LBs and Lack of Splash Plays

[CowboyRoy]

Because linebackers are cheap, easy to find in the draft, and aren’t a premium position you pay.

I repeated this a million times this past off-season but some of you don’t understand how the draft works.

First round picks, especially top 10 picks, are used on players that impact the pass game.

The run game is devalued. Teams don’t value big run stuffing Nose Tackles like Cowboyszone does.

If you can’t cover you are nearly useless at linebacker in today’s NFL.


Premium position are Corner, pass rusher, Offensive Tackle, QB.

Lets get something PERFECTLY striaght................YOU DONT understand how the draft works. You were one of the PRIME cry babies talking about how Parsons would be a bad pick.

You specifically mentioned his poor coverage abilities and that he was simply a one dimensional LB. I told you over and over and over again that Parsons could rush the passer and was the best defensive player in the draft.

And once again you did what you always do. Cry like a baby and tell me I dont know football.

And ONCE AGAIN we find out who that you are on the losing end of another one of our arguments and evaluations.

Seems like all your laughable theories about linebackers, QB's on rookie contracts, highly paid QB are all garbage theories.

 

[glimmerman]

Last splash play LB we had was Hollywood. Dexter made some nice plays here and there as well.

Sean Lee made some plays and was a field general.

 

[Proof]

And yet Dallas traded back and risked not getting him.. Why? Because he doesn’t play a premium position and wasn’t the guy they valued the most even though his grade may have been higher than others.

because they also valued slater. it's pretty easy to figure out. and plenty of lb's impact the game. and lb's have gone high for years now. nearly every single year.

 

[conner01]

What I saw in the last game Parson at LB coming up the middle taking on center a guard and still putting pressure and allowing others to come up and make the sack. 5 sacks in this game Parson getting 1 of them and 2 ints to go along with that due to pressure being brought. Bottom line is defense as a unit going out and making big plays to change the course of the game. Quinn wants to move Parson around and keep QB guessing.

Many splash plays are created by the other guys who don’t get credit
Parsons created a sack for the others and got one himself
One big difference in this team is the inside guys are not giving QB’s a pocket to step up in
That is helping create more impact from the edge
This little things get over looked but they are so important
It’s not always the guy making the play that creates the situation that leads to the play

 

[Doomsday101]

Many splash plays are created by the other guys who don’t get credit
Parsons created a sack for the others and got one himself
One big difference in this team is the inside guys are not giving QB’s a pocket to step up in
That is helping create more impact from the edge
This little things get over looked but they are so important
It’s not always the guy making the play that creates the situation that leads to the play

I agree. I like seeing Parson lined up at DE and I like seeing him moved around because I think what we are seeing is just the tip of the iceberg with him. This is a man 6''3" 246 who is running 40 at 4.38 his skill level will allow Quinn to move him outside and inside, to drop in to coverage at times. And as great as he has played this is just the start, the guy was not even playing ball last season so in my view he is far from a finished product.

 

[DanA]

A good off ball linebacker like Lee or Wagner might get 1 int, 8 TFL’s and 2 FF over the course of the entire season. And the further away from the LOS you are the less opportunity you have to make a splash.

So far Parsons largely playing at the LOS, he has 2.5 sacks, and 3 TFL’s which projected over a season is 11 sacks, and 13 TFL’s. That’s not indicative of a traditional off ball linebacker. Instead he has has elite edge stats.

I generally wouldn’t draft a LB, RB or safety in the 1st round because it’s relatively cheap/easy to find decent production in those positions, and the success rate of picks isn’t high enough to offset the lower market value. But QB, OT or EDGE should be prioritised and we got an edge rusher in Parsons.

 

[JohnsKey19]

Last splash play LB we had was Hollywood. Dexter made some nice plays here and there as well.

Coakley and Randall Godfrey were really good for a couple years in the late 90s. Their speed allowed them to make a lot of "splash" plays.

 

[phildadon86]

Lets get something PERFECTLY striaght................YOU DONT understand how the draft works. You were one of the PRIME cry babies talking about how Parsons would be a bad pick.

You specifically mentioned his poor coverage abilities and that he was simply a one dimensional LB. I told you over and over and over again that Parsons could rush the passer and was the best defensive player in the draft.

And once again you did what you always do. Cry like a baby and tell me I dont know football.

And ONCE AGAIN we find out who that you are on the losing end of another one of our arguments and evaluations.

Seems like all your laughable theories about linebackers, QB's on rookie contracts, highly paid QB are all garbage theories.

 

[CATCH17]

Lets get something PERFECTLY striaght................YOU DONT understand how the draft works. You were one of the PRIME cry babies talking about how Parsons would be a bad pick.

You specifically mentioned his poor coverage abilities and that he was simply a one dimensional LB. I told you over and over and over again that Parsons could rush the passer and was the best defensive player in the draft.

And once again you did what you always do. Cry like a baby and tell me I dont know football.

And ONCE AGAIN we find out who that you are on the losing end of another one of our arguments and evaluations.

Seems like all your laughable theories about linebackers, QB's on rookie contracts, highly paid QB are all garbage theories.

My “laughable theories” was just confirmed by Jerry Jones and his son during the off-season about linebackers. Comprehend better.

Seeing how Parsons is used now, where he went in the draft, And me constantly saying he has to impact the pass game yet you think I’m wrong.

Parsons still has a long list of question marks. Jerry even said on the radio this morning that his coverage ability was a concern.

So I’m not at all ashamed of my Parsons projection because his role changed bigtime from just week 1 to week 2 and after week 1 it looked like he had a long way to go.


So like Parsons needs to work on coverage you need to work on comprehension but I’m afraid you don’t have that upside.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Seeing how Parsons is used now, where he went in the draft, And me constantly saying he has to impact the pass game yet you think I’m wrong.

Parsons still has a long list of question marks. Jerry even said on the radio this morning that his coverage ability was a concern.

So I’m not at all ashamed of my Parsons projection because his role changed bigtime from just week 1 to week 2 and after week 1 it looked like he had a long way to go.


So like Parsons needs to work on coverage you need to work on comprehension but I’m afraid you don’t have that upside.


It’s not like I didn’t say constantly that he can play sideways and come down hill but he has to impact the pass game over and over and over.

Did I know he could play on the LOS like this? No.. I didn’t have access to his highschool footage and I’m not sure I’m capable of knowing how well that translates to playing against Lane Johnson in week 3 of the season.

Its one thing to get it all completely wrong. Its another thing to be presented with watching Parsons for 4 games and still get it wrong. LOL

You are a hopeless case.

I hated the Osa pick when it happened. But by the end of TC I liked the kid. And after watching him in preseason I was sold. Dont stay stuck in S. Admit you were wrong and move on. If you are man enough to do so.

 

[CATCH17]

Its one thing to get it all completely wrong. Its another thing to be presented with watching Parsons for 4 games and still get it wrong. LOL

You are a hopeless case.

I hated the Osa pick when it happened. But by the end of TC I liked the kid. And after watching him in preseason I was sold. Dont stay stuck in S. Admit you were wrong and move on. If you are man enough to do so.

Its one thing to get it all completely wrong. Its another thing to be presented with watching Parsons for 4 games and still get it wrong. LOL

You are a hopeless case.

I hated the Osa pick when it happened. But by the end of TC I liked the kid. And after watching him in preseason I was sold. Dont stay stuck in S. Admit you were wrong and move on. If you are man enough to do so.

What am I wrong about?

 

[CowboyRoy]

What am I wrong about?

You didnt like Parsons or the pick.

Dead wrong. It was a great pick, he was a great prospect and he is lighting up the NFL. Already wrapped up DROY.

You were also wrong he cant affect the passing game, its his best traight as he can rush the passer. As I told you over and over and over again.

 

[CATCH17]

You didnt like Parsons or the pick.

Dead wrong. It was a great pick, he was a great prospect and he is lighting up the NFL. Already wrapped up DROY.

You were also wrong he cant affect the passing game, its his best traight as he can rush the passer. As I told you over and over and over again.

No I didn’t like the pick I judged him as a traditional 4-3 linebacker like the rest of the league who didn’t select him before pick 11.

You know if teams knew he could impact the LOS like this then he doesn’t make it to our pick right?

The problem with a lot of these arguments is you don’t know very much so when something like this happens you have no idea how to comprehend what just happens.

The reality is, and Jerry Jones knows it, that he needs to be rushing the QB from this point forward and anything he gives you as a linebacker is a added bonus.

If not for Demarcus Lawrence’s broken foot there is no telling how this player is viewed right now if his role was the same as it was against the Bucs and anyone paying attention against Carolina could see him looking like a fish out of water at linebacker at times.

You know what he’s good at? Plying sideways and downhill just like I said he could do in college.

What myself and nearly nobody else projected was the type of impact he could have basically playing defensive end and nobody thought about it.

I shouldn’t have to break these obvious things down to you but you want to argue so hopefully you can comprehend what I just wrote instead..

 

[CowboyRoy]

No I didn’t like the pick I judged him as a traditional 4-3 linebacker like the rest of the league who didn’t select him before pick 11.

You know if teams knew he could impact the LOS like this then he doesn’t make it to our pick right?

The problem with a lot of these arguments is you don’t know very much so when something like this happens you have no idea how to comprehend what just happens.

The reality is, and Jerry Jones knows it, that he needs to be rushing the QB from this point forward and anything he gives you as a linebacker is a added bonus.

If not for Demarcus Lawrence’s broken foot there is no telling how this player is viewed right now if his role was the same as it was against the Bucs and anyone paying attention against Carolina could see him looking like a fish out of water at linebacker at times.

You know what he’s good at? Plying sideways and downhill just like I said he could do in college.

What myself and nearly nobody else projected was the type of impact he could have basically playing defensive end and nobody thought about it.

I shouldn’t have to break these obvious things down to you but you want to argue so hopefully you can comprehend what I just wrote instead..

Dont make excuses, you got it wrong. Me and a few others nailed it perfectly. Told you over and over again about his ability to rush the passer.

And you are still avoiding the 10 years of mediocrity comment you got horribly wrong.

So do you still think this team will mire in mediocrity for 10 years? Once again, you arent man enough to admit you were wrong.

 

[CATCH17]

Dont make excuses, you got it wrong. Me and a few others nailed it perfectly. Told you over and over again about his ability to rush the passer.

And you are still avoiding the 10 years of mediocrity comment you got horribly wrong.

So do you still think this team will mire in mediocrity for 10 years? Once again, you arent man enough to admit you were wrong.

No you want to boil it down to this non complex thing and that’s just not the reality of the situation.

I still don’t know if he can be a good traditional linebacker. The only time he looks special is when he is up on the LOS rushing. Pretty obvious stuff really.

 

[phildadon86]

No you want to boil it down to this non complex thing and that’s just not the reality of the situation.

I still don’t know if he can be a good traditional linebacker. The only time he looks special is when he is up on the LOS rushing. Pretty obvious stuff really.

The guy chased down Jalen Hurts from the other end of the field just with pure speed. What are you on about now? You cant admit when you are wrong. Ever. Its been documented. Multiple times. I dont need to go down the list. At least youve stopped saying Dak isnt a great QB. So there is a start.

 

[CowboyRoy]

No you want to boil it down to this non complex thing and that’s just not the reality of the situation.

I still don’t know if he can be a good traditional linebacker. The only time he looks special is when he is up on the LOS rushing. Pretty obvious stuff really.

The guy is a total and complete stud at linebacker, DE, doesnt matter. You missed it all completely even after being told repeatedly EXACTLY what he was good at.

So do you still think the Cowboys are stuck in mediocrity for the next 10 years? Your silence is deafening. Its only week4 and you have already lost two huge debates with me.

Next time Smarten up!! It should be obvious by now I am just better at this football stuff than you are.

 

[Mr_437]

Parsons made a splash play Sunday at LB. Of course, this team lacks splash plays with LVE n Jaylon. Also, the starting LBs (Neal/Parsons) have only played a couple games as the LBs.

 

[CATCH17]

The guy chased down Jalen Hurts from the other end of the field just with pure speed. What are you on about now? You cant admit when you are wrong. Ever. Its been documented. Multiple times. I dont need to go down the list. At least youve stopped saying Dak isnt a great QB. So there is a start.

1. He was on the LOS..

2.. Who ever said he wasn’t fast?

3. I constantly said he can run sideways and come down hill. Those jumped off his film.


This isn’t hard.

 

[CATCH17]

The guy is a total and complete stud at linebacker, DE, doesnt matter. You missed it all completely even after being told repeatedly EXACTLY what he was good at.

So do you still think the Cowboys are stuck in mediocrity for the next 10 years? Your silence is deafening. Its only week4 and you have already lost two huge debates with me.

Next time Smarten up!! It should be obvious by now I am just better at this football stuff than you are.

Your stud linebacker isn’t that good at covering or reading his keys against the run.

He’s about like Jaylon when he is asked to be a traditional linebacker..

Now does he have the upside to be more then that as a linebacker? Absolutely.. But right now he’s just ok at it.

What makes him special is when he is lined up on the line of scrimmage and rushing the QB.

Even Jerry Jones has figured this out but some of you can’t. Sad..