LINEBACKER OPTIONS? 3 of 5

[Vintage]

the San Diego LB corp leaves alot to be desired, Foley wasn't as good last year as he was in '04, they really only have Merriman back there, I'll give them that their 3-down lineman are pretty *** good though

but back to the original point, being a top 3 LB corp is pretty good, and behind 2 very good ones in Pitt and NE

Foley was a FA and left for Minnesota.

Donnie Edwards wasnt good last year? Shaun Phillips had a pretty good year as well. And even though Godfrey is slowing down, he's still a good LBer.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Donnie Edwards wasnt good last year?

he was so good last year that they were entertaining trade offers for him

Shaun Phillips had a pretty good year as well.

Phillips is still raw though and saw most of his time last year coming off the bench

And even though Godfrey is slowing down, he's still a good LBer.

Godfrey is average, if that, he's no more than adequate

I'm pretty sure Steve Foley is still a Charger

 

[junk]

Foley was a FA and left for Minnesota.

Donnie Edwards wasnt good last year? Shaun Phillips had a pretty good year as well. And even though Godfrey is slowing down, he's still a good LBer.

No, Foley didn't leave. Ben Leber did.

 

[Vintage]

I'd like to see Burnett and Ware at OLB in blitzing situations, long 3rd Downs, etc.

 

[Vintage]

No, Foley didn't leave. Ben Leber did.

Oh yeah...you are correct.

Thanks.

(And sorry for the mistake, lol)

 

[Vintage]

he was so good last year that they were entertaining trade offers for him

He had a good year. I suspect they were looking to trade him bec. of his age....or maybe the wanted more size, dunno.

Phillips is still raw though and saw most of his time last year coming off the bench

Agreed. But he still managed 7 sacks IIRC in that time. And he made strides forward.

Not to mention, they could bring him off the bench still, if they wanted to. Or he could possibly win out a starting spot opposite Merriman.

Phillips, Godfrey, Edwards, Foley, Merriman (just writing it down so I can think thru it for a second)...

I'm pretty sure Steve Foley is still a Charger

Yep, my mistake...I was thinking of Leber.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He had a good year. I suspect they were looking to trade him bec. of his age....or maybe the wanted more size, dunno.

it's because his play wasn't suitable for his contract

Agreed. But he still managed 7 sacks IIRC in that time. And he made strides forward.

he's still unproven

 

[Bob Sacamano]

and Troy Hambrick averaged 5.1 ypc coming off the bench, being a proven player means that you have success when teams prepare for you, teams don't prepare for a backup

 

[Vintage]

and Troy Hambrick averaged 5.1 ypc coming off the bench, being a proven player means that you have success when teams prepare for you, teams don't prepare for a backup

Did I say Phillips was proven though (I honestly cannot recall).

If I did, it was a mistake. Phillips made strides forward and played well last year (both of which are true). Now it doesnt necessarily mean he will have success as a starter (like you said....which I agree with).

But, if he is better suited as a role player, they have the option of moving back to Foley. (If Phillips were to win the battle).

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Did I say Phillips was proven though (I honestly cannot recall).

If I did, it was a mistake. Phillips made strides forward and played well last year (both of which are true). Now it doesnt necessarily mean he will have success as a starter (like you said....which I agree with).

But, if he is better suited as a role player, they have the option of moving back to Foley. (If Phillips were to win the battle).

I doubt if Foley would lose a battle against Phillips. Foley is a complete pass-rusher as a linebacker and a defensive end.

 

[cobra]

I'd like to see Burnett and Ware at OLB in blitzing situations, long 3rd Downs, etc.

Why would you want Burnett over Carpenter in blitzing situations?

Carpenter is an excellent blitzer.

Did you follow the draft? Did you miss all the talk about Carpenter's excellent rushing ability?

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My prediction for the LB corps Depth Chart:

ROLB - Ware, Burnett, Boiman
WILB - Ayodele, Burnett, Boiman
SILB - James, Fowler, Boiman
LOLB - Carpenter, Singleton, Boiman

That means Ware, Carpenter, Ayodele, James, Burnett, Singleton, Fowler, and Boiman make it.

I think we keep 9 linebackers on the active and one on the practice squad. And those two positions will be decided by Hoyte, Saldi or Parham.

I think Shanle is gone. And Horne.

 

[Vintage]

Why would you want Burnett over Carpenter in blitzing situations?

Carpenter is an excellent blitzer.

Did you follow the draft? Did you miss all the talk about Carpenter's excellent rushing ability?

No, I didn't miss it. I was present for it. (And backing Carpenter).

But Burnett's athleticism and speed need to be on the field. I am not saying Carpenter isn't good at blitzing or anything of that sort...

On obvious passing situations where we are blitzing, I think it would be a terror to have Ware and Burnett blitzing from the OLB spot with their size, speed, and athleticism.

JMO.

 

[cobra]

OLB spot with their size, speed, and athleticism.

Size?

Carpenter 6-3, 255
Burnett 6-2, 239

Speed?

Burnett 4.63 40 yard dash.
Carpenter 4.66 40 yard dash.

Athleticism?
Don't know how you are judging Burnett to be more athletic than Carpenter.

I hope Burnett is good. But Carpenter isn't some big slow white oaf that we drafted. He is as athletic (if not more, in my opinion) than Burnett.

I'd much rather have Carpenter out there all the time. Ideally, I'd like Burnett to be fresh legs to relieve Ware at that spot, but it looks like the coaches want him inside.

 

[Vintage]

Size?

Carpenter 6-3, 255
Burnett 6-2, 239

Speed?

Burnett 4.63 40 yard dash.
Carpenter 4.66 40 yard dash.

Athleticism?
Don't know how you are judging Burnett to be more athletic than Carpenter.

I hope Burnett is good. But Carpenter isn't some big slow white oaf that we drafted. He is as athletic (if not more, in my opinion) than Burnett.

I'd much rather have Carpenter out there all the time.

Where did I say Burnett was bigger than Carpenter? You took the quote out of its intended meaning.

40 Speed is almost irrelevant to me (even if Burnett tested out a little better). If we were going to play football in T-Shirts and Shorts and run 40 yard dashes, then I'd look upon it higher.

I like, in what little I saw, of Burnett and want to see him line up outside on blitzing situations opposite Ware.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Size?

Carpenter 6-3, 255
Burnett 6-2, 239

Speed?

Burnett 4.63 40 yard dash.
Carpenter 4.66 40 yard dash.

Athleticism?
Don't know how you are judging Burnett to be more athletic than Carpenter.

I hope Burnett is good. But Carpenter isn't some big slow white oaf that we drafted. He is as athletic (if not more, in my opinion) than Burnett.

I'd much rather have Carpenter out there all the time. Ideally, I'd like Burnett to be fresh legs to relieve Ware at that spot, but it looks like the coaches want him inside.

Nice read..:laugh1:

 

[RealCowboyfan]

No, I didn't miss it. I was present for it. (And backing Carpenter).

But Burnett's athleticism and speed need to be on the field. I am not saying Carpenter isn't good at blitzing or anything of that sort...

On obvious passing situations where we are blitzing, I think it would be a terror to have Ware and Burnett blitzing from the OLB spot with their size, speed, and athleticism.

JMO.

Naw for some plays it wouldn't be bad. But mainly I would like to see Carp and Ware.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where did I say Burnett was bigger than Carpenter? You took the quote out of its intended meaning.

40 Speed is almost irrelevant to me (even if Burnett tested out a little better). If we were going to play football in T-Shirts and Shorts and run 40 yard dashes, then I'd look upon it higher.

I like, in what little I saw, of Burnett and want to see him line up outside on blitzing situations opposite Ware.

Vintage, one NFL scout was raving about Carp's speed within 10 yards and explosion, actually rating him a better pass-rusher than Wimberly and Lawson, Burnett was never thought to be one of his draft classes' best pass-rushers like Carp is, and like I said before, Burnett is best suited to play weakside ILB in a 3-4 while Carp's natural position in the 3-4 is at strongside OLB

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Vintage, one NFL scout was raving about Carp's speed within 10 yards and explosion, actually rating him a better pass-rusher than Wimberly and Lawson, Burnett was never thought to be one of his draft classes' best pass-rushers like Carp is, and like I said before, Burnett is best suited to play weakside ILB in a 3-4 while Carp's natural position in the 3-4 is at strongside OLB

GOOD POINT.:starspin

 

[RealCowboyfan]

Why would you want Burnett over Carpenter in blitzing situations?

Carpenter is an excellent blitzer.

Did you follow the draft? Did you miss all the talk about Carpenter's excellent rushing ability?

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My prediction for the LB corps Depth Chart:

ROLB - Ware, Burnett, Boiman
WILB - Ayodele, Burnett, Boiman
SILB - James, Fowler, Boiman
LOLB - Carpenter, Singleton, Boiman

That means Ware, Carpenter, Ayodele, James, Burnett, Singleton, Fowler, and Boiman make it.

I think we keep 9 linebackers on the active and one on the practice squad. And those two positions will be decided by Hoyte, Saldi or Parham.

I think Shanle is gone. And Horne.

Let's just put it to rest with this. Carp was a first round. On many boards he was considered in the top 15 of the draft.

he was one of the elite linebackers in this years draft. For Wimbley and Lawson, guess what they are D-Ends being converted to a linebacker position. It ain't no sure thing that going to convert well.

 

[RealCowboyfan]

I wonder if the Cowboys will draft Ahmad Brooks in the suplemental draft.