Lawrence, Herbert, Burrow and Allen a combined 2-6?

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These QBs that some have been assuring us are about to take over the league have a batting average of .250 right now? I guess that's good if you're a shortstop or a catcher but damn. I know that it's early in the season so there's time for things to turn around but damn. Burrow is pressing after the 50 million dollar a year contract so I expect him to calm down. Herbert is the new victim of the Kellen Moore curse. Lots of stats, no flow to the offense. Lawrence and Allen? Frankly neither has looked all that great even in their wins. Definitely something that bears watching.
 

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These QBs that some have been assuring us are about to take over the league have a batting average of .250 right now? I guess that's good if you're a shortstop or a catcher but damn. I know that it's early in the season so there's time for things to turn around but damn. Burrow is pressing after the 50 million dollar a year contract so I expect him to calm down. Herbert is the new victim of the Kellen Moore curse. Lots of stats, no flow to the offense. Lawrence and Allen? Frankly neither has looked all that great even in their wins. Definitely something that bears watching.
Allen looked a lot better this week. Honestly Lawrence hasn't been bad, but he hasn't been good either, he's been missing throws and was a big reason why they lost yesterday
 

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Why it's a "team" game.

Herbert will continue to put up good numbers however his defense is atrocious. Same with Cousins. Vikings had no reason having that record last year and will be lucky to sniff .500 . Burrow got off to a slow start last year too. Allen looked much better but his defense is also suspect. Lawrence has looked meh so far

Quarterback can have all the tools in the world but won't translate to much when the rest of the team is medicore at best. See Romo years
 

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It's a team sport. That's why when fans suggest Burrows is "a stud" I reserve judgment because when they're successful they have a pretty good team. Same with Herbert. Bothe excellent young QBs with a ton of ceiling, but not exactly "studs."
McCarthy got us looking balanced!
 

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Why it's a "team" game.

Herbert will continue to put up good numbers however his defense is atrocious. Same with Cousins. Vikings jad no reason having that record last year and will be lucky to sniff .500 . Burrow got off to a slow start last year too. Allen looked much better but his defense is also suspect. Lawrence has looked meh so far

Quarterback can have all the tools in the world but won't translate to much when the rest of the team is medicore at best. See Romo years
Yep.. I only mention any of this to remind the people who keep expecting one guy to "put the team on his back" that it just doesn't work that way. Never has and never will. Every time these idiots throw out some guy who "wins games by himself" I just like to ask why that guy doesn't "win games by himself" every week?
 
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These QBs that some have been assuring us are about to take over the league have a batting average of .250 right now? I guess that's good if you're a shortstop or a catcher but damn. I know that it's early in the season so there's time for things to turn around but damn. Burrow is pressing after the 50 million dollar a year contract so I expect him to calm down. Herbert is the new victim of the Kellen Moore curse. Lots of stats, no flow to the offense. Lawrence and Allen? Frankly neither has looked all that great even in their wins. Definitely something that bears watching.
I think it's just early season jitters with some of these teams. You really can't come to conclusions after 2 weeks. I remember one year where the Saints looked awful after 2 weeks, only to go 12-4. But Allen and the Bills? They've been having issues going back to last year. I think they have been way over rated and have said as much. Them beating up on the Raiders doesn't surprise me. When it comes to the better teams, I'm not sure they're contenders.
 

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Why it's a "team" game.

Herbert will continue to put up good numbers however his defense is atrocious. Same with Cousins. Vikings had no reason having that record last year and will be lucky to sniff .500 . Burrow got off to a slow start last year too. Allen looked much better but his defense is also suspect. Lawrence has looked meh so far

Quarterback can have all the tools in the world but won't translate to much when the rest of the team is medicore at best. See Romo years
Funny how this narrative only applies to the "golden boys" of the NFL. The others? Get absolutely zero of these excuses.

Say what you want about Herbert's defense letting him down but he's had the ball back to back weeks with a chance to win the game and failed. Same thing in the playoffs last season. He's Romo 2.0. Hollow stats but fails when it matters most.
 

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Yep.. I only mention any of this to remind the people who keep expecting one guy to "put the team on his back" that it just doesn't work that way. Never has and never will. Every time these idiots throw out some guy who "wins games by himself" I just like to ask why that guy doesn't "win games by himself" every week?
However I do think Allen, Herbert, Lawrence all have much more natural talent then Dak where it's not really close however as we all know it doesn't always translate in the NFL.

Look at Wentz and Dak for example. Coming into the league and the first few years damn near everyone said Wentz was the superior athlete. Daks throwing motion and mechanics were bad. However Dak put the work in and improved greatly and Wentz faded into nothing. If you had me pick who I thought was going to have a better career based upon skills I would have picked Wentz in two seconds but thats the funny thing about sports you never know
 

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You and i have had our differences about Dak. Hes been playing very well this year :starspin:
 

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However I do think Allen, Herbert, Lawrence all have much more natural talent then Dak where it's not really close however as we all know it doesn't always translate in the NFL.

Look at Wentz and Dak for example. Coming into the league and the first few years damn near everyone said Wentz was the superior athlete. Daks throwing motion and mechanics were bad. However Dak put the work in and improved greatly and Wentz faded into nothing. If you had me pick who I thought was going to have a better career based upon skills I would have picked Wentz in two seconds but thats the funny thing about sports you never know
Josh Allen leads the league in turnovers since 2020. I hear crickets about this. He can't beat one of the good QBs in the AFC come playoff time. His teams usually shrink in the big moments. Herbert's team choked away a 27pt playoff lead in the span of a few quarters. Oh yeah, defense's fault.

And Herbert has did absolutely zero to warrant any excuses and get the benefit of the doubt.
 

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However I do think Allen, Herbert, Lawrence all have much more natural talent then Dak where it's not really close however as we all know it doesn't always translate in the NFL.

Look at Wentz and Dak for example. Coming into the league and the first few years damn near everyone said Wentz was the superior athlete. Daks throwing motion and mechanics were bad. However Dak put the work in and improved greatly and Wentz faded into nothing. If you had me pick who I thought was going to have a better career based upon skills I would have picked Wentz in two seconds but thats the funny thing about sports you never know

We can agree to disagree. I think what they have is more time being developed as passers. Dak spent is high school and college days being used as a single wing tailback a lot of the time. Those coaches used his big body, athleticism and competitive drive to win games and fatten their paychecks not to prepare Dak for the next level. Pretty much all of Dak's development as a passer has come in the last 8 years. Most of these other guys have a 4 or 5 year head start on him in that department. Yes Dak's throwing motion and mechanics were bad coming into the league. But I never thought it was uncorrectable. I just thought it would take time. I also have always believed that if there is one guy who was going to put in the work to get there.. it was Dak. That's what is so cool about his journey to me. I think he is still getting better as a passer and the best is truly yet to come for him. His continued mastery of the offense and development as a thrower keep me excited about the future of my favorite team. Now if someone could just get him to take a little less money next year so we can make sure we keep Parsons!!!!
 

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All of those QB's have looked better than Mahomes, except for Burrow. :popcorn:

Yeah Mahomes is another one what people always like to throw out there as "doesn't need a run game or receivers..." So far this season without a run game and with a gimpy Kelce he don't look so amazing either. Thought let's be fair.. his numbers would have looked a lot better in that first game and really overall this season if Toney would actually catch the ball.
 

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Why it's a "team" game.

Herbert will continue to put up good numbers however his defense is atrocious. Same with Cousins. Vikings had no reason having that record last year and will be lucky to sniff .500 . Burrow got off to a slow start last year too. Allen looked much better but his defense is also suspect. Lawrence has looked meh so far

Quarterback can have all the tools in the world but won't translate to much when the rest of the team is medicore at best. See Romo years

Remember.... its only a team game for 31 teams. It's not a team game for the Dallas Cowboys because our quarterback is the only quarterback in the NFL who's SOLELY responsible for ALL losses, no matter how we lose.

He could throw for 500 yards, 6 tds and zero interceptions. But Dak is held responsible for missed fgs and defensive lapses as well.

Always remember this.... its a team game for every quarterback except Dak Prescott.
 

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Funny how this narrative only applies to the "golden boys" of the NFL. The others? Get absolutely zero of these excuses.

Say what you want about Herbert's defense letting him down but he's had the ball back to back weeks with a chance to win the game and failed. Same thing in the playoffs last season. He's Romo 2.0. Hollow stats but fails when it matters most.
Its all due to the star on the helmet. Switch the quarterbacks around and you wouldn't hear much about Dak and Allen for example would get put on blast by the media.

Romo actually played good not great post season football bar one year. Should have beat GB on one of the worst calls ever imo. Should have beat the Giants comfortably that year in the playoffs. Whats his face basically dropped Teo free easy TDS
 

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Remember.... its only a team game for 31 teams. It's not a team game for the Dallas Cowboys because our quarterback is the only quarterback in the NFL who's SOLELY responsible for ALL losses, no matter how we lose.

He could throw for 500 yards, 6 tds and zero interceptions. But Dak is held responsible for missed fgs and defensive lapses as well.

Always remember this.... its a team game for every quarterback except Dak Prescott.
It gave me great pleasure yesterday to se that the usuals were absent from the normal sunday chatter.One returned when he was called but he was absent prior. We will hear crickets from the till our QB falters or they read this and feel it necessary to blab something.
 

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These QBs that some have been assuring us are about to take over the league have a batting average of .250 right now? I guess that's good if you're a shortstop or a catcher but damn. I know that it's early in the season so there's time for things to turn around but damn. Burrow is pressing after the 50 million dollar a year contract so I expect him to calm down. Herbert is the new victim of the Kellen Moore curse. Lots of stats, no flow to the offense. Lawrence and Allen? Frankly neither has looked all that great even in their wins. Definitely something that bears watching.
You stated it already but 2 games is hardly a sample size. Other have already drawn conclusions and those posts will likely look foolish 3-4 more weeks into the season. Allen looks like he already is picking up steam and the Chargers have lost a shootout week 1 and have had a tough schedule. Loving the Cowboys start.

I was one of the ones that thought we needed to play the offense more preseason and I’m not sure if they were rusty week 1, but it didn’t matter. I was wrong as hell and it ain’t the first time.
 
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Why it's a "team" game.

Herbert will continue to put up good numbers however his defense is atrocious. Same with Cousins. Vikings had no reason having that record last year and will be lucky to sniff .500 . Burrow got off to a slow start last year too. Allen looked much better but his defense is also suspect. Lawrence has looked meh so far

Quarterback can have all the tools in the world but won't translate to much when the rest of the team is medicore at best. See Romo years
1000 likes if I could, each team has its own set of circumstances where the QB isn't necessarily the problem or savior. We're extremely fortunate to have DQ on board and a head coach capable of tailoring the offense to fit the team strengths.
 
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