Let's put the Jerry as the excuse on players not performing to bed

[TwoDeep3]

I wonder if some people complain about Jerry Jones because they feel he owes them something.

Facts do get in the way, don't they?

 

[Red Dragon]

I don't understand the thread title.

 

[Dodger12]

"Things like that are his final decisions.” Larry Lacewell

 

[Red Dragon]

The trenches are not a priority for this team, and haven't been since Jimmy was calling the shots.

Then why did the Cowboys:

Sign Leonard Davis (the NFL's No. 2 overall draft pick in 2001,)
draft Andre Gurode (who became a 5x Pro Bowler,)
draft Flozell Adams (who became a 5x Pro Bowler,)
sign Marco Rivera (who was a 3x Pro Bowler,) and
sign Marc Colombo (who was a 1st-round pick,)?

 

[AmericasTeam81]

The "trenches" have taken on mythical/mystical proportions around these parts

 

[Red Dragon]

All this talk about "trenches" reminds me of reading about World War I history.

 

[nablives]

Good point. The trenches are not a priority for this team, and haven't been since Jimmy was calling the shots.

This.


Yet every year we sit here and scratch our heads, wondering why our annual 13-3 with a SB at the end predictions don't pan out.

 

[utrunner07]

threads defending Jerry are dumb. His actions are indefensible. A broken clock is right twice a day. Jerry would have fired himself a long time ago, he has said so. The only reason he is GM is because he is owner, thats it, not because he is good at it. Its that simple folks, argue all you want but it does not change the facts.

 

[junk]

"Things like that are his final decisions.” Larry Lacewell

This isn't a shocking revelation to anyone who pays the least bit of attention to the team. I think Ciskowski recently made similar comments.

Unfortunately, you have a crew around here that, for whatever reason, wants to try to claim this isn't the case.

There is no doubt that Jerry gets input on his decisions. He doesn't make them in the vacuum and I don't think he rules with an iron fist either. That isn't the issue.

The problem is that he periodically injects himself in the process and periodically asserts himself.

And, it is great that you can get input from a bunch of people. But if you don't understand the basics of the information you are getting, how do you make an informed decision? You don't. You go with whoever makes the most compelling argument.

Additionally, if you don't really understand scouting or personnel, how do you know if the people that work for you are really that knowledgeable? Dallas certainly isn't a hot bed of scouting talent that is feeding the league. The top two pro guys have never worked as a scout a day in their life.

What happens when you have an environment like this? You end up with an uneven approach to personnel evaluation and you end up being a mediocre team....which Dallas has been for quite some time.

It will never happen, but the best thing this franchise can do is to go hire a true general manager.....preferably someone who has worked as a scout and spent some time working under an established personnel man...and let him assemble the front office. Get rid of the nepotism. Hire people that are qualified for their job based upon their resume, not their last name. Put a personnel structure in place and let them do their job. Then evaluate the results year by year. If it isn't good enough, make a change.

 

[CCBoy]

This is a fair and accurate post. I give Jerry credit for Ware , but he also gets the credit for Quincy Carter. Jerry swings for the fences, which leads to a lot of strikeouts. Some of his little mistakes tick me off the most such as turning down a mid-round draft pick for Choice only to cut him a week later. The contract extension for Ratt is another questionable move. There are many different situations that could only be called failures, that was directly caused by him. There is no doubt that he wants to win. He just doesn't know how.

Then YOU need to square to the fact, that a discenegrating dynasty put the burden of NO availabe funds in a newly established cap era with the newly established free agency requirements as well. More than buying players became the norm. That also required learning and adjusting to cap elements affecting the entire NFL then.

Here, San Francisco, in cheating those newly formed principals, received the equivalent of a 'death sentence' by the NFL. It took them exactly how many years to return to a point of strength?

It took the Giants how many years to return to a dominant point?

How about Pittsburgh...how many years?

Green Bay, don't think that THEY hit the bottom rungs with vintage as well?

Jerry made a developmental mistake. He started to pay dynasty players good contracts with the hopes of prolonging the potential to squeeze out all the potential. But when injury started to mar all the way to our Big Three, and sink that as well, the burden had to be rolled over to a series of years.

Jerry had attempted to salvage the departure of Michael Irvin, with the bringing in of Galloway. Heck, if he had managed to remain on the field, that actually might have done the trick, but he immediately got hurt. And then the concussions of Troy Aikman started to increase.

Now how could that have occured with an offensive line that had Flozell Adams, Andre Gurode, Erik Williams, and Larry Allen? Swith in or out Stepnoski's return and Nate Newton as one see's fit. The point, is good linemen don't remove getting hit.

Injury changed that picture, and quickly....but the cost remained. There was no better alternative in changing from the dynasty to any kind of future. The team could NOT afford any relevant QB in free agency, and only had a second round pick to use when transition occured for the club.

Black quarterbacks, and with mobility skills, were the change coming in at position for the NFL then. That was the most attractive, and potential to tie onto a talent set hitting the NFL then. Quincy had fought racial bariers and was an attributed leader at the college level. Early on, he was seen as a potential and valid leader. And he did have some collegiate accomplishments in the win/throwing categories before coming out.

IN hindsight, it is easy to place a label on accomplishment, but then, not nearly as easy. It proved a failure, but he did accomplish some before he felt association with base elements and substance abuse just part of an underlying social right and yet another validation process. His vanity was his undoing, but so was it for Ryan Leaf, and his pedigree was even higher. Those failures occur.

Over the years since Parcells was brought in, to turn the base of player quality around...how many times has the team won enough to earn the right to enter the playoffs? The question isn't how far there, but good enough through the fabric of the NFL to earn a mark of a respectable team?

I know, we are a 'spoiled' group, with all the trophy case ware. But there is a difference between respectable and not.

To place a label of incompetant for not winning a large number of post season games, is a burden that very few from ANY franchise can boast over that same period of time.

If one goes back to actual comparisons during the entire period of time that Jerry has been infact, the GM, then he moves up comparatively well also.

If things were in fact, all Jimmy, then as things changed, and Jimmy was given the same change in Miami, why didn't things explode for him there?

No, fans are giving credit all to Jimmy then, but even then, the NFL was starting to change. And even a Jimmy couldn't put a Humptie Dumptie back together again...much less a Bill Parcells, who failed in Dallas and then in Miami as well. Just to be fair in comparisons and being equal as to other things affecting playoff pictures.

The Cowboys, although, were a single play away in multiple games last season, from a playoff picture. And that is a mighty, mighty fine line to levy against a GM.

One can stack cow patties up into the clouds, and then say, theoretically, that you, Jerry, are the GM, and are responsible for that top most cow patty.

But that is a poor association for an excuse for not having won the top award given in the NFL. But then come in the complaint of lack of wins...while winning the NFC East and gaining the playoffs has been steadily increasing over that period of time as well.

Sorry, the law of averages is working to the favor of the Cowboys, even now. Most teams have made it high up in the playoffs, due to the principals at work to put a common and equal playing field in place. But that takes a building period as well. Here, there have been two distinct periods for the Cowboys. Now, that picture includes Bill Parcells' time and then Wade Phillips' time. Now, I can't make a 13 win season into a Lombardi, but I still can appreciate the quality required to get there.

I also can appreciate, that from four seasons removed, gone are Flozell Adams, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, and Marc Colombo...and realize a transition from there takes time as well. As the collection of some real talent throughout the team, bringing in fresh legs and and a directed elevation of play with it as well.

Myself, I'm excited to see a truely developing scene at Valley Ranch. The coaching staff has been developing up to a truely top notched group today. The players on the roster, have grown as well. The team has ten vaid stars on the roster, and an additional four to five that above average and developing as well. That is a solid roster at it's base.

In today's NFL, each and every game is a battle and never a given. Indicators for change hit the field under Wade Phillips. That is a tough one to see coming...but it did come to view. Hey, Jerry acknowledged the depth of the problem, circled wagons, and moved on. That part, one should acknowledge, has been worked primarily through. Out of the fire yet, nope. But heading there.

I see it like this. A fan should be rooting from this group to come together, show real fire, and take it to the field for his team. This present scenario in Dallas, is worth some serious enthusiasm. Not crying over spilled milke, and pasing along a ballad about a mythical Jerry.

One can push blame off for any missed glory he chooses, but Jerry isn't the present problem, and blaming a theoretical realm of unfulfilled dreams, doesn't change things now, and they get better every day. Not in theory, but on the field.

Bottom line, is being a fan means rooting for a team. If one can't do that, then he should in fact....move on down the road. If all one can do is raise scorn and insult, he is better off, as other fans are included, to watch what IS changing and root for that. Continual insult helps no one. If Jerry is the real problem to you, then be smart, and get the HELL OUT OF DODGE!

I don't see it that way...errors and all.

 

[CCBoy]

threads defending Jerry are dumb. His actions are indefensible. A broken clock is right twice a day. Jerry would have fired himself a long time ago, he has said so. The only reason he is GM is because he is owner, thats it, not because he is good at it. Its that simple folks, argue all you want but it does not change the facts.

'The sun comes up each and every day...oops, we circulate around the sun and revolve on an axis. Go figure...

Don't like a thread, then keep your own arse out of it, rather than come dumping...or actually embrace parts that do change and affect view.

 

[CCBoy]

Yes, everyone participates in the decision process.

If the pick winds up being good (like Ware), it was all Jerry.

If the pick winds up being bad (like many, many others) it was the fault of the group.

That's a crap load, and cherry picked to hurl buffalo chips with...the reason I brought the quote to site, is it defines the actual process by a person AT the decision process. It was to show that all that is here and now, wasn't because some horse whisperer was at the table FOR Jerry. But that he continually circles the wagons and discusses both direction, and personnel decisions. It's a group work.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

threads defending Jerry are dumb. His actions are indefensible. A broken clock is right twice a day. Jerry would have fired himself a long time ago, he has said so. The only reason he is GM is because he is owner, thats it, not because he is good at it. Its that simple folks, argue all you want but it does not change the facts.

Threads pretending that Jerry and co. don't make any good decisions are also dumb. This team has had pretty good personnel since the Romo era. The same guys crapping on this team and its personnel were the same ones screaming Super Bowl or bust. Now we have never had a good offensive line or talent. You guys are becoming tiresome.

 

[RS12]

Let's put the Jerry as the excuse on players not performing to bed

Yep, the minute he steps downfrom football operations. Something the non blind around here have been ready for a decade.

 

[AmericasTeam81]

If someone has a favorite actor he makes great movies but then over a period of time starts performing badly in movies, would you still consider to buy the product?

 

[Red Dragon]

threads defending Jerry are dumb.

Really advanced reasoning and argumentation you got there.

Jerry would have fired himself a long time ago, he has said so.

Source please?

 

[Red Dragon]

If someone has a favorite actor he makes great movies but then over a period of time starts performing badly in movies, would you still consider to buy the product?

Then don't. There are 31 other teams.

 

[nablives]

Threads pretending that Jerry and co. don't make any good decisions are also dumb. This team has had pretty good personnel since the Romo era. The same guys crapping on this team and its personnel were the same ones screaming Super Bowl or bust. Now we have never had a good offensive line or talent. You guys are becoming tiresome.

It's more of a mixed bag since 2006. Ware, Witten, and Ratliff were actually there before Romo became a starter. Miles was brought in as a URFA in 2006.

 

[jjktkk]

If someone has a favorite actor he makes great movies but then over a period of time starts performing badly in movies, would you still consider to buy the product?

I'm a Will Ferell apologist and a Cowboy fan, so sue me.

 

[nablives]

I'm a Will Ferell apologist and a Cowboy fan, so sue me.

Oh boy. :laugh2: