Lets get one thing straight right now

[The30YardSlant]

Then I guess you don't understand this thread. We are a 3-4 team not a 4-3 team. People are holding hope that BP will go back to the 4-3 as our BASE defense. the 4-3 may be used as a situational D, but not as our BASE D. My statement earlier was also in the NICKLE Ware is not playing OLB, he is now playing DE with Dat and KB as the only LBS. Are you up to speed now? I know its complicated but not rocket science. Also my response to you was, just because its a 4 man front doesn't mean it automatically a 4-3. Keep up. Oh yeah, move on SON!

Are we a 3-4 team? Yes

Will we never use the 4-3? Of course we will, BP himself says this daily. We Ware is a down lineman, that is the 4-3.

I think it is you who needs to "move on" as this sunject metter is simply throwing you for a spin.

 

[50cent]

3-4 base, 4-3 situational. If Ware is being used as a DL, who replaces him as the LB? If you can find this subject in anyones post on this topic feel free to provide it for me to see. I think your reading skills have failed you, SON! Nors is pretty much the only one that understood the original meaning of the thread along with BZ! Move on, I'm done with you.

 

[Kilyin]

I don't get this thread? I'm not the one saying a four man front and 3 LBs isnt the 4-3.

No, but Parcells is.

Excerpt from Press Conference Recap (credit to InmanRoshi)

4-3 this morning.
I wouldn’t call it a 4-3, we were practicing more 4 down linemen. I told you all along what would happen. Quite frankly, I’m trying to decide .. This is hypothetical. I know my nickel is between 33 and 40% of the defense. I’m trying to decide on the other 60% whether I’m going to be 30%/30%. 50%/10%. 40%/20%. All the through process going into this is trying to keep my highest quality player in the game for what I think is workable for that player. It involves Glover, Ellis, Ferguson, Canty. We did play a little 4 man front in the game, and you’ll see more of that this week. One of the things that hurts me a little bit is Fergie and Spears aren’t out there.

If its not 4-3 what do you call it?
Well, in terms of deployment there are 4 linemen in the game, but its not a 4-3 principle defense. What we’re trying to in the 4 man front is keep carry over from the 3 man front, but we just move one guy down. So three guys use the same technique, and one guy has to adjust. That makes it so that we don’t have to do much adjustment, but the opponent does. The other night we were a very, very high percentage fo 3 man front. We played the nickel a little bit.

4 man front does Canty play tackle?
He could play on the guard, yes. Fergie should be ready pretty soon.

 

[jimmy40]

This years Dallas Cowboys team is a 3-4 base defensive team. Stop trying to figure out if BP will go back to the 4-3, it won't happen. You don't use a #11 pick on a 3-4 OLB and a #20 on the proto DE, just to revert back to the 4-3. Its simple to figure out. BP has always stated that he will get his best players on the field. His concession to Glover and Ellis is the 4 man front, not the 4-3. We are actually still in the 3-4 with Ware in the game and a 4 man front, because he can drop into coverage which is highly unlikely.

He has gone on and on for several weeks that Coleman is a much different player in the 3-4 and we all know what Spears was brought in here for. Stop trying to convince yourself that BP might go back to the 4-3. It ain't happenin captain. The 4 man front is our nickle defense and that all. We only implore 2 LBs with the 4 man front (Dat/Burnett). Ware then turns into a DE along with Ellis and Glover goes back to his natural DT. Fergy may or may not be on the field, but I would venture to say that Canty and Spears will replace Fergy on the inside on passing downs in many nickle situations. BP has easily fooled some of you and you should be ashamed.

Doesn't matter if we play defense at all if our offensive line can't give Bledsoe all day to throw.

 

[Hostile]

Like I said it was worth a lot more than fitty cent.I'm about to blow a gasket on this Romo/Henson deal. It's worse than a freakin' Presidential race.

Post of the day. For sheer truth.

 

[50cent]

No, but Parcells is.

Excerpt from Press Conference Recap (credit to InmanRoshi)

Wow! Someone else understood what BP was talking about in the PC. Mind-blowin! Do you think HH31 can comprehend this type of stuff now? Its amazing how people see what they want when BP boldly states what he is thinking. HH31 has official been adopted by me, 50cent. My new son!

 

[Kilyin]

Wow! Someone else understood what BP was talking about in the PC. Mind-blowin! Do you think HH31 can comprehend this type of stuff now? Its amazing how people see what they want when BP boldly states what he is thinking. HH31 has official been adopted by me, 50cent. My new son!

He's a lil slow, you gotta break stuff down into monosyllabic words for him.

 

[junk]

Yeah and a four man front isn't the

4-3! I didn't say they wouldn't use the 4 man front, please read more carefully!

Your quote:

The 4 man front is our nickle defense and that all.

Which doesn't appear to be true according to Parcell's press conference.

Maybe you should read what you write before blasting people.

 

[50cent]

Your quote:



Which doesn't appear to be true according to Parcell's press conference.

Maybe you should read what you write before blasting people.

Well let me break this down to you! The first quote you used was in response to him coming off as the 4 man front BEING THE 4-3! The 4 man front is not the automatically a 4-3. As for the second quote, it what I've seen so far in games and in practice. I go by what I see. When we have used the 4 man front, its only with 2 LBs. Now BZ stated that we used the 4-3 in the short yeard situations and I'm denying BZ, but I just haven'e seen it yet? Maybe we have. As for you interjecting your opinion on this matter between HH31 and myself, go back and read the entire thread. I stated what my man just posted from Ishman. BP doesn't consider it the 4-3 as I stated.

 

[50cent]

He's a lil slow, you gotta break stuff down into monosyllabic words for him.

Tried to, he just couldn't keep up! Some people like drag and HH31 don't get. I really couldn't believe dragon doesn't consider our season lost if Ware, Spears, Fergy and Burnett are lost for the season (knock on wood). He stated, that its only 3-4 players and not the entire team. If they are gone, we are pretty much back to last seasons team, which only won 6 games, if my memory serves me correct(BP).

 

[junk]

Well let me break this down to you! The first quote you used was in response to him coming off as the 4 man front BEING THE 4-3! The 4 man front is not the automatically a 4-3. As for the second quote, it what I've seen so far in games and in practice. I go by what I see. When we have used the 4 man front, its only with 2 LBs. Now BZ stated that we used the 4-3 in the short yeard situations and I'm denying BZ, but I just haven'e seen it yet? Maybe we have. As for you interjecting your opinion on this matter between HH31 and myself, go back and read the entire thread. I stated what my man just posted from Ishman. BP doesn't consider it the 4-3 as I stated.

I did read the thread and I saw contradicting statements coming from you.

There will be four man fronts that aren't nickel. Parcells talked about this in his press conference.

 

[50cent]

ok ok, it may just be our dime package! You happy, keep searching for straws and comment on the origin of the original post. Its about the base defense, son! Not about the 4 man fronts and what the name of that package is called. Move on, your done here!

 

[silver]

Its all 3-4 now. We will flash some 4-3

Ferguson and Spears will be back. Canty is a 3-4 stud. Coleman and Ogs will prosper in 3-4.

Ware and Burnett as our OLB's on the edge. Roy at SS. SPRINKLE IN dat, SHANLE, fOWLER INSIDE AND WE ARE READY TO ROCK!

James better step up

no db's?

that's 11 guys and only one db

 

[Jack-Reacher]

This is my first post to this forum, and what a topic I chose to wade in on.. J I have no desire to jump on to the flame train, but I think that there might be a misconception about the realities of the 3-4 vs. the 4-3. It is obvious that the major difference is in the number of down lineman and linebackers, but the philosophy is where the real difference lies.



How many of you remember when BP first arrived in Dallas and made the comment that the linebacking core as a unit was too small? Big D defense had, primarily been based on speed and not size. In the 3-4 your outside linebackers need to be almost DE in size. The theory is on running downs with your 3 mammoth down lineman and 2 large outside LB’s you in essence end up with 5 down lineman against the run. Since many teams in the NFL employ a run, run, pass play-calling scheme the 3-4 is very effective in this regard.



BP’s move to a 3-4 base, and make no mistake he has moved to a 3-4 base centered around not only drafting Ware and Spears but tightening up the secondary as well. The corners have to be solid for the 3-4 to be successful. From a personnel standpoint this season, the entire defense as a unit looks bigger and different. BP has the personnel in place this year for the 3-4. When Bill says he will use a 4-man front because he wants to get his best players on the field this doesn’t translate into a 4-3 defense. The players manning the positions will be designed for a 3-4 offense.



I am excited about this year’s defense and I believe it will be the difference in the season. A solid defense and a good offense had propelled many teams straight to the big game. BP has an impressive track record with defenses, I have to defer to his knowledge of the game and trust that however he lines them up, it will be a dominant defense.



The only other comment I want to make is the one about losing Ferguson, Spears, Ware and hell pick someone else it doesn’t matter, the season would indeed suffer. How Tired were Ellis and Glover last season in the 4th quarter? This is the best rotation we have had on the DL in Dallas in a long, long time. A fresh Ellis and Glover in 4th? Canty and Ware with Gas left in their tank at the end of the game. Spears and Ferguson still game ready in the second half. I wouldn’t want to be an offensive coordinator designing my game plan around that much depth.



Jon

 

[deadrody]

Then I guess you don't understand this thread. We are a 3-4 team not a 4-3 team. People are holding hope that BP will go back to the 4-3 as our BASE defense. the 4-3 may be used as a situational D, but not as our BASE D. My statement earlier was also in the NICKLE Ware is not playing OLB, he is now playing DE with Dat and KB as the only LBS. Are you up to speed now? I know its complicated but not rocket science. Also my response to you was, just because its a 4 man front doesn't mean it automatically a 4-3. Keep up. Oh yeah, move on SON!

Guys, here's a hint for you: You're all full on crazy, and that's being nice. And that conclusion is based on many things.

"We are a 3-4 team not a 4-3 team"

Yeah, ok. Thanks for the decree from on high after one preseason game. I don't care one way or the other, but I am really getting sick of all these know-it-all decrees.

And the whole "son" act is pretty juvenile. Maybe you could just honor the request when someone asks you to stop. Seems to me they don't consider you a buddy or a pal so even your explanation is disingenuous.

 

[playit12]

This was discussed already in a few threads that died an untimely death.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31858

and

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31686

I think many many people on this board don't understand what Parcells was saying.

It seems like everyone thinks that 4 down linemen is always the same and is dramatically different then having 3 down linemen. It can be very different or it can be very very similar if the only difference is pulling up your rush linebacker and putting his hand on the ground. That is, when there is no line shift by the other three down linemen.

I've been trying to get someone who watched camp to comment on what specifically we have used.. but other than BP's press conference line I don't have anything to go on just yet.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Welcome to the Zone Jon.

Thanks for the post. It was a good read.

Keep 'em coming.

 

[Verdict]

Thank you, thank you very much!!! I'll be here all week!

Knights's Tale?

 

[aikemirv]

This was discussed already in a few threads that died an untimely death.

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31858

and

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31686

I think many many people on this board don't understand what Parcells was saying.

It seems like everyone thinks that 4 down linemen is always the same and is dramatically different then having 3 down linemen. It can be very different or it can be very very similar if the only difference is pulling up your rush linebacker and putting his hand on the ground. That is, when there is no line shift by the other three down linemen.

I've been trying to get someone who watched camp to comment on what specifically we have used.. but other than BP's press conference line I don't have anything to go on just yet.

On this board the discussion about 4-3 or 3-4 has been about the scheme vs the players and a lot of the 4-3 advocates have been saying that the players are more important than the scheme.

Also that at this point we have better lineman than LB's thus the question why switch to a 3-4.

Know, don't you know it, 2 weeks into camp BP is tyrying to figure out how to a combination of the 3-4 with having 4 down lineman and Glover not standing beside him. Who would of thunk it. Kind of justify's what a lot of people have been saying doesn't it.

So when all of you 3-4 people think about saying "I told you so - you might better think again, while it may be the 3-4 - our best players (4 DL) will be oin the field a lot!