Lets talk about the first interception

[ZBTHorton]

This is how I view it as well.

We can lament the fact that Dez ran a half-arse route but that doesn't absolve Romo from shouldering some of the blame.

There were probably better options than Dez on that play. Instead he went Favre on us and tried to thread the needle and was burned.

Check it down and live to fight another day.

I really challenge people with this viewpoint to go back and watch the All 22 videos for lots of games. The windows NFL QB's throw into just aren't that big. If the WR runs the wrong route on a play, any play can be intercepted and look totally ridiculous. This play just isn't that much different from tons of other plays we ran today. I mean, you're running over the middle, there are going to be people there the vast majority of the time. That's why the play is designed to get between them and the ball.

 

[Idgit]

This is how I view it as well.

We can lament the fact that Dez ran a half-arse route but that doesn't absolve Romo from shouldering some of the blame.

There were probably better options than Dez on that play. Instead he went Favre on us and tried to thread the needle and was burned.

Check it down and live to fight another day.

It really does, though. If Dez is where he's supposed to be, this is a catch. And there weren't really other options on the play that were better than Dez at the time Tony released the ball. This is just what happens when you're not where you're supposed to be in the passing game, and when you don't a multitude of weapons to throw to.

 

[couchscout]

I really challenge people with this viewpoint to go back and watch the All 22 videos for lots of games. The windows NFL QB's throw into just aren't that big. If the WR runs the wrong route on a play, any play can be intercepted and look totally ridiculous. This play just isn't that much different from tons of other plays we ran today.

Ding ding ding!!!


It absolutely blows my mind how so many football fans can know so little about the game. This game is SOOOOOO much more complex than they realize. Do some research before making these outlandish statements. There are tons and tons and tons of websites and books out there that can help explain the game. Watching football on TV, even for 40 years, doesn't even kinda qualify you to judge what happens on any individual play. You have to see if from the all22, know what the assignments of every players on the field were, and understand the intent and design of both the offensive and defensive play. Only then can you even start to figure out what actually happened.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Ding ding ding!!!


It absolutely blows my mind how so many football fans can know so little about the game. This game is SOOOOOO much more complex than they realize. Do some research before making these outlandish statements. There are tons and tons and tons of websites and books out there that can help explain the game. Watching football on TV, even for 40 years, doesn't even kinda qualify you to judge what happens on any individual play. You have to see if from the all22, know what the assignments of every players on the field were, and understand the intent and design of both the offensive and defensive play. Only then can you even start to figure out what actually happened.

I saw the replay from about 3 different angles. I have 20/20 vision and have a firm understanding of the game and passing windows.

It was a risky throw that wasn't needed at that point in the game.

 

[Merlin]

If Dez doesn't hesitate and runs the correct route, then there is not much risk. Bottomline. There would be no argument if he runs the right route. They need to simplify things for Dez and only run certain plays to will utilize his talents. Takes coaching to make the necessary adjustments. Red hasn't shown much so far.

 

[Hot_Toddy]

Can we discuss please? Anyone have a differing view than the commentators on that one?

According to Dez he was trying to flatten his route off but was off-balance. He was trying to regain his balance while attempting to flatten his route off at the same time. But there was no miscommunication on the play.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multim...-Dropped/25d25b09-c0db-4842-ba49-0aa231ad65f0

2:45 of the vid

 

[RoyTheHammer]

And how does the safety INT the ball? If Dez is where he should be the ball gets to him first. The only way the safety can get to the ball is for Dez to fall down before the ball arrives, not be where he's supposed to be in front of the safety or the safety goes thru Dez to get the ball then that's pass interference. These are big league throws designed to work a certain way. Dez screwed it up which is whay everyone is on his arse.

But oh no they just climbed his arse so people would think it was Dez's fault thereby deflecting blame from Garrett and Romo.

If Dez does catch it he gets completely layed out.. not a good decision by Tony, imo.. and the safety read him like a book. All goes back to, like YR said, Tony just doesn't look off defenders very well.

It also doesn't help when our "playaction" is to an invisible running back. Either Tanner or Romo screwed that up, but that was hard to watch.

 

[Idgit]

According to Dez he was trying to flatten his route off but was off-balance. He was trying to regain his balance while attempting to flatten his route off at the same time. But there was no miscommunication on the play.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/multim...-Dropped/25d25b09-c0db-4842-ba49-0aa231ad65f0

2:45 of the vid

Yep. That's about as much confirmation that he didn't square the route off properly as you're going to get.

Pretty clear to me what happened there, and I personally don't see how anyone sees this one as a problem with the playcall or the QB.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, we talked about this at the time. I absolutely think Dez ran a sloppy route. What's new there? However, I don't see the wisdom in throwing that ball if your Romo. The Safety was in perfect position to either make a play, regardless of how well Dez runs the route or just light Dez up spectacularly. Maybe Dez makes a good play and comes up with it but I'm betting he gets laid out. I don't think Tony ever saw the Safety there. There were a couple of things wrong on that play IMO. Wasn't all Dez or Romo. IDK, it's over now.

 

[Idgit]

Well, we talked about this at the time. I absolutely think Dez ran a sloppy route. What's new there? However, I don't see the wisdom in throwing that ball if your Romo. The Safety was in perfect position to either make a play, regardless of how well Dez runs the route or just light Dez up spectacularly. Maybe Dez makes a good play and comes up with it but I'm betting he gets laid out. I don't think Tony ever saw the Safety there. There were a couple of things wrong on that play IMO. Wasn't all Dez or Romo. IDK, it's over now.

The timing of that play has Tony throwing the ball just as Dez is going into his (rounded) cut. And there's no way Tony doesn't see that S, because he's lined up to cover the deep middle from the snap of the ball, and Austin's route is meant to do nothing but hold the S there until Austin cuts outside.

Pretty clearly, Dez is the first option on that play, and when he gets the inside release, that pattern gets the green light. It's a timing route, and Tony's throwing right as the WR makes his cut. Dez *has* to cut across the face of the S to make it work, and he ran the route poorly and it got jumped. These are the things that get you beat.

 

[links18]

Romo and Dez are not a good combination. When you have a gunslinging QB combined with a talented but undisciplined receiver, these things will happen.

 

[TwoDeep3]

Dez has separation on the CB with a deep S sitting in a two deep zone. Dez's route was run poorly and if executed properly he would have crossed in front of the deep safety and no INT happens. IMO. Those are big league throws and Dez sucks at his routes too often. This is now a big problem without a doubt. And it is concerning this far into his career.

This!!!

thread over...

 

[DCBoysfan]

Romo should have never thrown the pass. That's one reason he has thrown some many ints this year. The receiver is bracketed. DB looks like his playing a trail and has safety help over the top, Romo never looked off the safety. It wasn't a good rout, but the pfass shouldn't have been thrown.

These are my thoughts exactly, he should not have throw the pass, it wasn't a good route but he should have went somewhere else with the throw.

 

[TwoDeep3]

These are my thoughts exactly, he should not have throw the pass, it wasn't a good route but he should have went somewhere else with the throw.

Hindsight quarterbacks complete all their throws.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The timing of that play has Tony throwing the ball just as Dez is going into his (rounded) cut. And there's no way Tony doesn't see that S, because he's lined up to cover the deep middle from the snap of the ball, and Austin's route is meant to do nothing but hold the S there until Austin cuts outside.

Pretty clearly, Dez is the first option on that play, and when he gets the inside release, that pattern gets the green light. It's a timing route, and Tony's throwing right as the WR makes his cut. Dez *has* to cut across the face of the S to make it work, and he ran the route poorly and it got jumped. These are the things that get you beat.

There is no question that Dez ran a poor route but look where the ball was thrown. Look at Romo and what he does. Look at where the safety is when he picks the ball. If Tony saw Brown, then that's even worse because that means that he made a terrible decision on that throw and wasn't simply fooled.

The Safety is never held because Romo never looked it off. He's looking at Dez from the minute he looks up off the play action. Is the route bad? Yes. However, the Safety is on that play from the get go. In fact, he never even attempts to cover Miles on the go route to the other side of the field. A QB doesn't throw that route off of the release. The QB looks for the Safety and where he is relative to the pattern. If the Safety shades the dig, then he goes to single coverage on the Go. However, on this route, I don't believe that Romo ever saw the Safety. What Romo does see is the Safety that is coming up on the delayed Blitz from that side of the field. He sees this and I think he believes that Dez has the inside release and just throws the pattern. Now, what he doesn't see is that the deep Safety shades Dez and never honors Miles.

I'm watching that play again right now and even if Dez runs it perfectly, the Safety is in perfect position to make a play or a kill shot on Dez. This is not a play that Dez could have caught coming across the field and in front of the Safety. The Safety is spying Dez the whole way. Unless Brown totally whiffs on the hit, the best thing that could have happened there is an incomplete pass IMO. If Dez runs the 15 Yard Dig, Brown is still no more then 5 yards off of Dez when Romo throws the ball. I don't think Romo ever saw the Safety. I think he just believed that the Safety would still be playing the deep middle and that the other safety was coming on the Delayed Blitz.

 

[Idgit]

There is no question that Dez ran a poor route but look where the ball was thrown. Look at Romo and what he does. Look at where the safety is when he picks the ball. If Tony saw Brown, then that's even worse because that means that he made a terrible decision on that throw and wasn't simply fooled.

The Safety is never held because Romo never looked it off. He's looking at Dez from the minute he looks up off the play action. Is the route bad? Yes. However, the Safety is on that play from the get go. In fact, he never even attempts to cover Miles on the go route to the other side of the field. A QB doesn't throw that route off of the release. The QB looks for the Safety and where he is relative to the pattern. If the Safety shades the dig, then he goes to single coverage on the Go. However, on this route, I don't believe that Romo ever saw the Safety. What Romo does see is the Safety that is coming up on the delayed Blitz from that side of the field. He sees this and I think he believes that Dez has the inside release and just throws the pattern. Now, what he doesn't see is that the deep Safety shades Dez and never honors Miles.

I'm watching that play again right now and even if Dez runs it perfectly, the Safety is in perfect position to make a play or a kill shot on Dez. This is not a play that Dez could have caught coming across the field and in front of the Safety. The Safety is spying Dez the whole way. Unless Brown totally whiffs on the hit, the best thing that could have happened there is an incomplete pass IMO. If Dez runs the 15 Yard Dig, Brown is still no more then 5 yards off of Dez when Romo throws the ball. I don't think Romo ever saw the Safety. I think he just believed that the Safety would still be playing the deep middle and that the other safety was coming on the Delayed Blitz.

The S is fixed on that play up until the point where Miles cuts out and Dez cuts in. Then he makes the right decision and moves to cover the inside route. If the S were reading Tony's eyes, he'd have moved prior to the break, but as it is, the run-fake and the threat of Miles cutting in is enough to hold him in the middle of the field until the break.

Now, the play design does have Romo throwing to the WR who's likely to have safety support, but that's a common NFL play that's run successfully in almost every NFL game. Bottom line, the QB has to release that ball on Dez's break, and Dez has to both get the inside release and cross the face of the S in order to get the completion. He did one, and not the other, and the S made a good play to make us pay for it. Again.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The S is fixed on that play up until the point where Miles cuts out and Dez cuts in. Then he makes the right decision and moves to cover the inside route. If the S were reading Tony's eyes, he'd have moved prior to the break, but as it is, the run-fake and the threat of Miles cutting in is enough to hold him in the middle of the field until the break.

Now, the play design does have Romo throwing to the WR who's likely to have safety support, but that's a common NFL play that's run successfully in almost every NFL game. Bottom line, the QB has to release that ball on Dez's break, and Dez has to both get the inside release and cross the face of the S in order to get the completion. He did one, and not the other, and the S made a good play to make us pay for it. Again.

I'm sorry, I just don't agree with this. I think the Giants baited Romo and I think the safety camped on the route. If you are a QB in the National Football League, you don't throw into Safety Coverage when you have a one on one to the outside with your best WR. You read the safety and go to what the coverage dictates. If what we are saying is that the Safety only broke on the ball when Tony released it, then doesn't that say something as well? How do you design a play that allows for a Safety to have enough time to come up and be in position to either deliver a dangerous blow to your intended receiver or pick the ball? No, I didn't see this at all. That ball couldn't have been in the air for more then 2 or 3 seconds. How are you going to design a timing play where a FS can go from deep coverage to being in better position then your designated WR is to make a play on the ball? No, I don't see that. A Safety should not leave a WR running one on one to the EZ in favor of a 15 yard Dig in front of you. Especially when you know that your other Safety is in run blitz support. That just doesn't make any sense to me. I think they baited him and I think he took the bait.

You gotta find that Safety.

 

[Doomsday101]

There are DB behind the WR on slants as well bottom line Dez ran a poor rout if he runs it as it should be that ball is completed. He could get tackled? :laugh2:

Yeah and it still would have been a big competion for good yardage. Romo has to make that throw before the WR makes the break and the WR has to be in that spot. Aikman saw it the same way and said as much.

 

[Venger]

The S is fixed on that play up until the point where Miles cuts out and Dez cuts in. Then he makes the right decision and moves to cover the inside route. If the S were reading Tony's eyes, he'd have moved prior to the break, but as it is, the run-fake and the threat of Miles cutting in is enough to hold him in the middle of the field until the break.

Now, the play design does have Romo throwing to the WR who's likely to have safety support, but that's a common NFL play that's run successfully in almost every NFL game. Bottom line, the QB has to release that ball on Dez's break, and Dez has to both get the inside release and cross the face of the S in order to get the completion. He did one, and not the other, and the S made a good play to make us pay for it. Again.

Your posts in this thread have been MONEY.

 

[xwalker]

I really think they need to use Harris more than OTree. I think he is faster and we need more speed.

Ogletree has a lot of issues, but speed is not one of them.

Dwayne Harris
Height: 5103
Weight: 203
40 Yrd Dash: 4.53
20 Yrd Dash: 2.58
10 Yrd Dash: 1.58
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 10
Vertical Jump: 34
Broad Jump: 09'03"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.21
3-Cone Drill: 6.77

Kevin Ogletree
Height: 6004
Weight: 196
40 Yrd Dash: 4.36
20 Yrd Dash: 2.51
10 Yrd Dash: 1.50
225 Lb. Bench Reps:
Vertical Jump: 36
Broad Jump: 10'02"
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.08
3-Cone Drill: 6.67