Last night should come as no surprise

[UVAwahoos]

Garrett is a rookie, growing pains are to be expected as he moved to HC.

The problem for me is I see no reason to assume he will improve the team. He is an average to at times good OC, but nothing special and somehow he is going to segue that into building a new team from the dysfunctional choas that Jerry creates ? I don't think he has the experience or the skills to do so.

Sadly, I see a couple more seasons of average records as the talent continues to degrade and the organization continues its downward slide from mediocrity to....... well maybe less than mediocrity.

This is sad, but likely true unless the fans continue to speak up and drive him out. Jerry is many things, but deaf is not one of them. Unless of course it comes to the call for hiring a GM...

 

[Gaede]

Garrett is a rookie, growing pains are to be expected as he moved to HC.

The problem for me is I see no reason to assume he will improve the team. He is an average to at times good OC, but nothing special and somehow he is going to segue that into building a new team from the dysfunctional choas that Jerry creates ? I don't think he has the experience or the skills to do so.

Sadly, I see a couple more seasons of average records as the talent continues to degrade and the organization continues its downward slide from mediocrity to....... well maybe less than mediocrity.

This is my biggest fear as well. Garrett's not an awful coach, but I just don't see how he can possibly turn things around here. Especially when he appears to have no long term plans. How the OL was handled coming in to this season was an absolute disaster and really reeks of poor coaching/personnel decisions.

Throw in the fact that he doesn't want to relinquish playcalling duties-even though results have been pretty crappy so far-and the future really doesn't look so bright. Bad personnel moves/stubborness/poor playcalling are not things you look for in a head coach

 

[ChopBlock]

There's a 1992 blowout loss to the Lions on that list, if you care to read.

I think something good happened at the end of the 1992 season but I can't remember.

I love it that every time we get blown out someone thinks they need to bring up 1992 to justify it.

But when do we get to start comparing the championships of this current team with that of the early '90's teams?

 

[JoeCorrado]

Jimmy Johnson Era:

September 10, 1989 at New Orleans Saints L 28–0
September 24, 1989 Washington Commanders L 30–7
October 1, 1989 New York Giants L 30–13
October 8, 1989 at Green Bay Packers L 31–13
November 23, 1989 Philadelphia Eagles L 27–0
September 15, 1991 Philadelphia Eagles L 24–0
October 27, 1991 at Detroit Lions L 34–10
January 5, 1992 at Detroit Lions L 38–6


You can see where I'm going with this....4 letter word starting with "S" happens.

Thank you. My response was not going to be anywhere as good as your simple statement of the facts.

Growing pains... they happen.

 

[JoeCorrado]

There is another constant in all the blowout losses of recent seasons.

I hate to admit it........ but I have been a fan the entire time.

That's right. I am the reason we get blown out like this. I haven't put the players, through my fandom into position to succeed.

-Never mind that Jerry has been here the entire time
-Never mind that many of the players have been here the entire time
-Never mind that other coaches have been here the entire time
-Never mind that Garrett doesn't run the defense giving up 44 in Philly (one of the game you cite)

I have to counter your one man argument, but telling the truth. I AM SPARTACUS... I mean the reason we have been blown out so many times.

Now, if I would have had you or Cochese, or Wahoo, for the offensive coordinators for my favorite team, I know we wouldn't have been blown out like that.

I know that Philly would not have put 44 on us, because YOUR offense would have wiped the field with them. You would have called long passes instead of short ones, and short ones instead of long ones, and you would have run when we passed and got stopped and you would have passed when we ran and got stopped.

So.... I have someone else to blame. I blame YOU. That's right YOU. YOU are the reason we get blown out because you haven't gone to Jerry and offered your offensive genius.

So next time you want someone to blame... blame me... or blame you... because we are the two constants in this entire failure.

Genius, sheer genius. I want some of that blame too!

 

[Cochese]

I love it that every time we get blown out someone thinks they need to bring up 1992 to justify it.

But when do we get to start comparing the championships of this current team with that of the early '90's teams?

The early 90's comparisons are so cute. Sorry folks, Ginger is not Jimmy, and hes not even a patch on Norv, Tony isnt Troy Aikman, Felix isnt Emmitt, Dez isnt the playmaker. Time to give up on your 1992 pipedream.

 

[baj1dallas]

Using that line of thinking, no coach should ever be fired, it's always the players.

BTW, who makes the decision as to whether or not to put Holland and Bennett on the roster?

No coach should ever be fired because of one bad game where the players don't execute.

I think you should know the answer to the second question. And Holland is not the reason this team lost last night.

 

[Venger]

Garrett is a rookie, growing pains are to be expected as he moved to HC.

I'd really like him to move to HC, instead of HC and OC. When the offense doesn't produce, what is the head coach going to do? Talk to the OC - except they are one and the same. It would do this team well to hire an OC that Garrett can have confidence in but also demand results from.

Kind of like being the owner and the GM, and sucking badly at one, but being the other means the normal accountability rules don't apply.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

No coach should ever be fired because of one bad game where the players don't execute.

I think you should know the answer to the second question. And Holland is not the reason this team lost last night.

If you're going to put the blame on players not playing well, then I think equal, if not more blame goes to the guy who let them play in the first place.

 

[Randy White]

Jimmy Johnson Era:

September 10, 1989 at New Orleans Saints L 28–0
September 24, 1989 Washington Commanders L 30–7
October 1, 1989 New York Giants L 30–13
October 8, 1989 at Green Bay Packers L 31–13
November 23, 1989 Philadelphia Eagles L 27–0
September 15, 1991 Philadelphia Eagles L 24–0
October 27, 1991 at Detroit Lions L 34–10
January 5, 1992 at Detroit Lions L 38–6


You can see where I'm going with this....4 letter word starting with "S" happens.

I have one more:

1992 @ Philadelphia Eagles, L 31-7

 

[Randy White]

Of course, five of those are from when he inherited one of the worst teams in Cowboys history.

in 1992, he won the Superbow with, arguably, THE best Dallas Cowboys team in the franchise history.

What was the excuse then ?

 

[Randy White]

Haha this is convenient. People really do not know anything about football if they're trying to claim that the 89-91 Cowboys were similar to this current unit.

The 1991 team had more talent and was BETTER than this current team.

And I'm not saying the current team sucks, by the way.

 

[Randy White]

Easy to ignore the facts. It happens, it happened to the Patriots last year. It happened to Landry, it happened to Cowher, it happened to Lombardi............it happens. It's CONVENIENT to ignore when you have an agenda.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

It came as a huge surprise not the fact that we lost, but how we lost in a 34-7 thrashing. I definitely expected a competive game. Cowboys pretty much lost this game when Sean Lee went down.

 

[Randy White]

The best part of this dumb argument from you guys is that those losses actually led to the demotion of David Shula from the OC position. .

The easy part to discredit about YOUR dumb argument is that David Shula wasn't the coordinator in 1991 OR 1992..

 

[DOUBLE WING]

in 1992, he won the Superbow with, arguably, THE best Dallas Cowboys team in the franchise history.

What was the excuse then ?

We covered this in page one. For every one Jimmy Johnson, there's 10 mediocre coaches who get blown out and never win a Superbowl to make up for it. Right now I see nothing that tells me Garrett isn't one of those 10. You're using some blind faith and hoping he ends up being Jimmy Johnson.

If they win a ring at the end of the year, you can bump this thread and call me an idiot.

 

[Randy White]

It came as a huge surprise not the fact that we lost, but how we lost in a 34-7 thrashing. I definitely expected a competive game. Cowboys pretty much lost this game when Sean Lee went down.

This game was lost from the the start of last week. The Filthadelphia Beagirls are one of the most talented teams in the league. They had their backs against the wall ( still do ) entering yesterday's game and were going against at a division rival who, historically, they usually get up for more than any other team.

The Cowboys came out extra aggressive on defense and, perhaps by luck or perhaps because he's a damn good coach, or perhaps BOTH, Andy Reid used that aggressiveness against them. Rob Ryan's plan, despite of what he's saying and what happened, was a good one. Pressure Vick and hurry him to throw the ball, where he's not really good at, or make him get out of the pocket so he won't hurt you downfield. The Beagirls were prepared for it and deserve the credit for that.

Bottom line: crap happens. This was a bad night all around. File it under learning experience and move on. Rebuilding teams are going to have this type of nights.

 

[Randy White]

We covered this in page one. For every one Jimmy Johnson, there's 10 mediocre coaches who get blown out and never win a Superbowl to make up for it. Right now I see nothing that tells me Garrett isn't one of those 10. You're using some blind faith and hoping he ends up being Jimmy Johnson.

If they win a ring at the end of the year, you can bump this thread and call me an idiot.

I don't have to wait until the end of the year. Jimmy Johnson had exactly ZERO Superbowl victories when he was blown out by the Beagles in '92, ONE wildcard win vs the Bears, and one embarrassing, humilliating loss vs the Lions.

Obviously, you don't want to get into the coach Landry's ( who wouldn't have last past his first five games with some of the people in here ) first few years as a headcoach..

What YOU " see " or don't " see " is irrelevant. You have NO clue what's going to happen this year, next year, or the year after that.

 

[UVAwahoos]

The easy part to discredit about YOUR dumb argument is that David Shula wasn't the coordinator in 1991 OR 1992..

Read the thread, clown. Over 50% of those losses mentioned were under Shula's watch as OC in '89, and he was immediately demoted.

Don't call an argument "dumb" and then promptly show that you have no reading comprehension skills.

 

[Randy White]

Read the thread, clown. Over 50% of those losses mentioned were under Shula's watch as OC in '89, and he was immediately demoted. Don't call an argument "dumb" and then promptly show that you have no reading comprehension skills.

September 10, 1989 at New Orleans Saints L 28–0
September 24, 1989 Washington Commanders L 30–7
October 1, 1989 New York Giants L 30–13
October 8, 1989 at Green Bay Packers L 31–13
November 23, 1989 Philadelphia Eagles L 27–0

September 15, 1991 at Philadelphia Eagles, L 24–0
October 27, 1991 at Detroit Lions, L 34–10
November 17, 1991 at New York Giants, L 22-9
January 5, 1992 at Detroit Lions, L 38–6
October 5, 1992 at Philadelphia Eagles, L 31-7



There's your 50%.. I won't call your argument dumb.. but I will call it ridiculously STUPID...

but smarter than it's author..