Lets face it - Jones is now the new coach

[goshan]

It obvious.
Wade or Norv. Both of these guys are Milk Toast.
Jones is now the head coach.

Players like TO won't have any respect for either one.
Jerry will call all the shots.

 

[UncleOscar]

How does that old song go:

"Meet the new boss,
same as the old boss,
we won't be fooled again"

 

[superpunk]

Here's to taking Troy Smith in round 1. Thank gawd Parcells hung it up.

 

[CactusCowboy]

It obvious.
Wade or Norv. Both of these guys are Milk Toast.
Jones is now the head coach.

Players like TO won't have any respect for either one.
Jerry will call all the shots.

You must really hate your life dude. Always negative. Sad.

 

[Hostile]

How does that old song go:

"Meet the new boss,
same as the old boss,
we won't be fooled again"

to the forum. Hope you enjoy it here.




On the thread theme, I completely disagree. There's no evidence to say Jerry of 2007 is the same as Jerry of 1994. None at all. This man is leaving no stone unturned. He's trying to interview every possible candidate.

Bowles
Haley
Sparano
Garrett
Phillips


Still to come
Turner
Gibbs
Rex Ryan


He may expand it beyond that too. We have no idea if he wants to interview Jim Caldwell or Ron Rivera yet, because he can't. He may still talk to Dan Reeves. We don't know. Jim Bates name has been mentioned and so has Jim Mora Jr's.

What we do know is that franchises are pulling candidates off the table as soon as it is rumored he might be interested. Fisher in Tennessee and Lovie Smith in Chicago.

Coaches are even contacting him or letting it be known they are interested. For instance Les Miles from LSU and Jack Del Rio at Jacksonville.


The crux of all of this is that Jerry's coaching search is more thorough than any other team that had to replace its Head Coach this off season. To me that says he is looking to do what is best for the team. Not that he is back to his meddling ways. I think that is such a reach it's not funny and it is born entirely out of spite. The man learned from his mistakes and moved on.

Now, some can argue that other teams had better candidates than we have left because they were all gone. I think that is debatable and not Jerry's fault. The man did everything he could to retain Bill Parcells. Even offered him 2 or 3 more years and more money. The last thing in the world Jerry Jones wanted was to be doing what he is doing now.

Cut the man some slack, he's doing a good job. Oh I know if he hires someone that the posters don't approve of he's going to get skewered. Hell, no matter who he chooses someone is going to be pissed. They like someone else better and they know more than he does without ever being in that interview room with him and Bill Parcells.

I'm fully aware that no one he chooses is going to please everyone. The one guy he already did choose is universally praised throughout NFL circles and the whining in here was at epic proportions. Oh the Madden GMs know so much more than the NFL circles.

You could at least have the brains in your head to realize he's giving it the most honest effort of any team in this position this year. By far...

If you're honest that is. Name one other team that interviewed 7 to 10 candidates.


~crickets~

Yeah, thought so. On with the whining.

 

[fortdick]

Jerruh may be calling the shots, but he won't be on the field teacjing. He won't be calling the plays or the defense. It won't be any different than when Jimmy was here. And you have to admit, giving up control to a head coach did not so a thing to convince Jerruh that that was the wy to go.

Parcells screwed the pooch in his tie here. He bought the groceries and ran the show. He was barely .500. Jerruh has Stephen and Ireland to help him, and after all, he ain't Al Davis or Danny Snyder!

 

[superpunk]

There's a chance Jerry has learned, and is a new man, but we won't know until he gets that new coach in here. It makes sense to be skeptical considering his previous track record. He ran the team into the ground, despite his early success, and that's not easily forgotten. Maybe Parcells was a good, lasting influence on him. Maybe now he sees what the coach-owner relationship is supposed to be like, because Parcells has nothing but great things to say about hi time here with jerry and Stephen. But I think alot of people, including myself, are going to be skeptical of just how much he's learned considering the meek nature of the coaches he is rumored to be considering, and interviewing.

For Hos, the Raiders interviewed as many, if not more coaches than we have thus far. Marc Trestman, Josh McDaniels, Kiffin, Sarkisian, Dennis Green, James Lofton, Jim Fassel, and that's just outside their current staff that I know of. I don't know about Arizona.

 

[Hostile]

There's a chance Jerry has learned, and is a new man, but we won't know until he gets that new coach in here. It makes sense to be skeptical considering his previous track record. He ran the team into the ground, despite his early success, and that's not easily forgotten. Maybe Parcells was a good, lasting influence on him. Maybe now he sees what the coach-owner relationship is supposed to be like, because Parcells has nothing but great things to say about hi time here with jerry and Stephen. But I think alot of people, including myself, are going to be skeptical of just how much he's learned considering the meek nature of the coaches he is rumored to be considering, and interviewing.

For Hos, the Raiders interviewed as many, if not more coaches than we have thus far. Marc Trestman, Josh McDaniels, Kiffin, Sarkisian, Dennis Green, James Lofton, Jim Fassel, and that's just outside their current staff that I know of. I don't know about Arizona.

The key words are right there in bold. People act like Jerry is in an all fired rush to find a puppet. I don't see it. He's taking his time, conducting a good search and I think better candidates than those you just listed. But hey, that's just me.

 

[superpunk]

The key words are right there in bold. People act like Jerry is in an all fired rush to find a puppet. I don't see it. He's taking his time, conducting a god search and I think better candidates than those you just listed. But hey, that's just me.

It's abundantly clear he's in no rush at all, although I think a decision will be made by, and announced on Monday. For the Raiders, Al took a long time, long interviews, through alot of candidates (7 listed that I can remember, and that doesn't count the guys in house) so there are other owners that do the same. It's also another owner who is derided for his stance with football operations, IMO undeservedly. I think Al Davis and Jerry Jones are both very shrewd men, who learn from their mistakes, and that's how they are so successful.

Of the leading candidates so far, of whom, we have looked at 3 outside the organization, I'm not worried so much about Jerry going back to being "Jerry" on them. What I'm more worried about is their reputation with players. Neither is an exceptional handler of players, Norv has a reputation as a players coach and I believe Wade has a repuation for allowing his teams to get lazy. Considering the combustible nature of one WR on this team, the angst they experienced late in the year, and the assertions from people in the "know" that some of our players are lazy, these don't seem like two crackerjack candidates to me. My greatest hope is that Jerry is waiting until after the super bowl to announce that he's hired Ron Rivera. It's not a great fit for our team, and our defense, but it's better than Norv or Wade.

 

[Hostile]

It's abundantly clear he's in no rush at all, although I think a decision will be made by, and announced on Monday. For the Raiders, Al took a long time, long interviews, through alot of candidates (7 listed that I can remember, and that doesn't count the guys in house) so there are other owners that do the same. It's also another owner who is derided for his stance with football operations, IMO undeservedly. I think Al Davis and Jerry Jones are both very shrewd men, who learn from their mistakes, and that's how they are so successful.

Of the leading candidates so far, of whom, we have looked at 3 outside the organization, I'm not worried so much about Jerry going back to being "Jerry" on them. What I'm more worried about is their reputation with players. Neither is an exceptional handler of players, Norv has a reputation as a players coach and I believe Wade has a repuation for allowing his teams to get lazy. Considering the combustible nature of one WR on this team, the angst they experienced late in the year, and the assertions from people in the "know" that some of our players are lazy, these don't seem like two crackerjack candidates to me. My greatest hope is that Jerry is waiting until after the super bowl to announce that he's hired Ron Rivera. It's not a great fit for our team, and our defense, but it's better than Norv or Wade.

I want Cowher, but it isn't happening. I know that.

Rivera is my choice too over the other guys. But I am fully on board Jason Garrett. That was the hiring that excited me most. Whomever he brings in as Head Coach at this point isn't going to matter so much to me that I can't get behind it. I'm being honest, Jerry got a coup in getting Garrett and we will all be assured of that in 2007. I honestly believe that.

 

[superpunk]

I want Cowher, but it isn't happening. I know that.

Rivera is my choice too over the other guys. But I am fully on board Jason Garrett. That was the hiring that excited me most. Whomever he brings in as Head Coach at this point isn't going to matter so much to me that I can't get behind it. I'm being honest, Jerry got a coup in getting Garrett and we will all be assured of that in 2007. I honestly believe that.

I'd like to be crazy excited about Garrett. He's like my generation's Clint Longley, only better because he was around so long. I never understood why, but they'd seemingly always show the guy on broadcasts standing there with the headphones. The only trouble I have with getting excited is, I have no tangible reason to get excited. The consensus is that he's a brilliant football guy. OK. That's nice. So are alot of people.

Why are you excited about him - specifically - why should I GET excited about him? I don't know. My wife's a Dolphins fan. Culpepper was worse than ever and Harrington (in a system that worked for him) was slightly better than crap. I don't judge position coaches really on their unit's performance, because let's be honest, Culpepper and Harrington really are crap - so there's not much to be accomplished there. Plus, I have examples on our team, ie Sparano, wherein the unit was atrocious because of circumstances beyond his control, he is promoted, and he's fantastic as an offensive guy.

In addition, I am not interested in doing this bizarre HC in waiting scenario. For my aprt, if I was Wade or Norv, why would I want to come here to be replaced by Garrett? Nope, if Garrett is GOING to be the head coach, just go ahead and make him the head coach now, and commit to that long-term. No reason to draw it out and waste time.

 

[notherbob]

Lots of good dialogue running around this thread.

I'm in no hurry for a new coach.

I would prefer to think the choice is part of an ongoing plan that extends into the future and choices are made not only for now but for where this franchise is headed in the owner's plans. In short, I think it should be not a stand alone selection but a link in a chain, designed to fit neatly into what's next in the plan.

Whatever his choice, I just want to see good football and I haven't seen the Cowboys play much of it late in the years lately. He'd better pick some winners if he wants to put 80,000 butts in seats in a couple of years.

It may come down to a choice between whether he wants to coach or to win the most. If he wants to sell 80K tickets , he needs to let the team win and not hinder that process. The real question is will his ego let him?

JMO

 

[Chuck 54]

It obvious.
Wade or Norv. Both of these guys are Milk Toast.
Jones is now the head coach.

Players like TO won't have any respect for either one.
Jerry will call all the shots.

Ridiculous....there's not another candidate out there with the NFL experience and head coaching experience that these two guys have...Norv has SB rings...Phillips runs a tight defense and has a winning record as a HC with playoffs in more of his years than not.

TO doesn't respect anyone...if he won't respect these two NFL men, name me one guy he would respect.

 

[superpunk]

I'm in no hurry for a new coach.

Nope. HC is a HUGE decision, because that's the guy you're entrusting the future, direction, and face of your franchise to. more than any other position on the team, except maybe QB, the HC represents the team. I don't understand why they're not paid more, frankly. We need to take our time. I really wish Parcells could have handled one more year, because I have a feeling Fisher might not sign that extension on the table in Tennessee if that had happened. Fisher would have been my choice numero uno.

Whatever his choice, I just want to see good football and I haven't seen the Cowboys play much of it late in the years lately. He'd better pick some winners if he wants to put 80,000 butts in seats in a couple of years.

We're suckers for the Cowboys. You know we'll show up to that palace regardless.

But it would be alot better if we were filling it to watch a winner. If Jerry's looking for that young guy - I say get him now. Stick with him and be patient. That's how Cowher achieved long term success no matter that the Rooney's area little stingy with paying the players. The system Cowher had works, and he had players just coming through filling in for whoever left, because there was so much continuity. He and bellichick have the closest thing to the old days going now - only without the star players filling out those rotations. But it's the same principle.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Players like TO won't have any respect for either one.

Please make a list of the people TO does respect. I'll even start by saying his grand mother.

 

[superpunk]

Please make a list of the people TO does respect. I'll even start by saying his grand mother.

Thanks alot.

You started and ended the list.

 

[jazzcat22]

It obvious.
Wade or Norv. Both of these guys are Milk Toast.
Jones is now the head coach.

Players like TO won't have any respect for either one.
Jerry will call all the shots.

This is why I do not talk politics, religion or sports in bars......

Well, actually I do talk sports, but bail out when this stuff comes up. It's pointless.

 

[hank2k]

to the forum. Hope you enjoy it here.




On the thread theme, I completely disagree. There's no evidence to say Jerry of 2007 is the same as Jerry of 1994. None at all. This man is leaving no stone unturned. He's trying to interview every possible candidate.

Bowles
Haley
Sparano
Garrett
Phillips
.

By 'every possible candidate" you mean 5 guys who no one else has interviewed for the Head Coach position, with a 6th ( Turner) coming soon. The Dolphins, Cards, Raiders ,Steelers, all picked new coaches and interviewed numerous candidates and Jerry hasnt interviewed ONE guy any of these teams interviewed. Have Norm Chow, Russ Grimm, Jim Mora Jr, Mike Martz, etc been in ? I must have missed it.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Ridiculous....there's not another candidate out there with the NFL experience and head coaching experience that these two guys have...Norv has SB rings...Phillips runs a tight defense and has a winning record as a HC with playoffs in more of his years than not.

How many Super Bowl rings does Norv have as a head coach???

If you want to use your flawed logic, then I can throw out that Campo has more Super Bowl rings than Norv...and how did that turn out?

 

[Royal Laegotti]

Please make a list of the people TO does respect. I'll even start by saying his grand mother.

Ain't that the truth, that's why I don't want him on the Cowboys, talent aside.