Leary trade for a pick?

[darthseinfeld]

OK, think about this scenario. Ramsey is the top player on the Dallas board and falls to their pick at 4. One of the QBs is the 5th rated player on the Dallas board but is still available after 19 picks.

The Jets pick 20th and just lost LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson to retirement. The Jets call and offer you their pick at 20 for Collins.

Do you turn them down? Knowing Leary can step back into a starting role?

I turn it down in a heartbeat. In not trading an All Pro level talent for any pick in this years draft. This draft class is very mediocre. Also factor in Leary is on a one year deal with degenerative knee. He is no safe bet

Players dont have trade value VS picks this time of year. IMO If you trade Leary, you trade him for a young starter level player playing a non money 5 position with one of two years left on his deal. LB or HB. If your luck a Safety

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

OK, think about this scenario. Ramsey is the top player on the Dallas board and falls to their pick at 4. One of the QBs is the 5th rated player on the Dallas board but is still available after 19 picks.

The Jets pick 20th and just lost LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson to retirement. The Jets call and offer you their pick at 20 for Collins.

Do you turn them down? Knowing Leary can step back into a starting role?

Why trade a proven commodity like Collins (he proved to me he can be a dominant G last year) for an unproven backup QB at 20 that costs 5x as much?

 

[Kaiser]

Why trade a proven commodity like Collins (he proved to me he can be a dominant G last year) for an unproven backup QB at 20 that costs 5x as much?

Because you think the draft choice will turn into a franchise QB in time? IMO the difference in performance between Collins and Leary isn't anywhere near enough to turn down that kind of trade.

 

[Kaiser]

I turn it down in a heartbeat. In not trading an All Pro level talent for any pick in this years draft. This draft class is very mediocre.

You wouldn't trade Collins for Tunsil or Wentz or Ramsey?

I would. If you think a player is an All Pro player at a premium position, especially QB, I would trade an All Pro OG for them any day of the week.

 

[darthseinfeld]

You wouldn't trade Collins for Tunsil or Wentz or Ramsey?

I would. If you think a player is an All Pro player at a premium position, especially QB, I would trade an All Pro OG for them any day of the week.

Your not getting a top 5 pick for Collins, and outside of Wentz ....no I wouldnt. Top 15 maybe but they aren't letting him go for that, and I wouldnt either

 

[Kaiser]

Your not getting a top 5 pick for Collins. Top 15 maybe but they aren't letting him go for that, and I wouldnt either

That's not what I said. I said the scenario is you have someone in the top five on your board but he is available at 20.

You are the one who said you wouldn't trade Collins for any player in this draft.

 

[darthseinfeld]

That's not what I said. I said the scenario is you have someone in the top five on your board but he is available at 20.

You are the one who said you wouldn't trade Collins for any player in this draft.

I edited while you posted. The only player in this draft I would trade Collins for is Wentz or maybe Goff. And thats just because they are QBs. Talent wise, Tunsil is the legit top 5 in any draft talent in this draft and we already have our LT and overall talent wise there isnt that high a drop off from Tunsil to Collins that would make me want to lose an All Pro level talent on the offensive line at a UDFA salary

 

[BigStar]

If a team really has a lot of holes to fill and has a glaring hole at guard, I could see Dallas being able to swap picks with the other team to move up and trade pick for pick plus Leary. The other team gets an instant starter at guard in Leary and still might be able to get a starter with the traded pick. In return Dallas would get the targeted player.

That is generally an unlikely scenario, but Leary is an obvious candidate for such a trade due to his youth, talent level, and our riches at the position.

That's what I'm hoping for if the team does go for Wentz in the first and uses the ammo needed, etc. to get to 1; 2/3 and next year's 1st is the cost at 4 (w/no other variables at play based off of draft value chart) Maybe our early 4 to an early/mid 3rd to secure either a RB or D help. Leary is a great 3rd G so it comes down to if the team wants that luxury for a year or go for a player they really like in the 3rd instead. If another team makes the trade we don't, CLE will take Goff most likely. In that scenario, I would trade down or aka fleece a team willing to trade up for Ramsey/Tunsil.

Side note: is fleece the new "in/acceptable" phrase for the older vulgar/now offensive reference when receiving more than you should in a trade down?

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Because you think the draft choice will turn into a franchise QB in time? IMO the difference in performance between Collins and Leary isn't anywhere near enough to turn down that kind of trade.

What's the hit rate for franchise QBs at pick 20?

 

[Kaiser]

What's the hit rate for franchise QBs at pick 20?

What was the hit rate when Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers at 24?

Teams don't make trade based on a stat, they do it on scouting.

 

[Cowboy06]

What do you think the probabilities are that Leary will be traded for a pick, or in a trade up for a pick?

I would trade up back into the first round with Leary...but only for that. If not that, keep him. He's good depth and can start. I'm mindful of the knee issues and I would rather get out from under that fear sooner than later.

 

[Cowboy06]

What do you think the probabilities are that Leary will be traded for a pick, or in a trade up for a pick?

My apologies...the question was simple: 25%

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

What was the hit rate when Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers at 24?

Teams don't make trade based on a stat, they do it on scouting.

I think the Browns probably thought they scouted Manziel pretty well when they traded up to pick no. 22... Point is we have a proven, top 10 talent - who has shown flashes of all pro talent - on a cheap contract. You don't trade him for an unproven QB prospect at pick 20 because the hit rate for QBs outside the top 5 is very low, Aaron Rodgers notwithstanding.

 

[Sarge]

Very slim.

 

[conner01]

Why would a team give you much of a pick for Leary when they then have to sign him? You could trade Leary but you can't get a pick high enough to be worth losing the depth for

 

[conner01]

I think the Browns probably thought they scouted Manziel pretty well when they traded up to pick no. 22... Point is we have a proven, top 10 talent - who has shown flashes of all pro talent - on a cheap contract. You don't trade him for an unproven QB prospect at pick 20 because the hit rate for QBs outside the top 5 is very low, Aaron Rodgers notwithstanding.

If the Browns didn't see the glaring red flags with little Johnny then they have bigger issues than I even thought. There hasn't been a QB with such glaring evidence of failure written all over him that I can remember

 

[Kaiser]

I think the Browns probably thought they scouted Manziel pretty well when they traded up to pick no. 22... Point is we have a proven, top 10 talent - who has shown flashes of all pro talent - on a cheap contract. You don't trade him for an unproven QB prospect at pick 20 because the hit rate for QBs outside the top 5 is very low, Aaron Rodgers notwithstanding.

Sure, totally valid take but IMO you always, always take the premium position player over a position like OG, especially when you already have a capable starter in Leary that can step in.

Also not to quibble but Collins was never rated in the top ten. He was always pegged in the 15 - 25 range.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Sure, totally valid take but IMO you always, always take the premium position player over a position like OG, especially when you already have a capable starter in Leary that can step in.

Also not to quibble but Collins was never rated in the top ten. He was always pegged in the 15 - 25 range.

We should just draft a QB at 4 and not screw around with trading Leary, Collins, or picks

 

[conner01]

You wouldn't trade Collins for Tunsil or Wentz or Ramsey?

I would. If you think a player is an All Pro player at a premium position, especially QB, I would trade an All Pro OG for them any day of the week.

Collins is a good prospect and had a good rookie season. But some fans are dramatically over rating what he did last year. I don't like trafing players under their rookie contract and Leary is not under contract next year so I wouldn't trade Collins and Leary doesn't have great trade value since he's not signed. But some act like Collins is a HOF player slready

 

[Irvin88_4life]

OK, think about this scenario. Ramsey is the top player on the Dallas board and falls to their pick at 4. One of the QBs is the 5th rated player on the Dallas board but is still available after 19 picks.

The Jets pick 20th and just lost LT D'Brickashaw Ferguson to retirement. The Jets call and offer you their pick at 20 for Collins.

Do you turn them down? Knowing Leary can step back into a starting role?

Only if they offer their 2nd or 3rd as well. A team isn't going to offer number 20 overall to a guy that has played 1 season at OG and never played LT in the NFL to be their most important piece.