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This team ultimately lost to the Vikings and Brett Farve, as the Cowboy OL got manhandled on that day.

They ranked 13th overall and just gave up 21 points a game which ranked 2nd in the league, they were #4 against the run.

Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 Front:

Spears, Igor, Ratliff
Ware, Spencer
James, Brooking

Notice how much bigger the personnel was back then in this scheme. Ratliff was the only undersized in their front and he was a terror against opposing centers playing the NT.
 
I think a transition isn't as difficult as many think:

Osa, Clark, X-Either a NT or 5T DE (this need can come affordable on the open market)
Ez, X-Ez fits as that RE, teams needs to add a strong-side OLB (this is the odds of favorite for our top pick)
Overshown, X-last year Overshown was reportedly bulked up to 235, just need to add a big Mike LB
Then you fill out your secondary-move depth at corner and another starting safety
(both safety and linebacker can be found outside the 1st rd typicially)

4 starter needs at: DT/NT, Edge, MLB, S.
More depth at the corner position
 
This team ultimately lost to the Vikings and Brett Farve, as the Cowboy OL got manhandled on that day.

They ranked 13th overall and just gave up 21 points a game which ranked 2nd in the league, they were #4 against the run.

Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 Front:

Spears, Igor, Ratliff
Ware, Spencer
James, Brooking

Notice how much bigger the personnel was back then in this scheme. Ratliff was the only undersized in their front and he was a terror against opposing centers playing the NT.
Ratliff was small for a NT but big in real life. Met him just the 1 time, he was super cool.
 
This team ultimately lost to the Vikings and Brett Farve, as the Cowboy OL got manhandled on that day.

They ranked 13th overall and just gave up 21 points a game which ranked 2nd in the league, they were #4 against the run.

Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 Front:

Spears, Igor, Ratliff
Ware, Spencer
James, Brooking

Notice how much bigger the personnel was back then in this scheme. Ratliff was the only undersized in their front and he was a terror against opposing centers playing the NT.
Much as that might be true that had a Dan Quinn take that group of Washington the first year and get to a NFC championship game that's championship level It was a lot of smoke and mirrors but that's what Quinn was doing here and it shouldn't go on appreciative that yeah he had a obvious weaknesses was they couldn't stop the run but they sure had an identity rush the passer create turnovers be aggressive don't worry about mistakes..

So when you win 36 games two division titles go to the playoffs three straight years and in 2023 we were the number one seed with a home game those defenses are good enough to win games they just didn't have enough but that's the same attitude Matt has right now maybe that's not what he went into the season thinking he wanted to run a defense he wanted to run his own defense he wanted to run standard defenses

Needs to go full rogue just go off the reservation and don't worry about mistakes this season is about to end soon you need to just go ahead and throw everything out that you can possibly throw out to make whatever you can with this roster have an identity just go all out it hasn't been working anyway you're getting beat in every way deep short running Every level was bad in the Denver game why don't you just sell out to blitz and what not you don't have to blitz the same way but you can bring blitzes with five guys seven guys bring him from the corners the linebackers the safeties just do it find something to help us win some games...

The same thing on the other side of the ball which has been great most of the season they played too safe they literally should not have punted on at least three of those 4 downs but especially when it was getting late in the game those were ridiculous punts you cannot play that way when your defense is that bad and the score is getting out of control that is not what you do they played way too safe one of these days they're going to look at it like fans do and go what do we have to lose and just go all out Just go crazy draw things up and make them work for what you have on the field don't worry about how it looks how it feels and if it blows up in your face it's already blowing up in your face....
 
Much as that might be true that had a Dan Quinn take that group of Washington the first year and get to a NFC championship game that's championship level It was a lot of smoke and mirrors but that's what Quinn was doing here and it shouldn't go on appreciative that yeah he had a obvious weaknesses was they couldn't stop the run but they sure had an identity rush the passer create turnovers be aggressive don't worry about mistakes..

So when you win 36 games two division titles go to the playoffs three straight years and in 2023 we were the number one seed with a home game those defenses are good enough to win games they just didn't have enough but that's the same attitude Matt has right now maybe that's not what he went into the season thinking he wanted to run a defense he wanted to run his own defense he wanted to run standard defenses

Needs to go full rogue just go off the reservation and don't worry about mistakes this season is about to end soon you need to just go ahead and throw everything out that you can possibly throw out to make whatever you can with this roster have an identity just go all out it hasn't been working anyway you're getting beat in every way deep short running Every level was bad in the Denver game why don't you just sell out to blitz and what not you don't have to blitz the same way but you can bring blitzes with five guys seven guys bring him from the corners the linebackers the safeties just do it find something to help us win some games...

The same thing on the other side of the ball which has been great most of the season they played too safe they literally should not have punted on at least three of those 4 downs but especially when it was getting late in the game those were ridiculous punts you cannot play that way when your defense is that bad and the score is getting out of control that is not what you do they played way too safe one of these days they're going to look at it like fans do and go what do we have to lose and just go all out Just go crazy draw things up and make them work for what you have on the field don't worry about how it looks how it feels and if it blows up in your face it's already blowing up in your face....
Quinn's defense here feasted on the terrible opponents, especially inside the division, but really struggled against the better teams. Teams started staying away from their pass rush and played power run football against us with great success. We just didn't have the personnel to match up. This defense is ideal when you play from ahead, but struggles when they had to worry about the run.
 
Quinn's defense here feasted on the terrible opponents, especially inside the division, but really struggled against the better teams. Teams started staying away from their pass rush and played power run football against us with great success. We just didn't have the personnel to match up. This defense is ideal when you play from ahead, but struggles when they had to worry about the run.
Just pointing out they did play it in an NFC championship game with Washington in his first year that he at least was solid enough at defensive coordinator to put together a roster that can compete in most situations just not all...

No I meant I mean we did have top ten defenses when he was here and they were top five in a lot of categories he basically created a smokescreen to help the team that's what Matt E should be doing right now there is nothing to lose now there's no reason to be playing safe on either side of the football how they're not playing loose The rest of this season is ridiculous,

just let it hang out..lol
 
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This team ultimately lost to the Vikings and Brett Farve, as the Cowboy OL got manhandled on that day.

They ranked 13th overall and just gave up 21 points a game which ranked 2nd in the league, they were #4 against the run.

Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 Front:

Spears, Igor, Ratliff
Ware, Spencer
James, Brooking

Notice how much bigger the personnel was back then in this scheme. Ratliff was the only undersized in their front and he was a terror against opposing centers playing the NT.
Excellent OP. Wade Phillips was an average head coach during his career, but he had a fundamentally sound defensive mind.
 
Quinn's defense here feasted on the terrible opponents, especially inside the division, but really struggled against the better teams. Teams started staying away from their pass rush and played power run football against us with great success. We just didn't have the personnel to match up. This defense is ideal when you play from ahead, but struggles when they had to worry about the run.
Well that's nice and II and we need that again we wouldn't be sitting here talking about the Bears game and the Panther game has losses It's understandable why we lost to Denver at their house they were a very good team and we played like garbage quinn would have probably lost that game even with Parsons yes we've seen that before..

But he would not have lost To teams like the Bears or the Panthers he would have created a mess for them...imho
 
Just pointing out they did play it in an NFC championship game with Washington in his first year that he at least was solid enough at defensive coordinator to put together a roster that can compete in most situations just not all...

No I meant I mean we did have top ten defenses when he was here and they were top five in a lot of categories he basically created a smokescreen to help the team that's what Matt E should be doing right now there is nothing to lose now there's no reason to be playing safe on either side of the football how they're not playing loose The rest of this season is ridiculous,

just let it hang out..lol
I think their young QB helped masked their defensive issues as he was able to control the football and go on long, time consuming drives. Their defense was actually worse then the Cowboys against the run last season.
 
Jerry has the means to fix this Defense relatively quick (but not this season). The questions is, does he have the will to actually carry through with it?
....Jerry is to NICE for fixing things. Doesn't like to fire people. Look at JG.

Rid of Eberjoke and defense gets fixed 30% off the bat. He's sabotaging the season.
 
This team ultimately lost to the Vikings and Brett Farve, as the Cowboy OL got manhandled on that day.

They ranked 13th overall and just gave up 21 points a game which ranked 2nd in the league, they were #4 against the run.

Wade Phillips 1 gap 3-4 Front:

Spears, Igor, Ratliff
Ware, Spencer
James, Brooking

Notice how much bigger the personnel was back then in this scheme. Ratliff was the only undersized in their front and he was a terror against opposing centers playing the NT.
In 2022 our defense was championship worthy. They played very well in the San Francisco Playoff loss. The offense killed us in that game especially when Pollard we down.
 
....Jerry is to NICE for fixing things. Doesn't like to fire people. Look at JG.

Rid of Eberjoke and defense gets fixed 30% off the bat. He's sabotaging the season.
Show me all the examples of the GM's and head coaches firing a first year coaching staff anybody on it that was a defensive coordinator office coordinator 8 games in, Bet you can't find many I bet in the NFL you almost find no examples of a first year coaching staff of any of them getting fired in the middle of a season they get fired after and he fired Mike Nolan in a hurry and he hired Dan Quinn that was his hire he has cut players with large contracts these false narratives are just so you guys can get a kick out of reading what you post you you guys amuse yourselves it's not true he would fire Matt at the end of the year but I don't know many GM's who would fire one right now in the first year before giving them a chance to fix their own defensive issues with the roster and scheme..

Yes we've seen some get fired that were already on teams for three years or four years and now it's just played out to a point where they've had to fire people you know we see Wade Phillips get fired mid season he is willing to do it but it has to make sense I don't think they feel that it's gonna be much better without him and who on this staff besides Sorenson has DC experience so if you're talking about right now I don't think any GM in the league has ever done that where they've fired a brand new coach midway through their first season..


Most coaching changes have happened after the season that is what II expect probably more than likely I see that happen I think Schottenheimer will go to Jerry and ask for something else if that's what he wants they need to leave this up to Brian Schottenheimer...

All of us who think you could just go out there and cut a player with a big contract a brand new big contract or 1st year coach especially a coordinator like an offense or defensive coordinator they don't get fired in their first years they just don't...
 
In 2022 our defense was championship worthy. They played very well in the San Francisco Playoff loss. The offense killed us in that game especially when Pollard we down.
No it wasn't it was far from that don't get delusional on thinking 'cause it was a lower score you blame me everything on the offense I remember although those two games overlap 2021 and 2022 with the San Francisco playoff losses I remember Debo Samuel's getting 10 yards to carry in the first half of one of those games even though the score was low they were eating up time of possession meaning less time for the offense to be on the field I also remember Trayvon Diggs dropping an interception that would have been a championship level move would it not have but he didn't he's supposed to catch interceptions and he didn't and he also didn't break up a pass to Kittles that was a huge play he just basically is soft..

Yes the score was low but he was not all on the offense that defense had problems as well... For you to understand what time of possession is but when you allow a team to keep the ball that long and a lot of those drives are really long especially in the first half they are basically taken away a lot of opportunities for the offense and now you want the offense to be perfect..

Like I said these two games overlap so much I can't remember which one it was but yes one of them there was 11 penalties on offense but there were also three big penalties on the defense that extended drives again time of possession matters..

I think it's a mirage for you to think they played at a championship level they did play well enough to keep the scores down and kicking field goals instead of touchdowns and gave the opportunity for the offense to catch up But yes the offensive line in the run game were horrible I don't care how good Pollard looked his like 3.5 yards per carry were nicer than the 2.5 that after he left but he wasn't doing anything big that is another bad narrative where your memories are still flawed..

Run games were not good and when you say before Pollard went out but the run game was not anything but barely effective before he got hurt after he got hurt it disappears so how's the offense supposed to be good with zero run game again one dimensional and 4 down lineman were getting to the quarterback and stopping the run all day that means everybody was covered on zone in the back end...


Get those two games we're close so it makes people think that it's a it's the offense's fault but if you really go back and watch those games it was not great defense they played well enough to hold the score down but they gave up way too many long drives and missed opportunities to make big plays championship defense is absolutely shut teams down and they take every opportunity if there's a fumble they get on it if there's an interception they get on it if they have a chance to break up a play, they do it..


I agree it was better than say the Green Bay debacle But if you even look at the Rams game in 2018 in the second round the defense was horrible at stopping the run but that was a close game But that didn't really show what was really going on with the time of possession we lost it in the 2nd quarter but they're running the ball all over us but it was still a 6 point game most of the game that doesn't mean it was great defense it that was just circumstances.

But when a team can run that much and where your defense out and also move the chains enough for long possessions even if they end up in a punt or a field goal versus a touchdown they are still effective that defense is in championship level it's just better than it's been yes I would take that over the Green Bay 2023 mess that we saw.
 
IF we could have had that 2009 D this season we would be in line to win it all

but like Dandy Don said
"IF ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we would all have a merry Christmas"
 
That is probably the only time the defense has played well in all the recent playoff games.
Imagine if Jerry was really all in and gave Quinn some real defensive tackles. The Cowboys were a better team then Philadelphia going into that offseason but one team decided to go for it while the other team got conservative with the cap.
 
The only reason we've had good offenses was completely lucking into two top 10 QBs back to back. The entire organization is fraudulent and incompetent but if you run a good QB out there you have an immediate advantage over 2/3rds of the league. As much of a joke as Jerry is, it would be so much worse without those two guys.
 

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