Live feed of the ruptured oil lines

[SaltwaterServr]

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_int...local_assets/bp_homepage/html/rov_stream.html

Kids, please behave in discussing this.

 

[Jon88]

These threads get hijacked. It's not my doing.

I don't want to look at it.

If this thread needs to be closed again, someone needs to be banned for a week.

I don't know what's going on. We've had threads like this closed repeatedly because of the same person.

He's crazy.

 

[rkell87]

i guess i dont understand why there is no way to temporarily plug those holes, did they drill that relief well yet?

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

 

[SaltwaterServr]

i guess i dont understand why there is no way to temporarily plug those holes, did they drill that relief well yet?

5000 feet down. That works out to over a ton of pressure per square inch.

To plug the well leaks you have to look at how much pressure is coming out of the holes in the various pipes. Now you have to have enough force to put something in the hole to stop it.

I was watching a clip a few days ago on one of the news sites. The guy who is supposedly the expert looked at one of those holes and said it was kicking out some outrageous number of gallons per day. They put it in terms that we can kind of get our heads around.

That one hole was pushing the equivalent of 7 fire hoses blowing full pressure.

Trying to plug that hole takes an greater amount of pressure to force a plug into it.

I admit I have no idea what technologies exist to plug undersea holes like this. I do know you just can't drive up an ROV and stick a plug into the pipe. The ROV's don't have the available thrust for leverage. Kinda like asking a 5 year old to put his thumb over a fire hose to stop it.

The idea for pumping concrete and heavy mud was being talked about the other day, but I haven't seen where they've tried it yet or not.

The relief well will be drilled. Matter of time and getting a rig that can operate in the conditions out there, that wasn't already being used on another site. I would venture that the prep work for dropping a new drill stem will be doubly tricky due to the masses of debris on the bottom at the location and the ability for currents to move the debris around.

Look at it this way. If the the well keeps gushing for another few months, we won't need dispersant. The first hurricanes will disperse the ever living **** out of it.

 

[rkell87]

5000 feet down. That works out to over a ton of pressure per square inch.

To plug the well leaks you have to look at how much pressure is coming out of the holes in the various pipes. Now you have to have enough force to put something in the hole to stop it.

I was watching a clip a few days ago on one of the news sites. The guy who is supposedly the expert looked at one of those holes and said it was kicking out some outrageous number of gallons per day. They put it in terms that we can kind of get our heads around.

That one hole was pushing the equivalent of 7 fire hoses blowing full pressure.

Trying to plug that hole takes an greater amount of pressure to force a plug into it.

I admit I have no idea what technologies exist to plug undersea holes like this. I do know you just can't drive up an ROV and stick a plug into the pipe. The ROV's don't have the available thrust for leverage. Kinda like asking a 5 year old to put his thumb over a fire hose to stop it.

just seems like guys smarter than you and i would have figured out something by now...or at least made an attempt to do something. maybe like a funnel pipe over the hole leading to the surface so you could maybe control a little bit of where it goes instead of just all in the ocean, maybe a long line of tankers just waiting to get loaded up with oil just any thing to keep it from dumping so much in the ocean till they figure out how to stop it

 

[SaltwaterServr]

just seems like guys smarter than you and i would have figured out something by now...or at least made an attempt to do something. maybe like a funnel pipe over the hole leading to the surface so you could maybe control a little bit of where it goes instead of just all in the ocean, maybe a long line of tankers just waiting to get loaded up with oil just any thing to keep it from dumping so much in the ocean till they figure out how to stop it

That's already been done. they worked the straw suction device into place. You have to see it somewhere. It looks like one of those coffee stirrer straws stuck into a Hoover Dam discharge pipe. It is however, pulling out a significant amount.

Thing is, I can't even begin to understand what's happening down there because I have yet to see a debris field survey or map of where the leaks are in relation to the well heads, lines that are leaking, etc.

They also tried to cap the "area" but it didn't work. Kind of like putting a dome over your water sprinkler, then pumping everything out from inside the dome as it collects.

 

[rkell87]

That's already been done. they worked the straw suction device into place. You have to see it somewhere. It looks like one of those coffee stirrer straws stuck into a Hoover Dam discharge pipe. It is however, pulling out a significant amount.

Thing is, I can't even begin to understand what's happening down there because I have yet to see a debris field survey or map of where the leaks are in relation to the well heads, lines that are leaking, etc.

They also tried to cap the "area" but it didn't work. Kind of like putting a dome over your water sprinkler, then pumping everything out from inside the dome as it collects.

cool didnt know that.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Just saw this on another forum. There's quite a few parallels between this spill and one about 30 years ago.

[youtube]GHmhxpQEGPo[/youtube]

And before anyone starts complaining, yes, it's MSNBC, blah blah. Just thought the info was interesting. If you want to avoid her opinion on the matter, skip the last 30 seconds to 1 minute or so.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Just saw this on another forum. There's quite a few parallels between this spill and one about 30 years ago.

[youtube]GHmhxpQEGPo[/youtube]

And before anyone starts complaining, yes, it's MSNBC, blah blah. Just thought the info was interesting. If you want to avoid her opinion on the matter, skip the last 30 seconds to 1 minute or so.

Ixtoc, to this day, still coats beaches across Texas with tar. Then again, the natural seeps in the GOM are massive as well.

 

[rkell87]

how in the world can she be sure that oil is the most profitable in the 'universe'

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

how in the world can she be sure that oil is the most profitable in the 'universe'

I guess it's possible that somewhere else in the universe, there are aliens with more profitable ventures.

She shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

I guess it's possible that somewhere else in the universe, there are aliens with more profitable ventures.

She shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.

LMAO....

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Just saw this on another forum. There's quite a few parallels between this spill and one about 30 years ago.

[youtube]GHmhxpQEGPo[/youtube]

And before anyone starts complaining, yes, it's MSNBC, blah blah. Just thought the info was interesting. If you want to avoid her opinion on the matter, skip the last 30 seconds to 1 minute or so.

Disclaimer: My following post is not an indictment against MSNBC or any group or person other than the Rachael Maddow show.

Her line of argumentation is flawed. It relies far too heavily anecdotal evidence. The fact that the solutions put forth did not work in two situations spaced 30 years apart does not mean they've never worked. In situations such as these, organizations have containment strategies whose effectiveness varies depending on the situation.

 

[JustDezIt]

yeah this thread is definitely gonna get locked

 

[rkell87]

I guess it's possible that somewhere else in the universe, there are aliens with more profitable ventures.

She shouldn't jump to conclusions like that.

thats what im sayin':laugh2:

 

[SaltwaterServr]

I was waiting for this, and hoped it wasn't going to be what it ended up being. Get that *** **** thing capped in any way possible, and get it done yesterday.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100527_hurricaneoutlook.html

An “active to extremely active” hurricane season is expected for the Atlantic Basin this year according to the seasonal outlook issued today by NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center – a division of the National Weather Service. As with every hurricane season, this outlook underscores the importance of having a hurricane preparedness plan in place.

Across the entire Atlantic Basin for the six-month season, which begins June 1, NOAA is projecting a 70 percent probability of the following ranges:

14 to 23 Named Storms (top winds of 39 mph or higher), including:
8 to 14 Hurricanes (top winds of 74 mph or higher), of which:
3 to 7 could be Major Hurricanes (Category 3, 4 or 5; winds of at least 111 mph)
“If this outlook holds true, this season could be one of the more active on record,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The greater likelihood of storms brings an increased risk of a landfall. In short, we urge everyone to be prepared.”

The outlook ranges exceed the seasonal average of 11 named storms, six hurricanes and two major hurricanes. Expected factors supporting this outlook are:

Upper atmospheric winds conducive for storms. Wind shear, which can tear apart storms, will be weaker since El Niño in the eastern Pacific has dissipated. Strong wind shear helped suppress storm development during the 2009 hurricane season.
Warm Atlantic Ocean water. Sea surface temperatures are expected to remain above average where storms often develop and move across the Atlantic. Record warm temperatures – up to four degrees Fahrenheit above average – are now present in this region.
High activity era continues. Since 1995, the tropical multi-decadal signal has brought favorable ocean and atmospheric conditions in sync, leading to more active hurricane seasons. Eight of the last 15 seasons rank in the top ten for the most named storms with 2005 in first place with 28 named storms.

Hurricane Noel, 2007.
High resolution (Credit: NOAA)
“The main uncertainty in this outlook is how much above normal the season will be. Whether or not we approach the high end of the predicted ranges depends partly on whether or not La Niña develops this summer,” said Gerry Bell, Ph.D., lead seasonal hurricane forecaster at NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center. “At present we are in a neutral state, but conditions are becoming increasingly favorable for La Niña to develop.”

"FEMA is working across the administration and with our state and local partners to ensure we're prepared for hurricane season," said FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate. "But we can only be as prepared as the public, so it's important that families and businesses in coastal communities take steps now to be ready. These include developing a communications plan, putting together a kit, and staying informed of the latest forecasts and local emergency plans. You can't control when a hurricane or other emergency may happen, but you can make sure you're ready."

The president recently designated May 23-29, 2010, as National Hurricane Preparedness Week. NOAA and FEMA encourage those living in hurricane-prone states to use this time to review their overall preparedness. More information on individual and family preparedness can be found at www.Ready.gov and www.hurricanes.gov/prepare.

NOAA scientists will continue to monitor evolving conditions in the tropics and will issue an updated hurricane outlook in early August, just prior to what is historically the peak period for hurricane activity.

NOAA’s mission is to understand and predict changes in the Earth's environment, from the depths of the ocean to the surface of the sun, and to conserve and manage our coastal and marine resources. Visit us on Facebook.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

Link to a scenario where a hurricane forms in the GOM with the leak still in place.

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=1492

 

[DallasCowpoke]

5000 feet down. That works out to over a ton of pressure per square inch.

It's actually over 8000' when you add on the additional 3000' plus before that rig hit T.D. (Total Depth).

 

[Maikeru-sama]

These threads get hijacked. It's not my doing.

I don't want to look at it.

If this thread needs to be closed again, someone needs to be banned for a week.

I don't know what's going on. We've had threads like this closed repeatedly because of the same person.

He's crazy.

:laugh2: