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So we lose the majority of our games left, what do you do after that?

We will have a pretty high draft pick, and players we should consider letting go or keeping.

my opinion, if we fail again this year, firing Jason is number one, I know most want jerry gone, but lets talk realistic.

After Jason, you have to move on from witten and ware. Aging players who are past their prime, and not worth the cash, unless they take 2-5mil a year. Witten also is becoming to much of an option for Romo and it hurts.

so we have a pretty high draft pick, I love Romo, but I would go qb, like manziel, someone young, can move around and is not gun shy. We have to start building around Dez. I don't want Romo to be done in a few years, we still have a young dez, but a average or sorry qb behind center. Then we focus heavy on d, and maybe a TE.

So do away with Jason, Monte, OC....and a few player changes.
 

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when you start talking cutting players, you have to consider the cap. not only what they cost but how we get under the cap next year to begin with.i suspect witten will be restructured, not cut. you have no choice but clear 31 million in cap space and the only way to do that is restructure contracts and the higher paid guys are the ones who clear the most money. not sure you can cut ware and witten while still having enough contracts to clear 31 million
 

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So we lose the majority of our games left, what do you do after that?

We will have a pretty high draft pick, and players we should consider letting go or keeping.

my opinion, if we fail again this year, firing Jason is number one, I know most want jerry gone, but lets talk realistic.

After Jason, you have to move on from witten and ware. Aging players who are past their prime, and not worth the cash, unless they take 2-5mil a year. Witten also is becoming to much of an option for Romo and it hurts.

so we have a pretty high draft pick, I love Romo, but I would go qb, like manziel, someone young, can move around and is not gun shy. We have to start building around Dez. I don't want Romo to be done in a few years, we still have a young dez, but a average or sorry qb behind center. Then we focus heavy on d, and maybe a TE.

So do away with Jason, Monte, OC....and a few player changes.

The only way back to winning is drafting the OL and DL heavy, i.e. first 3 rounds at least.
 
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If this team doesn't make the playoffs, I don't see how Garrett keeps his job. He's gone.

Some may want to get rid of older players like Ware and Witten, but bonus acceleration makes that almost impossible with the cap situation next year.

Start over with new coaches, draft for the trenches, and find a bottom feeder free agent or 2 to plug holes.

Thats about all you can expect from the Cowboys this off-season.
 

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First two rounds should be DL and in 3rd and 4th round should be OL and 5th round I'd go DL again.
 

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when you start talking cutting players, you have to consider the cap. not only what they cost but how we get under the cap next year to begin with.i suspect witten will be restructured, not cut. you have no choice but clear 31 million in cap space and the only way to do that is restructure contracts and the higher paid guys are the ones who clear the most money. not sure you can cut ware and witten while still having enough contracts to clear 31 million

Yeah, you got a point
 

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We know JJ is here, so why people keep bringing up a GM is a mute point. So why do they keep doing it. Anyway, that will never change.
He won't fire JG, not after this year. JG is here a long as Romo is here.
It does not make any sense to do whole sale changes right now. They will not change the offense as long as Romo is at QB. The defense will not change either. MK gets another year, to get players via the draft. FA is not the answer, even if they had salary cap room.
Marinelli will eventually take over for MK.

This team and players will be 60% at least the same as this year. New players from the draft and some bargain basement FA's.
Now, that's not all that bad, as look at all the possible players on the roster now, that will create some very good competition in TC next year. Look what Marinelli has done with them so far.
Key, as usual, and over said is staying healthy.

You just can't make big changes every year. I think they need to stay with what they have. Change it now, then you have 5 years of the same. Yes we had te same for years, but if you really look at it, there have been improvements. We been in every game this year except against the Saints. and if you look at that game, they recover an on side kick. If they go and get a TD, that would got us to within 11. But that's a mute point.
Last year they were playing from behind every game, not that way this year.
 

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He says let's be realistic then proceeds to cut every decent player off the roster, lol.

You would be lucky if he got rid of Garrett. I wouldn't assume that is a given. Although Zimmer looks ready for a HC gig!
 

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There's no point in discussing all of this as Jerry will still be here another 15 years and Jerry Jr. (Stephen) is next in line for the throne. We have to wait until the curse is broken or we just get lucky and find some talent (probably at QB) that allows us to overcome the mistakes we always make. Another coach chosen by Jerry is not going to do diddly squat for us as a team or organization as the organization is broken with Jerry having 10 titles but only really giving time to the business side of the organization. There is no way that a professional business or sports team can be run in this day and age when the owner wears as many hats as Jerry does.
 

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We know JJ is here, so why people keep bringing up a GM is a mute point. So why do they keep doing it. Anyway, that will never change.
He won't fire JG, not after this year. JG is here a long as Romo is here.
It does not make any sense to do whole sale changes right now. They will not change the offense as long as Romo is at QB. The defense will not change either. MK gets another year, to get players via the draft. FA is not the answer, even if they had salary cap room.
Marinelli will eventually take over for MK.

This team and players will be 60% at least the same as this year. New players from the draft and some bargain basement FA's.
Now, that's not all that bad, as look at all the possible players on the roster now, that will create some very good competition in TC next year. Look what Marinelli has done with them so far.
Key, as usual, and over said is staying healthy.

You just can't make big changes every year. I think they need to stay with what they have. Change it now, then you have 5 years of the same. Yes we had te same for years, but if you really look at it, there have been improvements. We been in every game this year except against the Saints. and if you look at that game, they recover an on side kick. If they go and get a TD, that would got us to within 11. But that's a mute point.
Last year they were playing from behind every game, not that way this year.

People bring up the GM because he is the one constant these last 18 + years and despite changing just about everything that could be changed little changes on the field.
So changing the HC to one who is willing to work for Jerry is likely to make what difference?

So with that is mind, all talk of change is likely to be moot as long as Jerry continues his ways.
 
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We know JJ is here, so why people keep bringing up a GM is a mute point. So why do they keep doing it. Anyway, that will never change.
He won't fire JG, not after this year. JG is here a long as Romo is here.
It does not make any sense to do whole sale changes right now. They will not change the offense as long as Romo is at QB. The defense will not change either. MK gets another year, to get players via the draft. FA is not the answer, even if they had salary cap room.
Marinelli will eventually take over for MK.

This team and players will be 60% at least the same as this year. New players from the draft and some bargain basement FA's.
Now, that's not all that bad, as look at all the possible players on the roster now, that will create some very good competition in TC next year. Look what Marinelli has done with them so far.
Key, as usual, and over said is staying healthy.

You just can't make big changes every year. I think they need to stay with what they have. Change it now, then you have 5 years of the same. Yes we had te same for years, but if you really look at it, there have been improvements. We been in every game this year except against the Saints. and if you look at that game, they recover an on side kick. If they go and get a TD, that would got us to within 11. But that's a mute point.
Last year they were playing from behind every game, not that way this year.
You make some good points, but Jerry is a salesman first and foremost. Jerry has to sell tickets next year. And he won't sell tickets with this same group if they do not make the playoffs this year. This is a terrible division and if they cannot win this division under these circumstances, Jerry will have to do something major or ticket buyers will start leaving in droves IMO.

Jerry can't have that. The answer is to remove himself from football operations, but that won't happen. So he will have to change the coaching staff to foster hope to ticket buyers. The only way Garrett keeps his job is to win the division and possibly upset somebody in the playoffs.
 

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when you start talking cutting players, you have to consider the cap. not only what they cost but how we get under the cap next year to begin with.i suspect witten will be restructured, not cut. you have no choice but clear 31 million in cap space and the only way to do that is restructure contracts and the higher paid guys are the ones who clear the most money. not sure you can cut ware and witten while still having enough contracts to clear 31 million

They still get more cap space by cutting Ware than by keeping him because his non-guaranteed base salary is 12.25M for 2014.

Witten's salary is only about 5M and he has continued to play almost 100% of the offensive snaps.

It near break-even on Miles Austin. They come out a few hundred thousand ahead by cutting him as compared to keeping him and restructuring his contract.
 

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So we lose the majority of our games left, what do you do after that?

We will have a pretty high draft pick, and players we should consider letting go or keeping.

my opinion, if we fail again this year, firing Jason is number one, I know most want jerry gone, but lets talk realistic.

After Jason, you have to move on from witten and ware. Aging players who are past their prime, and not worth the cash, unless they take 2-5mil a year. Witten also is becoming to much of an option for Romo and it hurts.

so we have a pretty high draft pick, I love Romo, but I would go qb, like manziel, someone young, can move around and is not gun shy. We have to start building around Dez. I don't want Romo to be done in a few years, we still have a young dez, but a average or sorry qb behind center. Then we focus heavy on d, and maybe a TE.

So do away with Jason, Monte, OC....and a few player changes.

I like most of your post.
I half always admired teams that see the increasing age/diminishing skills of a vetean player and choose to go younger -- and cheaper. That is something that the Cowboys, under Jones, has not done. We half stuck with the almost subpar Emmitt Smiths, and Brookings of this world and now Witten and Ware. Witten and Ware? If we were playing for the Super bowl this year I'd want both on my team. But face it, they are over the hill. Let go.

Manziel? I say go after him. But there are too many other QBs coming out of college who know pocket presence and have a good head on their shoulders. So lets not limit outselves to an emotionally frail guy like Manziel who could fizzle out under a ton of hype and higher than human expectorations.

As for the draft, if we could trade Witten or Ware, we might be able to move up even higher. As I half always said, you half to give up something in value to git something of value.

And this bunch of Cowboys, well, they are the problem, not the coaching. I say this with the exception of Callahan who sold Jerra bill of goods and now we half a very boring offense except when Dez is targeted.
 

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I would draft defensive linemen in the first three rounds.

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So we lose the majority of our games left, what do you do after that?

We will have a pretty high draft pick, and players we should consider letting go or keeping.

my opinion, if we fail again this year, firing Jason is number one, I know most want jerry gone, but lets talk realistic.

After Jason, you have to move on from witten and ware. Aging players who are past their prime, and not worth the cash, unless they take 2-5mil a year. Witten also is becoming to much of an option for Romo and it hurts.

so we have a pretty high draft pick, I love Romo, but I would go qb, like manziel, someone young, can move around and is not gun shy. We have to start building around Dez. I don't want Romo to be done in a few years, we still have a young dez, but a average or sorry qb behind center. Then we focus heavy on d, and maybe a TE.

So do away with Jason, Monte, OC....and a few player changes.

The draft isn't until April and I'm already burned out on the Manziel debate.

Playing QB for the Dallas Cowboys is one of, it not the most scrutinized positions in all of sports. Manziel has barely survived the scrutiny of being the QB for the Aggies. He is almost guaranteed to have a Vince Young type meltdown if he had to play for the Cowboys.

Manziel's game does not really appear to translate to the NFL anyway. He is small with average to below average arm strength. We've seen what can happen physically to running QBs in the NFL with RG in Washington. We've seen what can happen to superstar college QBs that aren't really suited for the NFL in Tim Tebow.

Manziel's best chance to succeed is to either go to a team where he is no threat to the current starting QB (i.e. Green Bay, New England, etc..) or to a team with minimal expectations and minimal media coverage like Jacksonville.

Manziel being drafted by the Dallas Cowboys is a recipe for disaster.
 

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We know JJ is here, so why people keep bringing up a GM is a mute point. So why do they keep doing it. Anyway, that will never change.
He won't fire JG, not after this year. JG is here a long as Romo is here.
It does not make any sense to do whole sale changes right now. They will not change the offense as long as Romo is at QB. The defense will not change either. MK gets another year, to get players via the draft. FA is not the answer, even if they had salary cap room.
Marinelli will eventually take over for MK.

This team and players will be 60% at least the same as this year. New players from the draft and some bargain basement FA's.
Now, that's not all that bad, as look at all the possible players on the roster now, that will create some very good competition in TC next year. Look what Marinelli has done with them so far.
Key, as usual, and over said is staying healthy.

You just can't make big changes every year. I think they need to stay with what they have. Change it now, then you have 5 years of the same. Yes we had te same for years, but if you really look at it, there have been improvements. We been in every game this year except against the Saints. and if you look at that game, they recover an on side kick. If they go and get a TD, that would got us to within 11. But that's a mute point.
Last year they were playing from behind every game, not that way this year.

There have been improvements? Could've fooled me. We remain at .500 under JG as par for the course. His offense is piss poor, totally chaotic and no rhythm. Watch the saints or packers on offense. Some guy named Scott Tolzien threw for 300+ yards for the packers last week bc the offensive system is so good. Our backups couldn't do that. We can't even get deZ the ball enough.

Coaching is the difference. Harbaugh, Andy Reid, Bruce Arians, all turned they're respective teams around in one to two years,.... Not 5 years like you say.

If we're going to turn this thing around we need a new HC bc we know what we have in JG... And that a .500 HC with an out dated offense. Time for change.
 

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The draft isn't until April and I'm already burned out on the Manziel debate.

Playing QB for the Dallas Cowboys is one of, it not the most scrutinized positions in all of sports. Manziel has barely survived the scrutiny of being the QB for the Aggies. He is almost guaranteed to have a Vince Young type meltdown if he had to play for the Cowboys.

Manziel's game does not really appear to translate to the NFL anyway. He is small with average to below average arm strength. We've seen what can happen physically to running QBs in the NFL with RG in Washington. We've seen what can happen to superstar college QBs that aren't really suited for the NFL in Tim Tebow.

Manziel's best chance to succeed is to either go to a team where he is no threat to the current starting QB (i.e. Green Bay, New England, etc..) or to a team with minimal expectations and minimal media coverage like Jacksonville.

Manziel being drafted by the Dallas Cowboys is a recipe for disaster.

1) Drew Brees who knows a thing or two about QB in the NFL disagrees with you on Manziel. I think Manziel will be a star, even better than Russell Wilson.
2) I agree that Manziel would be a recipe for disaster in Dallas IF Jason Garrett is the head coach. Manziel needs the right OC/HC to be successful.
3) Qbs are getting very smart running the ball now. Get your yards and slide.
4) I think Manziel would feast on the media negativity and thrive as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. I also think his party days are over and he will settle down.
 

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The draft isn't until April and I'm already burned out on the Manziel debate.

Playing QB for the Dallas Cowboys is one of, it not the most scrutinized positions in all of sports. Manziel has barely survived the scrutiny of being the QB for the Aggies. He is almost guaranteed to have a Vince Young type meltdown if he had to play for the Cowboys.

Manziel's game does not really appear to translate to the NFL anyway. He is small with average to below average arm strength. We've seen what can happen physically to running QBs in the NFL with RG in Washington. We've seen what can happen to superstar college QBs that aren't really suited for the NFL in Tim Tebow.

Manziel's best chance to succeed is to either go to a team where he is no threat to the current starting QB (i.e. Green Bay, New England, etc..) or to a team with minimal expectations and minimal media coverage like Jacksonville.

Manziel being drafted by the Dallas Cowboys is a recipe for disaster.

Lol i hope you are are wrong, but may be right
 

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1) Drew Brees who knows a thing or two about QB in the NFL disagrees with you on Manziel. I think Manziel will be a star, even better than Russell Wilson.
2) I agree that Manziel would be a recipe for disaster in Dallas IF Jason Garrett is the head coach. Manziel needs the right OC/HC to be successful.
3) Qbs are getting very smart running the ball now. Get your yards and slide.
4) I think Manziel would feast on the media negativity and thrive as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. I also think his party days are over and he will settle down.

Like the way you think, and Agree, even though Walker made some points.
 

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1) Drew Brees who knows a thing or two about QB in the NFL disagrees with you on Manziel. I think Manziel will be a star, even better than Russell Wilson.
2) I agree that Manziel would be a recipe for disaster in Dallas IF Jason Garrett is the head coach. Manziel needs the right OC/HC to be successful.
3) Qbs are getting very smart running the ball now. Get your yards and slide.
4) I think Manziel would feast on the media negativity and thrive as the QB of the Dallas Cowboys. I also think his party days are over and he will settle down.

One thing that has been proven in history of the NFL is that the mental aspect of playing QB is more important than the physical aspect. There have been many many great physical specimens that tried to make it as QBs in the NFL, but few succeed. See Ryan Leaf, etc..

Manziel's mental makeup is not good. I don't know what Drew Bress said, but ask the Mannings about Manziel. They kicked him out of their football camp.
 
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