Let's put the Jerry as the excuse on players not performing to bed

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Former Dallas Cowboys scout Larry Lacewell was recently on The Dallas Cowboys Show. Here are some highlights:

On if he gets in heated discussions about players with Jerry Jones:

“Yes we do. Everybody thinks Jerry makes decisions off the top of his head. That’s wrong. Jerry listens to everybody. He listens to a group of people like the scouting department and coaches. He really does. Then, he has to make the final decision. He doesn’t just say well, we’ll take (DeMarcus) Ware. He had to fight Bill Parcells on taking Ware. Bill didn’t want Ware. Things like that are his final decisions.”

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ll-parcells-before-drafting-demarcus-ware.ece




Everyone participates in a decision process.
 
CCBoy;4672280 said:
Former Dallas Cowboys scout Larry Lacewell was recently on The Dallas Cowboys Show. Here are some highlights:

On if he gets in heated discussions about players with Jerry Jones:

“Yes we do. Everybody thinks Jerry makes decisions off the top of his head. That’s wrong. Jerry listens to everybody. He listens to a group of people like the scouting department and coaches. He really does. Then, he has to make the final decision. He doesn’t just say well, we’ll take (DeMarcus) Ware. He had to fight Bill Parcells on taking Ware. Bill didn’t want Ware. Things like that are his final decisions.”

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ll-parcells-before-drafting-demarcus-ware.ece




Everyone participates in a decision process.



So you claim it is not Jerruh that makes the final decision?
 
Jerry has some homeruns and some misses. Ware being the biggest homerun and Roy Williams being the biggest miss.

The truth is that Jerry got us Ware when Good Ol Bill didn't want him.
 
burmafrd;4672288 said:
So you claim it is not Jerruh that makes the final decision?

Burm, all seriousness aside, as all you do is attempt to throw crap at Jerry...and then at anyone at least being objective on aspects of development.

Alright, if crap tossing is your game...YEA, DeMarcus Ware achieving the Hall of Fame pretty well shows that he LISTENS to the people giving HIM imput!!

Now PROVE that WASN'T the case....smart guy!!

And it is cheating if YOU DON'T start with the validation in the Ware Case...as you always claim cherry picker's association membership.
 
I don't doubt Jerry attempts to make a logical decision. I do have concerns about some of his advisers.
 
Don't think anyone blames Jerry for players not performing. More that they blame Jerry for paying players who don't perform. Leaving certain areas of the team in shambles (OL) for almost a decade comes to mind as well.
 
Kilyin;4672311 said:
Don't think anyone blames Jerry for players not performing. More that they blame Jerry for paying players who don't perform. Leaving certain areas of the team in shambles (OL) for almost a decade comes to mind as well.

Come on now. The OL has been a mess, but for a whole decade?
 
jjktkk;4672320 said:
Come on now. The OL has been a mess, but for a whole decade?

Pretty much. Some people think our OL was good when we went 13-3. I disagree, they folded like a house of cards in the playoffs. When is the last time you can say we've had a truly dominant, cohesive OL? It's been a long time. Jerry has been trying to play the "just good enough" game with the trenches while trading for bums like Roy Williams for far too long.
 
Let me start by saying I like Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, but I believe his heart is in the right place.

That said, you can have the smartest CEO on the planet running your company and if your company is performing poorly, right or wrong, the CEO gets the blame. There are a lot of team owners that have to sign off on signing or releasing players though most of them don't make as much noise about it as Jerry does. This has less to do with professionalism than it does with the owners not wanting to take the blame or heat with fans and the media for failed decisions. Jerry knows that when he makes a bad decision, he will take heat over it. In fact, Jerry knows he will take heat at the mere speculation a decision was bad well before anyone even knows how it will work out. He knows this and accepts it as part of the price for the type of owner he is.

People in Jerry's position do not walk around making decisions like we fans would. He has surrounded himself with a lot of intelligent and high skilled people and they help shape the decisions he makes. In the end, it is his decision though and because he makes it known it was his decision, he makes himself a justifiable target for criticism

Jerry wants to win badly. No one can doubt that. But Jerry also wants to the get the credit for doing it which is what annoys a lot of people. Jerry wanted to prove he knew what to do when he took over the team and despite the anger over the Landry firing and the horrible first couple of years, he was able to achieve big success in a short period of time. As such, he got a chance to thumb his nose at those who doubted him. It was never more clear than when he made the famous "500 coaches" comment.

Despite everything that has happened in the last 16 years, Jerry knows two things that will never change. He knows that no matter how frustrated fans get watching the Cowboys, most of them will never stop rooting for and supporting them and he also knows when the Cowboys finally do win a Super Bowl again, a lot of people will say they did it in spite of Jerry. If he can live with that, then I guess I can too.

#reality
 
The best thing that Parcells did for the Cowboys was to fire Larry Lacewell.
 
Kilyin;4672311 said:
Don't think anyone blames Jerry for players not performing. More that they blame Jerry for paying players who don't perform. Leaving certain areas of the team in shambles (OL) for almost a decade comes to mind as well.

Exactly!
 
Reality;4672337 said:
Let me start by saying I like Jerry Jones. I don't think he's perfect, but I believe his heart is in the right place.

That said, you can have the smartest CEO on the planet running your company and if your company is performing poorly, right or wrong, the CEO gets the blame. There are a lot of team owners that have to sign off on signing or releasing players though most of them don't make as much noise about it as Jerry does. This has less to do with professionalism than it does with the owners not wanting to take the blame or heat with fans and the media for failed decisions. Jerry knows that when he makes a bad decision, he will take heat over it. In fact, Jerry knows he will take heat at the mere speculation a decision was bad well before anyone even knows how it will work out. He knows this and accepts it as part of the price for the type of owner he is.

People in Jerry's position do not walk around making decisions like we fans would. He has surrounded himself with a lot of intelligent and high skilled people and they help shape the decisions he makes. In the end, it is his decision though and because he makes it known it was his decision, he makes himself a justifiable target for criticism

Jerry wants to win badly. No one can doubt that. But Jerry also wants to the get the credit for doing it which is what annoys a lot of people. Jerry wanted to prove he knew what to do when he took over the team and despite the anger over the Landry firing and the horrible first couple of years, he was able to achieve big success in a short period of time. As such, he got a chance to thumb his nose at those who doubted him. It was never more clear than when he made the famous "500 coaches" comment.

Despite everything that has happened in the last 16 years, Jerry knows two things that will never change. He knows that no matter how frustrated fans get watching the Cowboys, most of them will never stop rooting for and supporting them and he also knows when the Cowboys finally do win a Super Bowl again, a lot of people will say they did it in spite of Jerry. If he can live with that, then I guess I can too.

#reality

This is a fair and accurate post. I give Jerry credit for Ware , but he also gets the credit for Quincy Carter. Jerry swings for the fences, which leads to a lot of strikeouts. Some of his little mistakes tick me off the most such as turning down a mid-round draft pick for Choice only to cut him a week later. The contract extension for Ratt is another questionable move. There are many different situations that could only be called failures, that was directly caused by him. There is no doubt that he wants to win. He just doesn't know how.
 
Howardlittleton64;4672350 said:
Yeah pretty much.

Good point. The trenches are not a priority for this team, and haven't been since Jimmy was calling the shots.
 
jnday;4672383 said:
Good point. The trenches have not been a priority for this team, and haven't been since Jimmy was calling the shots.

Fify.
 
Kilyin;4672311 said:
Don't think anyone blames Jerry for players not performing. More that they blame Jerry for paying players who don't perform. Leaving certain areas of the team in shambles (OL) for almost a decade comes to mind as well.

Wait, wasn't Bill Parcells around for like a negotiated contract for five years? All credit for the large number of good players has been allocated to him...not Jerry. Point One.

What's the excuse line here?

Point Two, the team also had a pretty fair line at one point not long ago:

Flozell Adams, Kyle Kosier (with fresh legs), Andre Gurode (before his legs went out), Leonard Davis (still mobile, and hostile), and Marc Colombo (able to deliver a blow to anyone)

Only burma would state that was a poor line, and then turn around and give Bill Parcells full credit for it.

Point Three, your line of reasoning has now been disproven...as to NO quality in the offensive line.

Point Four, that entire line got old at about the same time...within a three year period of time.

That required a transition, due to the player needs, lockout, and additional fines by the NFL this season, i.e. cap limitations with the other positional needs.

Point Five, unless one's memory is borderline senile, the 2011 draft WAS a heavy offensive line draft. Smith, Arkin, and Nagy were all selected during that draft.

Smith has, similar to DeMarcus Ware, Hall of Fame talent. Wait, what coach gets credit for him?

Point Six, it doesn't matter who....WHO GETS the credit for a player. That is a convenience to say arguments without considerations of trends and real field problems. That amounts to excuse hunting to pad someone's mood and own angers.

Point Seven, the team has accumulated quite a listing of very strong players:

Tony Romo
Dez Bryant
Miles Austin
Jason Witten
Demarcus Murray
Tyron Smith
Brandon Carr
Morris Claiborne
Sean Lee
Jay Ratliff

That's a hell of a group of 'star' players...ooops, where WAS my head at?

Maybe the hate attitude is the real way to go, and Jerry JUST goes for the star and the expense at all other positions.

Except for the two 'ugglies' on the list, Smith and Ratliff, I see the truth now, heck, being Jerry, he should rush off and trade for all interior linemen for both sides of the ball.

I get it now, Jerry should JUST drop all in the 2011 and 2012 drafts, and demand from the NFL that a redraft HAS to be conducted for HIS team. The fans for the Cowboys have 'revolted' and they MUST be quieted. The smell of tar and feathers is getting atrocious. The burn barrel's smoke is choking.

They have now determined there has been no credable people taken on the offensive line and they want to tar and feather Jerry, and anyone showing actual logic as to issues.

Never mind that Dallas has done due dilligence, even with Practice Squad additions, and developed a long and continuous source of NFL productive players from their own non-drafted source. This list including: Tony Romo, Miles Austin, Stephen Bowen, Kevin Kowalski, Phil Costa, and Jermey Parnell.

Wait - Costa, Kowalski, and Parnell all come from that lowly, ingenious source.

Instead of starting off three years ago, and adding 'star' players in Dez Bryant, Sean Lee, and Murray. Follow that with an offensive lineman draft in 2011, which included Bruce Carter. And then the 2012, focused on developing up a disfunctional defense with strong contributors. Even adding a WR Choate, and TE Hanna as well.

Yea, rush out to the crapper and yell at Jerry to quit being all full of himself...

I can see the 'real' genius here, you want Jerry to now, do what all of you loathe, and make some changes...go it.

I compose a memo right now, and send it to Jerry personally:

Dear, not so Sir,

We have observed the cause of your crotch itch. You have accumulated too many stars in your boxers. We are TIRED of this. What we TRUELY want is a lot of STAR linemen....really ATTRACTIVE BIG UGLIES!

We hereby authorize and demand, that you herewith trade off Romo, Austin, Bryant, Murray, Ware (since Parcells didn't want 'em), and throw in the entire 2011 draft for good measure.

We want a world class offensive line of OUR choosing: to wit, DeCastro, and all the guards and centers we have targeted over the past three seasons and not acquired. And don't dare forget the Saints All World guard that did NOT become a Cowboy. Oh, and you might throw in an All Pro and over-the-hill guard that is being paid QB money to boot. OH, and just tell Stephen to HANDLE IT!

We have decided that your attachment for stars is lame, and all that YOU need, are a whole squad of 'ugglies.'

There, you have the truth of it. As it is written, so let it be.

OH, and don't forget we have the burn barrels FIRED UP NOW!

Signed,
YOUR LOYAL FANS!!!

p.s. Have you ever considered stepping down....from a walk plank?





:cool:
 
CCBoy;4672280 said:
Former Dallas Cowboys scout Larry Lacewell was recently on The Dallas Cowboys Show. Here are some highlights:

On if he gets in heated discussions about players with Jerry Jones:

“Yes we do. Everybody thinks Jerry makes decisions off the top of his head. That’s wrong. Jerry listens to everybody. He listens to a group of people like the scouting department and coaches. He really does. Then, he has to make the final decision. He doesn’t just say well, we’ll take (DeMarcus) Ware. He had to fight Bill Parcells on taking Ware. Bill didn’t want Ware. Things like that are his final decisions.”

http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...ll-parcells-before-drafting-demarcus-ware.ece




Everyone participates in a decision process.

Yes, everyone participates in the decision process.

If the pick winds up being good (like Ware), it was all Jerry.

If the pick winds up being bad (like many, many others) it was the fault of the group.
 
CCBoy;4672280 said:
He listens to a group of people like the scouting department and coaches. He really does. Then, he has to make the final decision.

Everyone participates in a decision process.

And then Jerry makes the decision.

Ware - he got it right.

A full draft of special teamers - not so much.

He makes the final decision.

He makes the final decision.

He makes the final decision.

What else do you need to hear to know the truth? A guy who owns a team that has no other football credentials than having the money from another source to buy the team makes the final player personnel decisions.

Thanks CC, we can now put this to bed. It has been settled once and for all.

Jerry makes the final decisions and all successes and failures lie at his feet.

Since 1997 this team is 120-120 in regular season play.

Two plus two does truly equal four.
 
I wonder if some people complain about Jerry Jones because they feel he owes them something.
 

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