Let's talk about our Offensive Coaching

[john van brocklin]

The Cowboys believe in continuity and that’s why they keep getting the same results.

Heck we got a decade of Garrett because of their belief in continuity.

Meanwhile Philadelphia can win a Super Bowl and make big changes and be on the cusp of another.

Yep, Jerry is so afraid of risk?
Or is it Stephen behind the scenes ?
It's maddening.

 

[john van brocklin]

That is honestly what it looks like. Not even kidding.

I have been seeing this offense for so long now that on the field I can tell you what the team is going to run. Imagine what a DC whos been watching film their whole life can see.

Yep we got Garrett 2.0
I am sure our opposition loves it.
We gain nothing by scheme.
We have to have flawless execution or better talent than the other team to succeed

 

[FTWayne]

You ever tried making chicken salad, with chucken crap. That's where Moore is at.

 

[john van brocklin]

They have been doing this since Garrett.

When MM was brought in I was very excited because I thought that the WCO was the perfect system for this group of players. Instead we got more of the Garrett offensive scheme.

Remember games when Dez would be forced to run 50 go routes? Until Romo literally started changing plays moving him into the slot into a slant? You have a WR whos is incredible (maybe the best in the league at the time) at RAC and YAC. Yet you send him running straight 80 percent of the game.....This is Garrett. He believed in his system so much so that his arrogance did not allow him to tailor his offense for the players he had. Instead trying to force them into his system.

Moore is doing the same thing. We have CD. YAC monster. Lets have him curls and fly routes. No slants. This entire scheme needs to be trashed and Moore sent packing because I am sick of watching this offense do something that works, only for the next week to do the complete opposite.

Yep, to Garrett and Moore its all about execution and being better that the opponent.
It was be nice to have a more flexible offense that would take advantage of our players strengths.

 

[john van brocklin]

I like to point out that the offensive coaching staff needs to be replaced. We have an oline with 2 Hall of Famers (Martin and Smith), a 1st round pick (Smith), a guy that has risen from undrafted to being considered near the top of his game (Steele) as well as a much improved Biadaz. Yet so many times the RBs were being hit in the backfield or having to make a guy miss in the backfield, as well as other times they were running into a brick wall as the line got stood up.
In the passing game, it seems like WRs aren’t being told important things like, cross the defenders face before breaking back that way you make him change his momentum and it will create more space for you to be open. Simple details that players need to know that make a big difference in whether or not a pass is completed or tipped for an interception, as we saw on the 2nd and 2 play on Sunday.

Attention to details and discipline need to be instilled in this offense and then you’d have a real championship caliber offense. How many games have we seen them shoot themselves in the foot? We say the players need to execute but the also need to be taught that discipline in your craft leads to great execution.

Would love a HC in the mold of Jimmy Johnson.
Accountability and discipline are sorely missed in this franchise from the top on down.

 

[CowboyoWales]

I would simply ask.......Can the offense be tailored to the QB and the skill players or is it the QB and skill players required to be tailored to the OC philosophy? Which one is it?

Excellent point, but before you can truly answer it you've got to find out what Dak's strength's and more importantly weaknesses are....there are some ABD's that believe he doesnt have any weaknesses (though they cant agree whether the true issue is too many curls or too complex scheme's).

What happen's if it's just a complete lack of composure in the face of adversity, no scheme's going to overcome a QB that doesnt step up (and beyond) when asked to.

Yep, we'll need to find another OC, just because this combo has failed, unfortunately the pressures on him in the last chance saloon....and that's never been a scenario that suits his personality.

 

[Soth]

I don't think Moore is terrible, but the Dak/Moore combo is clearly not enough to go deep in the playoffs. We need to try something different. Our defense changed dramatically when we hired DQ. A good coordinator can make a huge difference even if the players are the same.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I hope that this thread will spawn some discussions about the coaching situation with the Cowboys.
One of the things I wonder about were the discussions that Jerry and Mac had about Moore when Mac was hired.
I for one was surprised and disappointed that Mac did not install and run his offense, but that the offense was given to Moore to run.
Does anyone find this odd?
I personally think that this was a condition on Mac getting the job, but have no proof.
I think that Jerry believes that Moore is the next football genius and HC in waiting.
I really think this offense does not work for Dak and would love to see how a different offense might help him.
As someone has said, you can change offenses and coaches much easier than QB because of Dak's contract.

Thoughts and opinions please.
Thanks, John

I think that Moore needs to leave. We've been stuck with the same Garrett crap for decades. We need new ideas. Maybe Dak is having issues because teams know what we are going to do. I think Kitna could be a good OC. Mark Holmes pointed out that Dak was at his best when John Kitna was his QB Coach. Perhaps it's time that we try something new like him or Frank Reich as OC.

 

[Cmac]

Excellent point, but before you can truly answer it you've got to find out what Dak's strength's and more importantly weaknesses are....there are some ABD's that believe he doesnt have any weaknesses (though they cant agree whether the true issue is too many curls or too complex scheme's).

What happen's if it's just a complete lack of composure in the face of adversity, no scheme's going to overcome a QB that doesnt step up (and beyond) when asked to.

Yep, we'll need to find another OC, just because this combo has failed, unfortunately the pressures on him in the last chance saloon....and that's never been a scenario that suits his personality.

Can't solely be the lack of composure.....slump maybe.....mental right now, maybe.........something being physically compensated for, maybe.........because we've seen him make comebacks too.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I don't think Moore is terrible, but the Dak/Moore combo is clearly not enough to go deep in the playoffs. We need to try something different. Our defense changed dramatically when we hired DQ. A good coordinator can make a huge difference even if the players are the same.

Exactly. Coaching matters. I happen to think we have a very good HC, and our DC has been outstanding. We need the best OC that Jerry can afford.

 

[CowboysExchange]

I hope that this thread will spawn some discussions about the coaching situation with the Cowboys.
One of the things I wonder about were the discussions that Jerry and Mac had about Moore when Mac was hired.
I for one was surprised and disappointed that Mac did not install and run his offense, but that the offense was given to Moore to run.
Does anyone find this odd?
I personally think that this was a condition on Mac getting the job, but have no proof.
I think that Jerry believes that Moore is the next football genius and HC in waiting.
I really think this offense does not work for Dak and would love to see how a different offense might help him.
As someone has said, you can change offenses and coaches much easier than QB because of Dak's contract.

Thoughts and opinions please.
Thanks, John

We're too busy trying to emulate 15+ years of run and take what the defense gives our te "Witten" instead of Attacking more with the best skilled players.

We're gonna attack w these bottom feeder checkdown tes built from low draft stock and bargain bin capitol.

If we're gonna play this style of ball we need to spend the resources and draft capitol trying to aquire 2 top receiving tes

Or get a trio of Wrs and RB's

The avg tes are not players you can build the gameplan around. Lol

We learned that lesson again in SF when Dak threw Schultz's way 10 times for the 5th game in a row. Just like he did last year. Js

 

[CowboysExchange]

If they bring in the next OC and he uses the same nonworking schemes and strategies what's the point???

 

[john van brocklin]

I don't think Moore is terrible, but the Dak/Moore combo is clearly not enough to go deep in the playoffs. We need to try something different. Our defense changed dramatically when we hired DQ. A good coordinator can make a huge difference even if the players are the same.

Please

 

[Doomsday]

I actually think Moore's scheme is pretty solid most of the time, where this team struggles is in the execution of the little details that take you over the top. A few things I see quite a bit of every time I watch breakdown videos. Makes you wonder who is running things on offense because there isn't a ton of discipline.

- Dak's mechanics and footwork have fallen off and were all over the place vs the Niners
- The WRs and Dak were not on the same page on quite a few option routes. 1/2 of Dak's interceptions were because of it.
- Lazy routes by some of the WRs, they run a ton of comebacks but the WRs seem to sit down and never come back for the ball or press the DB up the field so they open up his hips before breaking off their routes.
- Influence routes are not precisely leading to multiple receivers in the same area

 

[xwalker]

Agreed. It truly stuns me that an actual NFL offensive coordinator could not see that those predictable curl routes aren’t going to work against zone.

I mean how many time are our opponents going to say they knew what was coming before something is done about it??

Kurt Warner said that if CeeDee had run a curl, that the 2nd INT would not have happened...

 

[Wangchung83]

Daks a problem

 

[Coogiguy03]

I hope that this thread will spawn some discussions about the coaching situation with the Cowboys.
One of the things I wonder about were the discussions that Jerry and Mac had about Moore when Mac was hired.
I for one was surprised and disappointed that Mac did not install and run his offense, but that the offense was given to Moore to run.
Does anyone find this odd?
I personally think that this was a condition on Mac getting the job, but have no proof.
I think that Jerry believes that Moore is the next football genius and HC in waiting.
I really think this offense does not work for Dak and would love to see how a different offense might help him.
As someone has said, you can change offenses and coaches much easier than QB because of Dak's contract.

Thoughts and opinions please.
Thanks, John

We all know that the stipulation was to NOT BRING IN AN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR Kellen is our guy. Jerry told a grown man something he couldn't do and Mike HAD to listen.

 

[Coogiguy03]

We have seen an offense where Dak absolutely excels. It involves moving the pocket, some designed QB runs and the like. It also involves handing the ball off 30-35 times a game. But that's not the offense Moore wants to run. I don't even know if Dak likes that offense more than this new one.. I just know that other offense suited his skillset and play style better.

Dak is too slow

 

[Zman5]

Jalen Hurts look like garbage most of last season. They got a stud WR and tailored the offense to fit the personnel. Jalen Hurts was an MVP candidate most of the season and now they are one game away from going to the SB. It took them one season. Coaching matters.

 

[john van brocklin]

Exactly. Coaching matters. I happen to think we have a very good HC, and our DC has been outstanding. We need the best OC that Jerry can afford.

Coaches don't count against the salary cap.
Hire the best and the brighest!!!