want to settle for the #2 seed? :bow:

lol because we've already blown our chance with the Packers and would have to finish a full game in front of them and don't play them again. With them at 8-1 that looks unlikely.
 
Tony "Homo" is more name play than an actually jab at his sexuality. I don't think anyone thinks he is actually gay.

The "Brokeback" reference is the same. Its harmless BS. Same as when you tease your buddies because they have no game, or can't seal the deal.

As far as Manley is concerned, I always saw him the guy that had all the potential/raw talent and pissed it away (Similar to Arrington in that fashion). His ignorance is a part of being a star athlete in that era, college bypass similar to the SMU scandal as it was ignored). A few Cowboys had the same issues, even some more currently albeit the only big star was Irvin.

As far as the gay Commanders player... I remember the "outing", and it has become of of those 'don't ask, don't tell' type of things. Yet there are several players from that era that have faced similar situations with their sexuality.

T.O. lip glosses it up. Does it make him gay ? Or just a little overly Metrosexual ?
 
How did I know this would go off topic ?

All in good fun.

I expect a close game (as a Commanders fan, why wouldn't I), but want a Commanders win.
 
Well done Hos. However, skins' fans doesn't care about those facts, they will continue to be ignorants and use those idiotic references, especially when they are frustrated whenever their team can't measure up against the Cowboys.
 
HogsRLegends;1771561 said:
We need to win out, and have you lose at least one more game to ensure at least a number 2 seed

your talking about the #2 seed???? :lmao2: :lmao2: :lmao2:


David
 
lurkercowboy;1771552 said:
I've mentioned both of those things to Commanders fans and received either blank stares or mutterings in reply. Some of them honestly don't know about them.
The story I'm about to tell you is 100% true. It's also pathetic IMO. I once was told by a Commanders fan that their team name is derived from a "type of peanut that grows only in the area of the Nation's capital, and has nothing to do with a slight of Native Americans."

He was dead serious.

First of all, a simple research of peanuts will show you that there is no "Commander peanut." At least not that I have found, and "grows only in that area?" Forgive me, but where are the big peanut farms in Maryland or Virginia?

Second let's talk about the peanut logo on the side of the helmet. ;)

Third, before they moved to the District of Columbia in 1937, they were stationed in Boston as the Braves. Is there a Braves peanut that only grows in Massachusetts?

Fourth, apparently this guy and anyone who buys his rubbish have never heard of a study called etymology which discusses the origins of words. If you look up Commander it confirms it is meant as a derogatory slur of a Native Americans. Nothing about peanuts.

Finally, the most famous racist in the History of the NFL was owner of the Commanders, George Preston Marshall. Not only did he convince the other owners to bar Blacks from playing in 1934, in 1946 when the other owners changed their ways and allowed Blacks to play he still did not. It wasn't until 1962 when the Kennedy Presidency sent Stewart Udall to confront Marshall. They had to threaten to revoke his 30 year lease on DC Stadium, better known as RFK, which was paid for by government money. Uh, that means your taxes folks.

Yeah, it's about a peanut.
 

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