Length of the Packers' passes

[AdamJT13]

Here's how far downfield each pass was thrown on the Packers' completions --

FAVRE
8, 13, 4, -3, 16


RODGERS
0, 5, 1, 2, 7 (TD), 5, 11, 12, 3, 7, 2, 10, 4, 0, 5, -1, 11, 7


And now the incompletions --

FAVRE
7, 41, 26, 2, 35 (intercepted), 33, 54, 39, 4 (intercepted)


RODGERS
0 (batted down), 19, -1, 8, 37, 0 (spiked), 11, 3


So the Packers finished 0-for-8 with one interception on passes thrown more than 16 yards downfield. And 17 of their 23 completions were thrown 8 yards or less, with six more between 10 and 16 yards downfield.


Just for comparison, here are the lengths of Romo's passes --

Completions -- 12, -4, 6, 19, 3 (TD), 41, 20 (TD), 10 (TD), 36, 12, -2, -3, 26, 6, 5, 8, 10, 4 (TD), 6

Incompletions -- 11, 5, 8, 10, 14, 17, 24, 29, 14, 6 (intercepted), 5


On passes thrown more than 16 yards downfield, Romo finished 5-for-8 -- not counting the two pass interference penalties for 40 and 42 yards.

 

[Daudr]

Yeah, but listen to all the mediots - Green Bay has the better backfield.

If not for some of the weirdness going on in this game it would have been at least 47 to 20 or something like that. The game was not nearly as close as the final score shows.

 

[superpunk]

I can clearly see that our secondary has some serious issues.

Rodgers actually did have a decent YPA, he was hitting those intermediate routes for good YAC. Not nearly as good as Romo's amazing 10.3 number, but it was decent. Too bad Nate Jones put Old Man River out of commission.

 

[AdamJT13]

I can clearly see that our secondary has some serious issues.

But it doesn't have the issue everyone seems to think it does. The "book" on the Cowboys' secondary is to throw deep, attacking the safeties and Anthony Henry with speed. But other than Burress on the third play of the season and Stallworth against Reeves in the New England game, we really haven't had a problem with deep passes. Not even Roy has been beaten on a deep pass, and lots of people say he can't cover deep.

 

[Woods]

Good stuff, Adam.

What really hurt us was the YAC, IMO - esp on about 3-4 receptions that I remember of the top of my head. Hopefully we tackle a bit better next week.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

If I had to say what our "issue" in the secondary was last night, it was tackling. It was really bad at times and we took some poor angles.

 

[Woods]

If I had to say what our "issue" in the secondary was last night, it was tackling. It was really bad at times and we took some poor angles.

Yes, agreed.

Even that long TD run by the Packers' RB was a fluke, IMO. Again, bad angles.

 

[THUMPER]

Bad angles, arm tackling, poor technique, looking for the hit rather than wrapping up, etc. the point is that we are not a good tackling team yet but we had better get there soon. I hope that is the focus of practice the rest of the season before we get to the playoffs.

The stop by Burnett at the goalline was AWESOME! He should be giving the rest of the team tips on how it is supposed to be done. The hit by Keith Davis on the last kickoff was also outstanding, big hit and wrap up, hammer him to the ground!

Wade should put toothpicks in Roy Williams' eyelids and force him to watch those two tackles over and over until he gets it. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground.

Newman and Henry also missed a couple of tackles due to bad angles and arm tackles. I can hear Vince Lombardi now, "Grab, grab, grab! That's all I see out there, nothing but grab, grab, grab!".

 

[sacase]

Bad angles, arm tackling, poor technique, looking for the hit rather than wrapping up, etc. the point is that we are not a good tackling team yet but we had better get there soon. I hope that is the focus of practice the rest of the season before we get to the playoffs.

The stop by Burnett at the goalline was AWESOME! He should be giving the rest of the team tips on how it is supposed to be done. The hit by Keith Davis on the last kickoff was also outstanding, big hit and wrap up, hammer him to the ground!

Wade should put toothpicks in Roy Williams' eyelids and force him to watch those two tackles over and over until he gets it. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground.

Newman and Henry also missed a couple of tackles due to bad angles and arm tackles. I can hear Vince Lombardi now, "Grab, grab, grab! That's all I see out there, nothing but grab, grab, grab!".

What are you talking about, Roy had text book tackles also, especially the one on Grant. I didn't see anyone got for the big hit and bounce off.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Bad angles, arm tackling, poor technique, looking for the hit rather than wrapping up, etc. the point is that we are not a good tackling team yet but we had better get there soon. I hope that is the focus of practice the rest of the season before we get to the playoffs.

The stop by Burnett at the goalline was AWESOME! He should be giving the rest of the team tips on how it is supposed to be done. The hit by Keith Davis on the last kickoff was also outstanding, big hit and wrap up, hammer him to the ground!

Wade should put toothpicks in Roy Williams' eyelids and force him to watch those two tackles over and over until he gets it. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground.

Newman and Henry also missed a couple of tackles due to bad angles and arm tackles. I can hear Vince Lombardi now, "Grab, grab, grab! That's all I see out there, nothing but grab, grab, grab!".

Sad but true commentary.

 

[THUMPER]

What are you talking about, Roy had text book tackles also, especially the one on Grant. I didn't see anyone got for the big hit and bounce off.

You mean the one where he missed the initial hit and had to drag him down by the jersey? Or the other one where the TE ran right through him? Which one of those was the "text book tackle" you were talking about?

 

[sacase]

You mean the one where he missed the initial hit and had to drag him down by the jersey? Or the other one where the TE ran right through him? Which one of those was the "text book tackle" you were talking about?

For every tackle Roy misses there are 4 or 5 that he makes. Why do you think he is the leading tackler on the team. Its like people forget that there is another guy out there that can make plays. I mean, its not like there is a defensive player in the league that hasn't been run over. You want to talk about one tackle that KD made on the KR but forget that he got blown up by the TE. Hey, but don't let facts get in the way of a good Roy bashing....

 

[burmafrd]

We miss too many tackles. Plain and simple. SOB needs to really emphasize tackling technique for the rest of the season.

 

[superpunk]

But it doesn't have the issue everyone seems to think it does. The "book" on the Cowboys' secondary is to throw deep, attacking the safeties and Anthony Henry with speed. But other than Burress on the third play of the season and Stallworth against Reeves in the New England game, we really haven't had a problem with deep passes. Not even Roy has been beaten on a deep pass, and lots of people say he can't cover deep.

lol...should've denoted sarcasm somehow, I guess.

Our scheme dictates that we are content to allow teams to complete passes underneath all day. There's nothing that can be done about that except to make better tackles, and take better angles. (I'm looking at you, Pat Watkins... ) We played the intermediate routes pretty tight for awhile, but late either Rodgers was just that much better than Favre, or our secondary just got lazy, because the intermediate middle around the hashes was wide open, it seemed.

 

[circasurvive]

I can clearly see that our secondary has some serious issues.

Rodgers actually did have a decent YPA, he was hitting those intermediate routes for good YAC. Not nearly as good as Romo's amazing 10.3 number, but it was decent. Too bad Nate Jones put Old Man River out of commission.

Well thats the Packers offense. Why Favre dint do it? I dont know. Bad playcalling for the Packers. Cowboys di what got them to 10-1, Packers did not.

 

[superpunk]

Well thats the Packers offense. Why Favre dint do it? I dont know. Bad playcalling for the Packers. Cowboys di what got them to 10-1, Packers did not.

It's not like the Cowboys didn't have a plan on defense. Undoubtedly they wanted to take away the things Favre likes to do most, and they were able to for the entire time Favre is in there. Rodgers is a different guy - a guy who the defense hadn't prepared for, and it looked like they decided to just play some soft zone and hope he would screw up.

To Rodgers credit, he didn't.

 

[Iago33]

I was a little worried when Burnett looked like he got dinged. He's become a very important part of our defense.

 

[Rack]

I can clearly see that our secondary has some serious issues.

Rodgers actually did have a decent YPA, he was hitting those intermediate routes for good YAC. Not nearly as good as Romo's amazing 10.3 number, but it was decent. Too bad Nate Jones put Old Man River out of commission.

We held Rogers to less YPA then what our D has allowed on average this season. "Serious issues"? What game were you watching?

And his YPA attempt were helped GREATLY by that 40 yard pass play (where he only threw it like 5 yards down field) vs our 4th CB.

 

[superpunk]

We held Rogers to less YPA then what our D has allowed on average this season. "Serious issues"? What game were you watching?

And his YPA attempt were helped GREATLY by that 40 yard pass play (where he only threw it like 5 yards down field) vs our 4th CB.

Yes. This is my opinion. Tell me more about why it is incorrect.

 

[joseephuss]

Here's how far downfield each pass was thrown on the Packers' completions --

FAVRE
8, 13, 4, -3, 16


RODGERS
0, 5, 1, 2, 7 (TD), 5, 11, 12, 3, 7, 2, 10, 4, 0, 5, -1, 11, 7


And now the incompletions --

FAVRE
7, 41, 26, 2, 35 (intercepted), 33, 54, 39, 4 (intercepted)


RODGERS
0 (batted down), 19, -1, 8, 37, 0 (spiked), 11, 3


So the Packers finished 0-for-8 with one interception on passes thrown more than 16 yards downfield. And 17 of their 23 completions were thrown 8 yards or less, with six more between 10 and 16 yards downfield.


Just for comparison, here are the lengths of Romo's passes --

Completions -- 12, -4, 6, 19, 3 (TD), 41, 20 (TD), 10 (TD), 36, 12, -2, -3, 26, 6, 5, 8, 10, 4 (TD), 6

Incompletions -- 11, 5, 8, 10, 14, 17, 24, 29, 14, 6 (intercepted), 5


On passes thrown more than 16 yards downfield, Romo finished 5-for-8 -- not counting the two pass interference penalties for 40 and 42 yards.

I wonder how far Favre was trying to throw the ball when Jones hit him and Newman ended up with the INT. I would bet that he was trying to throw it more than 4 yards down field since he pump faked. Jones hitting him was what limited it to only 4 yards. I would unofficially count that in the pass attempts of more than 16 yards.