Livings/Bern

[RoyTheHammer]

Can we really expect much difference this year because of a rookie center? It's the same story with Jerry's guards. They're either banged up, not practicing, or recovering from offseason surgery. I'm done with em'!

Well im glad the coaching staff isn't.

I like how they are "Jerry's guards", too.

:laugh2:

 

[TheSport78]

Well im glad the coaching staff isn't.

I like how they are "Jerry's guards", too.

:laugh2:

Had to sneak that in there!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Had to sneak that in there!

It was very subtle.

 

[Risen Star]

Livings was rated the 16th best guard in the NFL.

If someone else has alternate ratings I'd love to see'em.

I don't need alternate rankings. Nate Livings sucks. So does Bernadeau.

No numbers crunching stat geek website needed, Mikey.

 

[Risen Star]

You worry about cohesion once you have talent.

The truth is this team's OL fully healthy and bonded like blood brothers sucked large last year and we needed a massive overhaul to change things. That hasn't happened, so I expect another year of inept line play as the franchise QB gets older.

 

[TheSport78]

You worry about cohesion once you have talent.

The truth is this team's OL fully healthy and bonded like blood brothers sucked large last year and we needed a massive overhaul to change things. That hasn't happened, so I expect another year of inept line play as the franchise QB gets older.

How would you feel if Dallas released Livings in the final cuts and relegated Bernadeau as a backup, swing guy?

Smith-Frederick-Costa-Leary-Free

Best case scenario for 2013 IMO.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How would you feel if Dallas released Livings in the final cuts and relegated Bernadeau as a backup, swing guy?

Smith-Frederick-Costa-Leary-Free

Best case scenario for 2013 IMO.

Don't let others' opinions change your own, brotha.

You had it right in #5.

 

[CF74]

What I would love to know is IF it came down to these three at RG, who is the best option?

Arkin, Costa, or Kowalski? I'm leaning towards Killer with Costa nipping at his heels...

I believe if Livings is still injured come game time then Leary gets the nod at LG because he's been there most of the OTA's with the 1's and likely will be there through camp...

 

[TheSport78]

Don't let others' opinions change your own, brotha.

You had it right in #5.

That's the question though: Would you rather have Costa at center or Livings at guard?

Personally, I think Costa has more upside and FITS Callahan's ZB scheme much better than Livings.

Peter Konz played guard in Atlanta for his rookie season and now he's projected to be their starting center. It's been done before.

Heck, Frederick can still make the line calls; Kosier did it at guard for a while.

 

[Risen Star]

How would you feel if Dallas released Livings in the final cuts and relegated Bernadeau as a backup, swing guy?

Smith-Frederick-Costa-Leary-Free

Best case scenario for 2013 IMO.

Agree to disagree.

The single biggest plus to this offseason was getting Costa off the field, IMO.

I don't think you'll be able to come up with 5 from this roster that looks good. You're looking for less bad.

Smith Livings Frederick Bernadeau Parnell is probably it for me.

 

[Risen Star]

That's the question though: Would you rather have Costa at center or Livings at guard?

I'd rather have Livings. He'd bad but compared to the rest not named Smith or Frederick, he's like a blue chipper.

 

[Risen Star]

The Cowboys don't give out their grades, but Broaddus has said that he's been told that they graded Bernadeau higher. He has mentioned that last year Livings struggled to pull which imo could be a big reason for the grade difference.

Despite his current injury status, they have said Livings lost weight and is in much better shape.

If you had 10 people rank the offensive linemen in the league, you'd have 10 different rankings.

That's why they don't mean anything.

 

[38 Special]

It's not about Costa "beating" him out it's about trying to get the best 5 on the field and if they feel for this year that Costa and Fred on the field at the sametime will put 2 of the best on the team out there why does it matter? Obviously has stated before Fred played OG just fine and Wisc and Costa is a smart player who knows how to get into position to block his guy so I don't see the problem.

Assuming Costa is one of the best 5 (and I've seen no evidendence of this myself), I still think Fred needs to stay at C.

Why jerk a rookie around in different positions? He needs to be getting every rep he can at C and worry about helping out at the other positions after another year or two. Asking a rookie to come in and start day 1 is hard enough, lets not make it any more difficult on the guy than it has to be.

 

[Echo9]

Might be better putting Costa at G in that case.

I think that Frederick might be better at guard than Costa by a larger amount than he would be better at center (if that makes any sense).

If Costa could play guard well enough, it would be the best solution though.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

That's the question though: Would you rather have Costa at center or Livings at guard?

Personally, I think Costa has more upside and FITS Callahan's ZB scheme much better than Livings.

Peter Konz played guard in Atlanta for his rookie season and now he's projected to be their starting center. It's been done before.

Heck, Frederick can still make the line calls; Kosier did it at guard for a while.

Honestly, whoever plays better. As of right now though.. Livings, all day. I don't want to move Fred from center though. If Costa plays well, let him compete for a guard spot. I'd like to see Leary and Kowalski get major consideration to start at RG this year.

 

[Eskimo]

How would you feel if Dallas released Livings in the final cuts and relegated Bernadeau as a backup, swing guy?

Smith-Frederick-Costa-Leary-Free

Best case scenario for 2013 IMO.

If Livings knee keeps acting up the best thing to do is give him an injury settlement and move on. Thankfully we didn't restructure his contract. He was a guy meant to be a 2-year stopgap so it isn't that big of a deal to release him a year early.

I think you have to choose the best unit of 5 in the end. I do think that Costa is likely one of those players and I don't know whether it makes sense to play him at Center or OG. I suspect Costa is a better OG than Center in most systems but there may be something about Callahan's system that makes him a poor fit at OG.

I suspect for this upcoming year that Costa will be the best Center on the roster. I'm just not sure how determined the staff is to keep Frederick at Center with the hopes that maybe he will be ahead of where Costa would be by the end of the year. I don't think that is quite the right way to do things. You need good consistent Center play at the beginning of the year and Costa is the most ready.

I would favor:

Tyron Leary Costa TFred Free/Parnell

 

[38 Special]

Honestly, whoever plays better. As of right now though.. Livings, all day. I don't want to move Fred from center though. If Costa plays well, let him compete for a guard spot. I'd like to see Leary and Kowalski get major consideration to start at RG this year.

Agreed. I'd much rather move the vet over to compete than a rookie trying to catch up with the speed of the NFL.

 

[speedkilz88]

If you had 10 people rank the offensive linemen in the league, you'd have 10 different rankings.

That's why they don't mean anything.

Their's means something, they pick the starters. They also know what the players responsibility was on the play. Everyone else is guessing.

 

[jjktkk]

Glad you brought a knife to a gun fight.

A plastic one at that.

 

[Thatkidbob]

What about Livings a year older with a chronic knee issue that keeps him in the training room? I would not take my chances with this guy. Callahan needs an athletic, pulling left guard that has youth and upside! Cough, Frederick, cough.

I've seen video of Frederick pulling... It wasn't pretty.

He's better suited to playing center, where his speed isn't an issue.