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Well the consensus around here seems to be that Free has regressed again. Not sure if he's trying to play thru a secret injury we don't know about, he stopped taking PED's, we aren't disguising his weakness with TE help, or he just lost motivation. Often times in the past (Specifically with Bernadeau and Livings) they were playing thru some injuries and we just didn't know about it till later so there's a slight possibility Free is not 100% and Garrett is keeping it under wraps. Ok then just for the sake of discussion, what if (Oh boy here it comes) we slid Martin over to RT and inserted Bernadeau at RG? Don't freak out, let's just have some fun for a minute.

From what I understand Bernadeau is finally healthy, a year plus after his last surgery and was showing tremendous improvement, so much that if he had gotten the nod over Leary there wouldn't be much of a difference. Granted I'm glad they chose Leary because we are going with the youth movement on the O-line. I really don't know for certain if Martin will ever play tackle (Since he has alligator arms,) or if they are just getting him acclimated to playing at the Pro level by inserting him at guard his first year with hopes to slide him over in his second year. It just seems to me he'd still be an upgrade over Free right now but of course this is more theory than fact at the moment because we haven't seen him play tackle at the Pro level. The talent and strength seems to be there for the most part though.

The long term solution here is to draft a tackle in the first three rounds and be done with it. My guess is that we might insert a stop gap FA next year unless Parnell finally gets it together. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Parnell get injured and that's why he didn't look so good in preseason? At least not good enough for the coaches to give him the nod over Free. I know there is at least one fan around here in Parnell's corner but most on this board seem to believe he looked bad in the preseason and also regressed. I know Weems got hurt but he's still injured so he's out of the equation for now at least.

And lastly I heard T-Fred on sports radio yesterday say he excels at run blocking more than pass blocking because they ran the ball a great deal more then they passed the ball while he was at Wisconsin. He said he's still adjusting to pass blocking in the NFL as is Martin, naturally. Time is our friend and as of now it appears these guys are just getting better and better. Personally I want to see something between a 60/40 to 70/30 run to pass ratio from here on forward. We have the horses to run down other teams throats and quite frankly it's a team strength right now. It's also kept or spotty defense off the field with time of possession being in our favor. And finally with one last tweak to our O-line, it's a perfect setting to bring in a draft pick at QB to take over the reins and get us over the hump and back to winning 10+ games again, somebody in the first two rounds would be ideal.
 

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Well the consensus around here seems to be that Free has regressed again. Not sure if he's trying to play thru a secret injury we don't know about, he stopped taking PED's, we aren't disguising his weakness with TE help, or he just lost motivation. Often times in the past (Specifically with Bernadeau and Livings) they were playing thru some injuries and we just didn't know about it till later so there's a slight possibility Free is not 100% and Garrett is keeping it under wraps. Ok then just for the sake of discussion, what if (Oh boy here it comes) we slid Martin over to RT and inserted Bernadeau at RG? Don't freak out, let's just have some fun for a minute.

From what I understand Bernadeau is finally healthy, a year plus after his last surgery and was showing tremendous improvement, so much that if he had gotten the nod over Leary there wouldn't be much of a difference. Granted I'm glad they chose Leary because we are going with the youth movement on the O-line. I really don't know for certain if Martin will ever play tackle (Since he has alligator arms,) or if they are just getting him acclimated to playing at the Pro level by inserting him at guard his first year with hopes to slide him over in his second year. It just seems to me he'd still be an upgrade over Free right now but of course this is more theory than fact at the moment because we haven't seen him play tackle at the Pro level. The talent and strength seems to be there for the most part though.

The long term solution here is to draft a tackle in the first three rounds and be done with it. My guess is that we might insert a stop gap FA next year unless Parnell finally gets it together. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Parnell get injured and that's why he didn't look so good in preseason? At least not good enough for the coaches to give him the nod over Free. I know there is at least one fan around here in Parnell's corner but most on this board seem to believe he looked bad in the preseason and also regressed. I know Weems got hurt but he's still injured so he's out of the equation for now at least.

And lastly I heard T-Fred on sports radio yesterday say he excels at run blocking more than pass blocking because they ran the ball a great deal more then they passed the ball while he was at Wisconsin. He said he's still adjusting to pass blocking in the NFL as is Martin, naturally. Time is our friend and as of now it appears these guys are just getting better and better. Personally I want to see something between a 60/40 to 70/30 run to pass ratio from here on forward. We have the horses to run down other teams throats and quite frankly it's a team strength right now. It's also kept or spotty defense off the field with time of possession being in our favor. And finally with one last tweak to our O-line, it's a perfect setting to bring in a draft pick at QB to take over the reins and get us over the hump and back to winning 10+ games again, somebody in the first two rounds would be ideal.

not so fast on drafting a tackle. the long term solution might be to move martin out to RT and draft a guard in the 2nd to 4th round. better chance of finding a good guard as opposed to a tackle. and if martin can take the role, then we got nice bookends.
 

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I feel the team should draft a RT next offseason; however, management must plan and be open to Martin playing at RT if that position is not strong or the best are unavailable to Dallas in next years draft.

Look at free agency first then the draft. It's about planning properly.
 
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I'm not opposed to drafting in an area of strength, especially the offensive line.

In the meantime, it is tempting to move Martin to right tackle and let Bernadeau play.
 

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not so fast on drafting a tackle. the long term solution might be to move martin out to RT and draft a guard in the 2nd to 4th round. better chance of finding a good guard as opposed to a tackle. and if martin can take the role, then we got nice bookends.

Yeah that is Option B considering Martin's lack of arm length to play tackle though...
 

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I am emphatically against moving Martin to tackle, this year or future years.

He was drafted 16th overall to be an elite guard, not an above-average tackle (which is how he projects).

Then R.I.P., Romo.
 

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I am emphatically against moving Martin to tackle, this year or future years.

He was drafted 16th overall to be an elite guard, not an above-average tackle (which is how he projects).
An above average tackle is worth more than an elite guard.
 

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Free is the only glaring weakness, and understand not causing weakness @ two positions trying to replace one, but this Martin kid seems capable (almost too agile for a G) and Free seems set on forcing the teams hand (again) Can he not bench press? The cautious move would be to wait until the off season to determine if their are RT's available to allow him to continue @ G, but Free may not allow that luxury (barely last week). If Free continues to be a liability, I don't think the team should shut the door on that. He does have short arms but so does Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Buluga, etc. (well that may be it:D)

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/12020/daily-mailbag-the-insanity-of-short-arms
 
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I don't know if the staff sees Martin as a legit tackle. Did they even give him any reps in camp at the tackle position? I think I remember them looking at him at both guard spots and center, but not at right tackle.

The most likely scenario for this season, in my opinion, is that Free and/or Parnell try to man the spot until a suitable replacement can be brought in via the draft or free agency in 2015.


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not so fast on drafting a tackle. the long term solution might be to move martin out to RT and draft a guard in the 2nd to 4th round. better chance of finding a good guard as opposed to a tackle. and if martin can take the role, then we got nice bookends.

Maybe that explains why we tried to trade into the 3rd round for Trai Turner OG this year. Slide Martin to RT and Turner at OG. I think we should go best tackle or guard in the board. Go from there, but Fred and Martin sure seem to play well beside each other
 

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Well the consensus around here seems to be that Free has regressed again. Not sure if he's trying to play thru a secret injury we don't know about, he stopped taking PED's, we aren't disguising his weakness with TE help, or he just lost motivation. Often times in the past (Specifically with Bernadeau and Livings) they were playing thru some injuries and we just didn't know about it till later so there's a slight possibility Free is not 100% and Garrett is keeping it under wraps. Ok then just for the sake of discussion, what if (Oh boy here it comes) we slid Martin over to RT and inserted Bernadeau at RG? Don't freak out, let's just have some fun for a minute.

From what I understand Bernadeau is finally healthy, a year plus after his last surgery and was showing tremendous improvement, so much that if he had gotten the nod over Leary there wouldn't be much of a difference. Granted I'm glad they chose Leary because we are going with the youth movement on the O-line. I really don't know for certain if Martin will ever play tackle (Since he has alligator arms,) or if they are just getting him acclimated to playing at the Pro level by inserting him at guard his first year with hopes to slide him over in his second year. It just seems to me he'd still be an upgrade over Free right now but of course this is more theory than fact at the moment because we haven't seen him play tackle at the Pro level. The talent and strength seems to be there for the most part though.

The long term solution here is to draft a tackle in the first three rounds and be done with it. My guess is that we might insert a stop gap FA next year unless Parnell finally gets it together. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Parnell get injured and that's why he didn't look so good in preseason? At least not good enough for the coaches to give him the nod over Free. I know there is at least one fan around here in Parnell's corner but most on this board seem to believe he looked bad in the preseason and also regressed. I know Weems got hurt but he's still injured so he's out of the equation for now at least.

And lastly I heard T-Fred on sports radio yesterday say he excels at run blocking more than pass blocking because they ran the ball a great deal more then they passed the ball while he was at Wisconsin. He said he's still adjusting to pass blocking in the NFL as is Martin, naturally. Time is our friend and as of now it appears these guys are just getting better and better. Personally I want to see something between a 60/40 to 70/30 run to pass ratio from here on forward. We have the horses to run down other teams throats and quite frankly it's a team strength right now. It's also kept or spotty defense off the field with time of possession being in our favor. And finally with one last tweak to our O-line, it's a perfect setting to bring in a draft pick at QB to take over the reins and get us over the hump and back to winning 10+ games again, somebody in the first two rounds would be ideal.

Despite what we have seen so far, I'd still say the Cowboys should be looking to address the defensive side of the ball early and often this next year. Corner, Dl,, oLb could all use additional talent
 

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Tackles get paid more

This is from 2012--average of ten highest paid at position:

10 highest-paid players at each position:

Avg. Salary Years Total Money
Left Tackle $8.1 million 6 $46.2 million
Left Guard $6.1 million 6 $34 million
R. Guard $5.4 million 6 $29.9 million
Center $5.0 million 5 $26 million
R.Tackle $5.0 million 4 $22.2 million

Source: http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-doug-free-being-paid-too-much-to.html

EDIT: Apologize for not knowing how to line up the table correctly. At any rate, although left tackles get paid more, right tackles do not.
 

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Well the consensus around here seems to be that Free has regressed again. Not sure if he's trying to play thru a secret injury we don't know about, he stopped taking PED's, we aren't disguising his weakness with TE help, or he just lost motivation. Often times in the past (Specifically with Bernadeau and Livings) they were playing thru some injuries and we just didn't know about it till later so there's a slight possibility Free is not 100% and Garrett is keeping it under wraps. Ok then just for the sake of discussion, what if (Oh boy here it comes) we slid Martin over to RT and inserted Bernadeau at RG? Don't freak out, let's just have some fun for a minute.

From what I understand Bernadeau is finally healthy, a year plus after his last surgery and was showing tremendous improvement, so much that if he had gotten the nod over Leary there wouldn't be much of a difference. Granted I'm glad they chose Leary because we
are going with the youth movement on the O-line. I really don't know for certain if Martin will ever play tackle (Since he has alligator arms,) or if they are just getting him acclimated to playing at the Pro level by inserting him at guard his first year with hopes to slide him over in his second year. It just seems to me he'd still be an upgrade over Free right now but of course this is more theory than fact at the moment because we haven't seen him play tackle at the Pro level. The talent and strength seems to be there for the most part though.

The long term solution here is to draft a tackle in the first three rounds and be done with it. My guess is that we might insert a stop gap FA next year unless Parnell finally gets it together. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Parnell get injured and that's why he didn't look so good in preseason? At least not good enough for the coaches to give him the nod over Free. I know there is at least one fan around here in Parnell's corner but most on this board seem to believe he looked bad in the preseason and also regressed. I know Weems got hurt but he's still injured so he's out of the equation for now at least.

And lastly I heard T-Fred on sports radio yesterday say he excels at run blocking more than pass blocking because they ran the ball a great deal more then they passed the ball while he was at Wisconsin. He said he's still adjusting to pass blocking in the NFL as is Martin, naturally. Time is our friend and as of now it appears these guys are just getting better and better. Personally I want to see something between a 60/40 to 70/30 run to pass ratio from here on forward. We have the horses to run down other teams throats and quite frankly it's a team strength right now. It's also kept or spotty defense off the field with time of possession being in our favor. And finally with one last tweak to our O-line, it's a perfect setting to bring in a draft pick at QB to take over the reins and get us over the hump and back to winning 10+ games again, somebody in the first two rounds would be ideal.
Well the consensus around here seems to be that Free has regressed again. Not sure if he's trying to play thru a secret injury we don't know about, he stopped taking PED's, we aren't disguising his weakness with TE help, or he just lost motivation. Often times in the past (Specifically with Bernadeau and Livings) they were playing thru some injuries and we just didn't know about it till later so there's a slight possibility Free is not 100% and Garrett is keeping it under wraps. Ok then just for the sake of discussion, what if (Oh boy here it comes) we slid Martin over to RT and inserted Bernadeau at RG? Don't freak out, let's just have some fun for a minute.

From what I understand Bernadeau is finally healthy, a year plus after his last surgery and was showing tremendous improvement, so much that if he had gotten the nod over Leary there wouldn't be much of a difference. Granted I'm glad they chose Leary because we are going with the youth movement on the O-line. I really don't know for certain if Martin will ever play tackle (Since he has alligator arms,) or if they are just getting him acclimated to playing at the Pro level by inserting him at guard his first year with hopes to slide him over in his second year. It just seems to me he'd still be an upgrade over Free right now but of course this is more theory than fact at the moment because we haven't seen him play tackle at the Pro level. The talent and strength seems to be there for the most part though.

The long term solution here is to draft a tackle in the first three rounds and be done with it. My guess is that we might insert a stop gap FA next year unless Parnell finally gets it together. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Parnell get injured and that's why he didn't look so good in preseason? At least not good enough for the coaches to give him the nod over Free. I know there is at least one fan around here in Parnell's corner but most on this board seem to believe he looked bad in the preseason and also regressed. I know Weems got hurt but he's still injured so he's out of the equation for now at least.

And lastly I heard T-Fred on sports radio yesterday say he excels at run blocking more than pass blocking because they ran the ball a great deal more then they passed the ball while he was at Wisconsin. He said he's still adjusting to pass blocking in the NFL as is Martin, naturally. Time is our friend and as of now it appears these guys are just getting better and better. Personally I want to see something between a 60/40 to 70/30 run to pass ratio from here on forward. We have the horses to run down other teams throats and quite frankly it's a team strength right now. It's also kept or spotty defense off the field with time of possession being in our favor. And finally with one last tweak to our O-line, it's a perfect setting to bring in a draft pick at QB to take over the reins and get us over the hump and back to winning 10+ games again, somebody in the first two rounds would be ideal.
In 2012 they rotated Parnell with Free in the final 4 games. Free started playing better and Parnell was as good as Free.

I don't know why Free played better because I didn't think he lacked effort, but it did help. I guess it improved his concentration. It would be the easiest change to make. Give Parnell a series in each half of a game and see how both he and Free respond.
 

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This is from 2012--average of ten highest paid at position:

10 highest-paid players at each position:

Avg. Salary Years Total Money
Left Tackle $8.1 million 6 $46.2 million
Left Guard $6.1 million 6 $34 million
R. Guard $5.4 million 6 $29.9 million
Center $5.0 million 5 $26 million
R.Tackle $5.0 million 4 $22.2 million

Source: http://sturminator.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-doug-free-being-paid-too-much-to.html

EDIT: Apologize for not knowing how to line up the table correctly. At any rate, although left tackles get paid more, right tackles do not.

I stand corrected
 
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