Lets talk about HaHa

[Chuck 54]

Neither Pryor nor HaHa have shown the speed to warrant #16 overall. I don't see it at all. Neither guy has had many INTs either, so "ball hawk" may be a stretch.

 

[Chuck 54]

Clinton-Dix was barely under 4.6 with his combine 40 and only 2 INTs on the great Alabama team that forced most teams to play from behind and throw a lot. Not saying he's not good, but you guys must be watching highlight clips.

 

[tm1119]

Clinton-Dix was barely under 4.6 with his combine 40 and only 2 INTs on the great Alabama team that forced most teams to play from behind and throw a lot. Not saying he's not good, but you guys must be watching highlight clips.

And you must not even be watching anything because you're judging a player based on #'s on paper. You might wanna check the 40 times of guys like Ed Reed, Jarius Byrd and TJ Ward by the way. A 40 time in the 4.5's is perfectly acceptable for a safety. None of Vacarro, Reid, or Elam ran under 4.5 last year either.

 

[CowboysLaw87]

Clinton-Dix was barely under 4.6 with his combine 40 and only 2 INTs on the great Alabama team that forced most teams to play from behind and throw a lot. Not saying he's not good, but you guys must be watching highlight clips.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I haven't watched a highlight film to judge a player in years. Here's how the real armchair scouts do it...

http://draftbreakdown.com/players/ha-ha-clinton-dix/

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Maybe crazy but with Melton on board I like DL even moreso. Donald, Ford, Jernigan, Ealy, Hageman and Tuitt over a Safety @16....but wouldn't complain.

 

[Tezz]

The history of Marinelli, Lovie Smith, Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffin would make me think they pass on safety unless Dix/Pryor/Ward has a sizable higher grade than the other prospects in the 1st

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Just rewatching some tape on him and I gotta say my opinion has definitely changed...what's everybody's problem with him again? Fast, good size, well coached, reads the QB's eyes well, experienced in deep zone, can cover 1 on 1 when need be....going on record now that I would have no problem with him at #16. Certainly not my #1 target or anything, but he's a good football player that would definitely help our team.

I watched about 5 games of him over at breakdown and came away with an plus athlete but not an instinctive player and terrible ball skills. Playing in the SEC he saw a lot of runs and he is a good tackler and a physical player which I like. What I really did not like was his reaction to routes run through his zone and adjusting to combinations that should take him to the sideline, in front of him or wherever else. He was consistently a step or two slow reacting.

He can be asked to cover receivers and run around with them and he has good size. He just has no ball skills so a quality pass can beat him. He isn't going to give a whole lot of separation.

I don't like him in the first round because I am not sure that I want him playing deep halves or middle. He isn't going to be high pointing balls versus Megatron or the Chicago duo and I really do not like the idea of a guy like Desean Jackson coming off pick plays right at him.

Calvin Pryor plays great out of zone coverage and has ball skills. I want to see if he runs a shuttle at his proday. I am interested to see how he compares to a very quick Clinton-Dix.

 

[Fredd]

I just can't see a safety in round 1, even if we trade down and one of the two is there

 

[visionary]

I watched about 5 games of him over at breakdown and came away with an plus athlete but not an instinctive player and terrible ball skills. Playing in the SEC he saw a lot of runs and he is a good tackler and a physical player which I like. What I really did not like was his reaction to routes run through his zone and adjusting to combinations that should take him to the sideline, in front of him or wherever else. He was consistently a step or two slow reacting.

He can be asked to cover receivers and run around with them and he has good size. He just has no ball skills so a quality pass can beat him. He isn't going to give a whole lot of separation.

I don't like him in the first round because I am not sure that I want him playing deep halves or middle. He isn't going to be high pointing balls versus Megatron or the Chicago duo and I really do not like the idea of a guy like Desean Jackson coming off pick plays right at him.

Calvin Pryor plays great out of zone coverage and has ball skills. I want to see if he runs a shuttle at his proday. I am interested to see how he compares to a very quick Clinton-Dix.

good observations, thanx

 

[Alexander]

"We like where we are at safety". You will hear this from Jerry Jones' own lips before the draft, I can all but guarantee it.

And we will also get a five-ten page debate after some claims it is a "smokescreen".

 

[CowboysLaw87]

I watched about 5 games of him over at breakdown and came away with an plus athlete but not an instinctive player and terrible ball skills. Playing in the SEC he saw a lot of runs and he is a good tackler and a physical player which I like. What I really did not like was his reaction to routes run through his zone and adjusting to combinations that should take him to the sideline, in front of him or wherever else. He was consistently a step or two slow reacting.

He can be asked to cover receivers and run around with them and he has good size. He just has no ball skills so a quality pass can beat him. He isn't going to give a whole lot of separation.

I don't like him in the first round because I am not sure that I want him playing deep halves or middle. He isn't going to be high pointing balls versus Megatron or the Chicago duo and I really do not like the idea of a guy like Desean Jackson coming off pick plays right at him.

Calvin Pryor plays great out of zone coverage and has ball skills. I want to see if he runs a shuttle at his proday. I am interested to see how he compares to a very quick Clinton-Dix.

Really appreciate and respect your opinion, because anyone who puts in that kind of effort deserves that much, but I just see him differently. I actually thought he displayed very nice ball skills... he had 2 INT's off tipped balls which required really quick reactions (v. ND, Arkansas). His length (6'1 3/8), aggression, and well-roundedness are impressive.

As for route recognition... I think he's FAR better developed than Pryor in this area. Pryor is a "seek and destroy" player. When he sees something happen, he's incredible in his burst and attack. But he does not anticipate well. HHCD, in my opinion, shows a far better ability to read route combinations and make side-to-side and backwards breaks. I'll put it this way: Pryor is better coming forward, and HHCD is better sideways and backwards. I saw many examples of Clinton-Dix smoothly backpeddling in between two WR's running vertical routes, and making the correct break before the ball even left the QB's hand. He's far better developed with that than most S's you see coming out of college, but of course, like with any player, he can come along even further once hitting the NFL.

 

[Chuck 54]

And you must not even be watching anything because you're judging a player based on #'s on paper. You might wanna check the 40 times of guys like Ed Reed, Jarius Byrd and TJ Ward by the way. A 40 time in the 4.5's is perfectly acceptable for a safety. None of Vacarro, Reid, or Elam ran under 4.5 last year either.

Numbers matter when someone calls the guy a ball hawk but he only has 2 ints and scouts say he has bad hands. Can he be a very good safety, yes, I never denied that. But neither of these guys can compare to the top safeties in recent years in round 1.

 

[Macnalty]

Just rewatching some tape on him and I gotta say my opinion has definitely changed...what's everybody's problem with him again? Fast, good size, well coached, reads the QB's eyes well, experienced in deep zone, can cover 1 on 1 when need be....going on record now that I would have no problem with him at #16. Certainly not my #1 target or anything, but he's a good football player that would definitely help our team.

I thought you piloted the Calvin Pryor bandwagon wow what a change ...still think him and Pryor are not 1st tier talent compared to last 4 drafts. IMO

 

[tm1119]

I thought you piloted the Calvin Pryor bandwagon wow what a change ...still think him and Pryor are not 1st tier talent compared to last 4 drafts. IMO

Nah you got the wrong guy on that. Haven't talked about Pryor much at all. I've been pushing Terrence Brooks if anything.

 

[texbumthelife]

Ha-Ha may be the best safety prospect, but that alone doesn't make him worthy of the pick at 16. If he is the best player left on my board I am begging for a trade down.