Let’s not overrate Rams loss on run D

[buybuydandavis]

Why do people keep saying the rams game was some fluke anomaly? Except for the 2016
Season , the cowboys have given up over 200 yards rushing at least once a year going as far back as 2013.the guy whose scheme was exploited in the rams game is still coaching for the cowboys.

It was almost 100 yards more than the next high run game against us.
Last time we gave up in the 270s was 2012.
The Rams said they had figured out our tells on defense.

Statistical outlier with an explanation on the mechanism for how that outlier came to be.

So it wasn't a *fluke*. There was a *reason*.

It is considered an anomaly in that it isn't considered indicative of the quality of our players, and it *should* be unacceptable for a DC to get out prepared like that.

But if nothing changes in how our coaches coach, it *shouldn't* be considered an anomaly, it should be considered a pattern of coaching failure.

Marinelli also got pantsed in the GB playoff loss. Marinelli gonna Marinelli and get pantsed.

Is Garrett gonna Garrett and do nothing to correct Marinelli's obvious coaching failure? Since Garrett failed to notice Marinelli's abject failure in the GB loss, and never corrects his own coaching failures either, no one should expect a correction. Garrett gonna Garrett.

A lot of people are all hepped up on mortgaging the future and winning NOW.

It's a pipe dream with this coaching staff. Garrett is a gameday liability all year long. Marinelli is a game prep liability come the playoffs. It's *conceivable* they could get their heads out of their ***** tomorrow, but there's no reason to consider it remotely likely. They is what they is.

Mortgaging the future to bet on Garrett and Marinelli taking us to the promised land? Way to piss away the progress we've made building a young, quality team.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I disagree with the premise of the thread, we did lose the Rams game because we got killed in the rushing game. That really was about depth, Antwuan Woods had never played more than one game in a season and that was the 18th consecutive game he was playing. He was exhausted.

They also said Maliek Collins had a knee injury, which was why he played so poorly. If you have better depth you avoid that situation, but a big factor was the Rams had a great scheme and executed it well.

Its not about plugging in a DT that weighs more than 320. Woods is listed at 320 and he is probably a lot heavier than that.

Well, after making all of the points you just made Kaiser, wouldn't you want another young, fresh and big 320+ pounder to draft in order to play inside, or would you prefer what we have a bunch of Marinelli's undersized DTs?

 

[Legend]

You got to stop the run in the playoffs. The Cowboys need better DTs since their coaching is mediocre.

The Rams OL looked like the early 90s Cowboys... until they played the Saints and Patriots.

 

[Kaiser]

Well, after making all of the points you just made Kaiser, wouldn't you want another young, fresh and big 320+ pounder to draft in order to play inside, or would you prefer what we have a bunch of Marinelli's undersized DTs?

I think they will do exactly that, with the 2nd or 3rd round pick being a DT.

But Marinelli's guys aren't undersized, Collins and Woods were the starters and are probably both around 315 or 320. Covington is listed at 305 but he looks bigger. Its about movement skills, LVE isn't a great LB because he is 255 - he is a great LB because of all the other skills he brings to the table.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I think they will do exactly that, with the 2nd or 3rd round pick being a DT.

But Marinelli's guys aren't undersized, Collins and Woods were the starters and are probably both around 315 or 320. Covington is listed at 305 but he looks bigger. Its about movement skills, LVE isn't a great LB because he is 255 - he is a great LB because of all the other skills he brings to the table.

How did those movement skills with our current DTs help them out in the divisional playoff loss at the Rams?

Answer: they got pushed around like little bugs .

That's my point. Marinelli's inside Dline scheme and "movement skilled" DTs STINK.

 

[Brooksey]

Oh it was a whipping but that's typical of the Cowboys when they come off a big win. The Cowboys always spend too much time patting themselves on the back. But what your saying is the Rams just out muscled the Cowboys and if that were the case they would do it 9 out of 10 times . I guarantee you if they played to open the season that wouldn't happen. No NFL team has talent level with that big of a difference. It's about being prepared. Just like the Cowboys crushed the Jaguars then stink it up against the Colts. That's all coaching!

No..Colts and Rams have superior Offensive lines. It was a butt whooping first and coaching second. They have more talent on their offensive lines than we had on our defensive lines (tackles)

 

[Kaiser]

How did those movement skills with our current DTs help them out in the divisional playoff loss at the Rams?

Answer: they got pushed around like little bugs .

That's my point. Marinelli's inside Dline scheme and "movement skilled" DTs STINK.

If those DTs "stink", how did Dallas finish 5th in rushing defense last year? In that game Woods was gassed and Collins was injured. Caraun Reid was the only backup playing (or the only one that showed up in the box score).

On top of that the Rams had a great scheme and great execution, which was why we got the rushing debacle of that game.

 

[Legend]

If those DTs "stink", how did Dallas finish 5th in rushing defense last year? In that game Woods was gassed and Collins was injured. Caraun Reid was the only backup playing (or the only one that showed up in the box score).

On top of that the Rams had a great scheme and great execution, which was why we got the rushing debacle of that game.

5th in rushing D was not enough. Upgrade DTs to improve.

In 1991 playoff game, the Detroit Lions killed the Cowboys who lacked a pass rush.

The Cowboys upgraded the pass rush by trading for Charles Haley in the offseason. The 1992 Dallas Cowboys finished with the #1 D in the league and almost all teams could not run the ball against them.

 

[Kaiser]

5th in rushing D was not enough. Upgrade DTs to improve.

Totally agree, my point was they didn't stink except for that game - which was more about health than talent.

Covington is an upgrade at backup 1T. Collins should be healthy next year. Woods will be in much better condition to last all season. Its likely they draft a 3T in a few weeks. Tyrone Crawford likely moves to 3T full time as well.

Upgrade every position every year, of course. But a lot of times the upgrade comes from players getting healthy or young guys developing. Our CBs were a good example of that last year.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Does once a year mean anything? No it doesn't..

If it’s a playoff game it does!

 

[Alexander]

Does once a year mean anything? No it doesn't..

It does when it happens in the most important game of the year.

 

[Floatyworm]

That loss was all on coaching...period. We had a horrible game plan to begin with. Never adjusted. And just continued to do nothing. Someones head should have rolled after that debacle. But no...Sadly...I can see it happening again.

 

[Alexander]

That loss was all on coaching...period. We had a horrible game plan to begin with. Never adjusted. And just continued to do nothing. Someones head should have rolled after that debacle. But no...Sadly...I can see it happening again.

I would love to be a fly on the wall after that. It was pretty clear that we prepared like the Rams were going to be throwing the ball extensively and especially to Gurley. No idea where they got that conclusion based on how the Rams finished the season.

 

[DuncanIso]

5th in rushing D was not enough. Upgrade DTs to improve.

In 1991 playoff game, the Detroit Lions killed the Cowboys who lacked a pass rush.

The Cowboys upgraded the pass rush by trading for Charles Haley in the offseason. The 1992 Dallas Cowboys finished with the #1 D in the league and almost all teams could not run the ball against them.

I remember that Lions game.

Dallas kept playing off man coverage on the outside the entire game.

Stubborn.

They never switched to press coverage.

 

[DuncanIso]

I thought you would do the smart thing and say that they lost in other ways besides run defense, instead you kinda seem to be looking for a bright spot from an embarrassing loss.

Rod Marinelli should have been fired after the Rams game.

It was a disaster for the defense.

Instead of quitting, which most people would have done, he gets angry with a reporter who asks him if he is retiring.

The entire time, Marinelli never said the one thing that ALL good managers do....

IT WAS MY FAULT.

 

[Johnny23]

In our last four playoff games qe've allowed less than 100 rushing yards in 3 of them.
The only outlier? Rams game in which two of our starters had torn labrums.

We still getting our butts kicked at the LOS. We need more than run stuffers we need interior dlinemen who are buttkickers and don't get destroyed in big games.

 

[Johnny23]

The same results being a top 5 run defense? I didn’t make up the stats. They are what they are. People just pretend that NO, SEA games did not happen.

Not true. People just are tired of seeing Dallas get beatdown in the trenches the same exact way since Super Bowl 30.

 

[camaro69]

Guess I should create more topics lol. The Rams basically copied what the Colts did to us; which is great coaching. If Kris and company had copied what the rest of the NFL had did to the Rams offense during the second half of the season we likely would have won. DT's not a problem at all; if anything it was LVE not getting to his spots....but IMO you can't be in the game and make no changes when a team's back up over weight RB is slicing and dicing through the D like Edward Scissor Hands in his prime.

We have a WINNER here. Every team we play will watch that film and try and duplicate it. I know it's coming, you know it's coming. But I bet Hotrod doesn't have a clue. Rod is an old fashion coach set in his ways. The 3 tech is key to his DL and that's what were looking at in this draft. could we use a better 3T yes but that's not why we got steam rolled in LA. Out schemed and out coached

 

[camaro69]

We still getting our butts kicked at the LOS. We need more than run stuffers we need interior dlinemen who are buttkickers and don't get destroyed in big games.

This saying is as old as I am ( games are win and lost in the trenches ).Just once can we get a first rd talent on our DL . As a fan base we have been asking for the same two position forever DL, FS or SS in the in rd 1

 

[Brooksey]

The Rams run game was not innovative, we weren't out schemed we were beaten badly in the trenches and too stubborn to adjust. In fact the power game the Rams used to beat us is about 100 years old, using inside traps and dives. They beat us with Vanilla, man on man.

We needed to bring more run support because their guys were beating our guys and "we never did".
We did a poor job coaching in that aspect