Little Ball of Hate... JFE say TG is our best... WHAT?

[theogt]

Free advice: don't rely on anyone here to detect or expose stupidity.

I don't rely on it, but it happens from time to time.

 

[dargonking999]

Do you people argue with your wives over which one of your kids you love more? The clumsy one who drops everything or the one who sneezes and breaks a hip?

I dont have a wife. no matter how many times i ask her, she keeps saying no. Im starting to think she doesn't like me

 

[bbgun]

Well, this compliment was an obvious shot at TO, lol. Paying a compliment to downgrade someone else just cancels the compliment out.

These stat threads about this issue just remind of a line from the movie JFK, where they said, "government physicists have determined that a single shot made 7 wounds on different people at different angles. Those same physicists could also prove that an elephant can dangle from a cliff with his tail tied to a daisy." Sometimes common sense prevails.

You can twist the stats how you want to support any theory. But I think my eyes and other defensive coordinators know who is our #1 WR, lol.

Yes, this means so much coming from a guy with a TO sig. Jen hatred + TO idolatry: truly a toxic stew.

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Yes, this means so much coming from a guy with a TO sig. Jen hatred + TO idolatry: truly a toxic stew.

So I guess since Roger is retired and Laundry is gone, that makes you "unbaised".

LOL........yeah right.

Guess I get the rule now, no current players in your signature or you will be seen as baised towards that player.

OK thanks for the info. Now say something that actually helps your argument.

 

[FLcowboy]

If wish people would give Terry Glenn some freakin' credit. I hate JFE (no pun intended) as much as the next guy, but she's right here. So is KC Joyner. And this has nothing to do with statistics.

With both QBs last season, I cringed every time the ball was thrown to TO. If the ball was thrown at Glenn, no matter if it seemed to be within his reach or not, I got excited because I felt he'd find a way to make the catch.

I even remember one writer (not sure who) wrote an article last season and when TO dropped a pass that seemed difficult, but no one in the press box was sure whether to call it a drop or not. He said they looked at each other and said "Would Glenn have caught that?" To which the box responded "Yes." So they deemed it a drop.

I honestly hope TO has the most amazing year ever for a WR. I'm a Cowboys fan through and through and as long as TO wears a STAR on his helmet, I'll root for him. BUT, Glenn is a better receiver. He runs better routes and has better hands, arguably the best on the team. As for TO, he is good at what he does because when he gets the ball, he's impossible to bring down, BUT the man doesn't run crisp routes and has never been automatic catching the ball.

You make a good argument, but let's not forget that Parcells didn't want T.O., and didn't set the offense up to match T.O.s particular skills. While TG did a great job of getting deep, and open, T.O.s strength was catching the ball off the slant, and running after the catch.

I think Wade will ensure that both receiver's particular skills are utilized. Let's get over the hate, and accept the fact that T.O. is on the team, and could very well be the best receiver. He is more versatile than most receivers, and certainly has more to offer with respect to game planning than anybody else on the team.

 

[jobberone]

I'm glad to see TG getting his due. I'm not sure I'd say one was better than the other. I'd probably go with TO since he's getting the double teams. They're different receivers. I'll say both are #1 WRs which I'm sure some will object.

I'd love to see TO break more tackles this year. And obviously drop less balls. If he does that then there will be a significant difference between the two.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

I am no fan of TO at all, but I can't deny what he does on the field and what he does for this team, when playing. That said, I think Terry is a better WR. Terry is not as explosive or as physical as TO, no argument there.. however, Terry has better hands, runs better routes and makes some increadible catchs.. Here is the question to ask yourself, if you can answer honestly... its 4 and 2, 1 minute left in the game.. who do you trust more to make the play.. TO or Terry? I go with Terry 10 out of 10 times, no questions.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

A. Romo is better and will be better than Quinn.

B. It was a terrible. TO would have definitely dropped that pass without a doubt. There's not one pass I saw TO catch that I don't think Glenn could have caught. There's quite a few Glenn catches that I KNOW TO couldn't have caught.

Check the Jacksonvill and Carolina games last year .......he made high catches in both those games that TG does not make

Look TG is a great WR......yes, but not quite the Super Star T.O. is......let's get real Zoners.

 

[DallasEast]

Do you people argue with your wives over which one of your kids you love more? The clumsy one who drops everything or the one who sneezes and breaks a hip?

:laugh2:

 

[Stautner]

Someone tell me she is wrong here!

T.O. was our best at his worst..........:bang2:

I agree TO is our best WR, but try and stay within reason.

TG is NOT a star receiver, don't let me say it again.

You didn't have to say it the first time.

And while TG may not be a star receiver, he is at least close, and has had star type seasons in his career.

If wish people would give Terry Glenn some freakin' credit. I hate JFE (no pun intended) as much as the next guy, but she's right here. So is KC Joyner. And this has nothing to do with statistics.

With both QBs last season, I cringed every time the ball was thrown to TO. If the ball was thrown at Glenn, no matter if it seemed to be within his reach or not, I got excited because I felt he'd find a way to make the catch.

I even remember one writer (not sure who) wrote an article last season and when TO dropped a pass that seemed difficult, but no one in the press box was sure whether to call it a drop or not. He said they looked at each other and said "Would Glenn have caught that?" To which the box responded "Yes." So they deemed it a drop.

I honestly hope TO has the most amazing year ever for a WR. I'm a Cowboys fan through and through and as long as TO wears a STAR on his helmet, I'll root for him. BUT, Glenn is a better receiver. He runs better routes and has better hands, arguably the best on the team. As for TO, he is good at what he does because when he gets the ball, he's impossible to bring down, BUT the man doesn't run crisp routes and has never been automatic catching the ball.

I also cringed when TO was thrown the ball - at least on deep routes, but realistically you can't ignore the body of TO's work.

At least on the field he has consistantly been the better performer over the years and that hasn't changed.

Certainly there ar things Glenn does better and always will, but the overall package belongs to TO (again, speaking about ON FIELD performance).

 

[dboyz]

For my 2 cents I would take TO over TG, although this is no disservice to TG. TG runs excellent routes has great hands and has deep speed. However, he is a smaller receiver that lacks the size and strength of someone like TO.

I think about it this way. Both TO are deep threats and can make you pay if you don't keep a safety over the top. You can pretty much eliminate TG by keeping a safety over the top, however TO can still be effective even with a safety over the top.

 

[Stautner]

For my 2 cents I would take TO over TG, although this is no disservice to TG. TG runs excellent routes has great hands and has deep speed. However, he is a smaller receiver that lacks the size and strength of someone like TO.

I think about it this way. Both TO are deep threats and can make you pay if you don't keep a safety over the top. You can pretty much eliminate TG by keeping a safety over the top, however TO can still be effective even with a safety over the top.

I disagree with this - TG is not a one dimensional deep threat in the mold of Rocket Ismael - he is pretty well rounded. The biggest difference between him and TO is the size and strength, but that doesn't mean he isn't effective catching passes underneath, it only means he isn't as effective breaking tackles.

 

[zeromaster]

You ride Quinn any harder and he'll be a new daddy

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

 

[JonJon]

For you, CC...

http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89343


(Not that I agree with it)

You have to take into consideration that Glenn was our #2 receiver and didn't receive the same attention that Owens did. You can argue that the reason Glenn was so productive was BECAUSE of Owens being the player he is and drawing attention away from Glenn. Would we see the same results from Glenn if he were the #1 receiver and Crayton was in the slot or vice versa?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

You have to take into consideration that Glenn was our #2 receiver and didn't receive the same attention that Owens did. You can argue that the reason Glenn was so productive was BECAUSE of Owens being the player he is and drawing attention away from Glenn.

Except that Terry had an even better year in 2005 when all he had was Keyshawn.

 

[Stautner]

You have to take into consideration that Glenn was our #2 receiver and didn't receive the same attention that Owens did. You can argue that the reason Glenn was so productive was BECAUSE of Owens being the player he is and drawing attention away from Glenn. Would we see the same results from Glenn if he were the #1 receiver and Crayton was in the slot or vice versa?

You cannot argue that is THE reason that TG was so productive, however you can argue that it helped.

He did, after all, run the routes, catch the passes, make the moves, etc ....... TO didn't do those things for him.

Except that Terry had an even better year in 2005 when all he had was Keyshawn.

Good counter.

 

[dboyz]

I disagree with this - TG is not a one dimensional deep threat in the mold of Rocket Ismael - he is pretty well rounded. The biggest difference between him and TO is the size and strength, but that doesn't mean he isn't effective catching passes underneath, it only means he isn't as effective breaking tackles.

And also not as effective at getting off the line if he is in press coverage with a safety over the top.

I wouldn't say that he's one dimensional, he is pretty well rounded, but he is not the weapon that TO is. It's easier to take away Glenn that it is TO.

TO's stats were better than Glenn's last year and that was with TO dropping a number of passes.

 

[JonJon]

Except that Terry had an even better year in 2005 when all he had was Keyshawn.

He still was not the #1 receiver, and even though Keyshawn may not have had the abilities that Owens has, he was still a very servicable WR and demanded attention his way. Even during Glenns fabulous 2005 season, he was shut down and often frustrated when the defense focused their main attention his direction. He was not as successful when doubled or when a safety was over the top. However, he excelled when he drew one on one coverage or was matched up with the nickle CB in the slot. Owens draws double coverage and has a safety over top nearly all the time, yet managed to put up top numbers.

You cannot argue that is THE reason that TG was so productive, however you can argue that it helped.

He did, after all, run the routes, catch the passes, make the moves, etc ....... TO didn't do those things for him.

I didn't say it was THE reason, I said you could argue that reasoning, and it is a very valid argument. The question still remains: Would Glenn be as productive as the go to guy with a lesser WR playing the #2 role? Would he be as productive drawing the attention of a #1 reciever, being doubled play in and play out? Recent history indicates that he isn't as productive when double teamed, so he needs someone to take the pressure off and use his advantages against man on man coverages.

 

[jobberone]

After thinking about it awhile I do think TG was a little better last year. I'm not sure TO gets off the line better but he does have the potential to make big plays more often when double teamed. That's if he catches the ball after getting open.

TG is faster. Has better hands. Gets into and out of routes cleaner and faster and quicker. TO is bigger, breaks more tackles, can outmuscle defenders and is more explosive which I'm having a hard time putting into words. All that doesn't matter if he can't catch the ball. TO should be the better WR. And the difference IMO isn't much between the two.

If TO applies himself a little more and has less drops he should be better than TG. And that says a lot as TG is one of the best WRs in the NFL.

 

[arync]

he didn't drop that ball, that ball hit the ground and should have been incomplete