Length of the Packers' passes

[Danny White]

lol...should've denoted sarcasm somehow, I guess.

I figured everyone knew by now that everything you post is sarcastic.

Then again, you can forgive Adam, he's half man, half machine.

 

[smarta5150]

Stop being so immature SP.

Try to be serious for once in your life.

 

[superpunk]

You guys must be smokin' that good ish. I keeps it real, yo.

 

[smarta5150]

Toke and pass.

 

[dogunwo]

You guys must be smokin' that good ish. I keeps it real, yo.

Are you still on sabbatical? What the hell is your problem?

 

[Vintage]

Are you still on sabbatical? What the hell is your problem?

He is pregnant. Cut him some slack.

 

[superpunk]

Are you still on sabbatical? What the hell is your problem?

The **** you talkin' 'bout?

He is pregnant. Cut him some slack.

Seriously. But I am doing mad crunches, and taking ephedra. My child will be like a crumpled Carrot-head on crack.

 

[THUMPER]

For every tackle Roy misses there are 4 or 5 that he makes. Why do you think he is the leading tackler on the team. Its like people forget that there is another guy out there that can make plays. I mean, its not like there is a defensive player in the league that hasn't been run over. You want to talk about one tackle that KD made on the KR but forget that he got blown up by the TE. Hey, but don't let facts get in the way of a good Roy bashing....

You are not really comparing the expectations for Roy with those on Keith Davis are you? Roy Williams was a top-10 pick and is SUPPOSED to be an elite player. He can be but he needs to get a LOT better at making tackles. KD is a STs scrub.

He is almost always in the right position, which says that his instincts are spot on, but then he whiffs on a number of tackles every game. That is not acceptable from a player with his skills and ability.

We are not talking about something he is incapable of doing physically, but something he is doing wrong that can be corrected. I think those big hits that got him on Sports Center every week when he was a rookie went to his head and have gotten him into some bad habits when tackling guys.

He STILL attempts to use the "horse collar" nearly every time he is next to, or behind, a player which tells me that he is not good at learning new techniques or breaking bad habits. And please don't throw out that maybe he is missing tackles because he is trying NOT to horse collar the guy because he has had this problem long before that was made illegal, so it won't fly.

The bottom line is that Roy is a hitter, not a tackler, and he needs to change that if he wants to be a truly elite player in the league, which he certainly can be.

 

[Idgit]

Bad angles, arm tackling, poor technique, looking for the hit rather than wrapping up, etc. the point is that we are not a good tackling team yet but we had better get there soon. I hope that is the focus of practice the rest of the season before we get to the playoffs.

The stop by Burnett at the goalline was AWESOME! He should be giving the rest of the team tips on how it is supposed to be done. The hit by Keith Davis on the last kickoff was also outstanding, big hit and wrap up, hammer him to the ground!

Wade should put toothpicks in Roy Williams' eyelids and force him to watch those two tackles over and over until he gets it. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground. Hit, wrap, hammer to the ground.

Newman and Henry also missed a couple of tackles due to bad angles and arm tackles. I can hear Vince Lombardi now, "Grab, grab, grab! That's all I see out there, nothing but grab, grab, grab!".

Sometimes I like to make loud, annoying noises for no reason, too. This one was so nice, I thought everyone should enjoy it twice.

 

[percyhoward]

So the Packers finished 0-for-8 with one interception on passes thrown more than 16 yards downfield. And 17 of their 23 completions were thrown 8 yards or less, with six more between 10 and 16 yards downfield.

On passes thrown more than 16 yards downfield, Romo finished 5-for-8 -- not counting the two pass interference penalties for 40 and 42 yards.

Great comparison--and typical of both QB's over the last two seasons. Anybody who thinks Romo is a YAC guy isn't paying attention.

 

[THUMPER]

Sometimes I like to make loud, annoying noises for no reason, too. This one was so nice, I thought everyone should enjoy it twice.

So you don't think that poor tackling was a problem last night? I hope you get a chance to watch the game sometime.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

But it doesn't have the issue everyone seems to think it does. The "book" on the Cowboys' secondary is to throw deep, attacking the safeties and Anthony Henry with speed. But other than Burress on the third play of the season and Stallworth against Reeves in the New England game, we really haven't had a problem with deep passes. Not even Roy has been beaten on a deep pass, and lots of people say he can't cover deep.

I'm really not sure how that became the book.

Our weakness is in the short/medium stuff it seems to me. We're a little soft there because of our priorities -- wanna stop the run, wanna pressure the QB, wanna protect against the deep stuff, but only allowed 11 guys.

That's why Favre's strategy was so odd and why, arguably, Rodgers had some nice success.

 

[ajk23az]

What are the length of Romo's passes?

 

[Idgit]

So you don't think that poor tackling was a problem last night? I hope you get a chance to watch the game sometime.

Me, too. That would be awesome.

I should have been more specific about which part of your loud noise I thought was most meaningless. I was specifically digging the Roy Williams now needs to learn how to tackle, too, part.

 

[BiffWellingtonIII]

how many 1st downs did Rodgers hit??

 

[Bob Sacamano]

lol...should've denoted sarcasm somehow, I guess.

Our scheme dictates that we are content to allow teams to complete passes underneath all day. There's nothing that can be done about that except to make better tackles, and take better angles. (I'm looking at you, Pat Watkins... ) We played the intermediate routes pretty tight for awhile, but late either Rodgers was just that much better than Favre, or our secondary just got lazy, because the intermediate middle around the hashes was wide open, it seemed.

actually, there is something we can do about that, play an aggressive zone

we did initially until Rodgers came in

 

[goshan]

I'm really not sure how that became the book.

Our weakness is in the short/medium stuff it seems to me. We're a little soft there because of our priorities -- wanna stop the run, wanna pressure the QB, wanna protect against the deep stuff, but only allowed 11 guys.

That's why Favre's strategy was so odd and why, arguably, Rodgers had some nice success.

Wrong guys. Lets really think about this.

Yes our seconday absolutely does have the weakness everyone thinks...the 'natural' weakness is giving up the deep ball because of lack of speed at one corner and mediocre coverage safeties.

That is why we have to play too soft on short stuff and overcompensate for the deep ball. Becuase we aren't strong at downfield coverage, we can't play aggressive at short to mid range passes. Net result - teams can throw 8-12 yard passes and move down the field.

 

[AdamJT13]

That is why we have to play too soft on short stuff and overcompensate for the deep ball. Becuase we aren't strong at downfield coverage, we can't play aggressive at short to mid range passes. Net result - teams can throw 8-12 yard passes and move down the field.

How are we "overcompensating" for the deep ball? The majority of teams play Cover 2 a lot of the time, just like we often do. We also play with only one safety sometimes -- wouldn't that be undercompensating for the deep ball? And it's not like teams aren't attempting deep passes against us, they're just not completing them.

It's true that we play a lot of zone -- more than I'd prefer, for sure. But teams still are completing only 58.4 percent of their passes against us, the third-lowest percentage in the league. And we lead the NFL in interceptions. So where are all of those 8-to-12-yard passes we let teams complete with ease?

 

[goshan]

How are we "overcompensating" for the deep ball? The majority of teams play Cover 2 a lot of the time, just like we often do. We also play with only one safety sometimes -- wouldn't that be undercompensating for the deep ball? And it's not like teams aren't attempting deep passes against us, they're just not completing them.

It's true that we play a lot of zone -- more than I'd prefer, for sure. But teams still are completing only 58.4 percent of their passes against us, the third-lowest percentage in the league. And we lead the NFL in interceptions. So where are all of those 8-to-12-yard passes we let teams complete with ease?

I will try again. Our defensive stats (NFL wide): we are 20th in passing yards allowed per game, but have a very respectable 6.4 YPA and opposing QB rating of 72.6. We are 27th in 1st downs allowed and 12th in 3rd down defense. We are 3rd in sacks and 1st in interceptions. We are 4th in rushing YA PG.

Logical Conclusions:
1. Without even looking at the stats, player qualitative skill analyis indicate our strength is not man coverage deep AND this is analysis is shared by the coaches as represented/backed up by Phillips' secondary scheme and strategy. But we have 3 secondary players - Henry, Williams and Hamlin - who would be considered aggressive at pursuing turnovers.
2. We are playing a conservative soft zone to avoid giving up the deep ball.
3. We are giving up a lot of first downs with teams completing short to mid-range passes down the field.
4. Our QB pressure has been very good indicated by our sack totals -- and has also led to incompletions, keeping QB completion percentage down.
5. A down completion percentage PLUS playing the soft zone have led to a low YPA.
6. Our INT total is superb and is a major reason the 1st down totals have not cost us more points (and games). Our INT would seem suprising because we are playing a soft zone but our Ints are a reflection of pressure, being up in games (other team passing alot) - resulting in late game picks. For example, the two picks in the GB game were pressure created.